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Judgment is not always condemnation. every person that sits in front of a judge will be judged but not all will not be given the death sentence. every word will be judged. 1 Cor 3:13-15 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV another mistake some make while interpreting scripture is death is not always a condemning death, it is appointed that all die but not all will be condemned

every other Christians does do that, this is why we have denominations, and yes I agree it is a mess

Hello, fellow Christian: Scriptures talk about not giving babes meat. thus said one can not know everything there is to know about being Christian, regardless of how long, one has been a Christian. the Bible is read through my fleshly eyes a lot. But with study ,more Spiritual things are revealed. one reason the Bible is called the LIVING WORD, is that a verse I read yesterday may have a different meaning today, Not that the Word itself changes, but as I see it changes. so grow in the Lord. just be thankful God didn't make man the Judge who gets in or not. we are saved by grace through faith, not on our knowledge of His Word. that comes with maturity as we grow

to teach that doctrine divides and we don't need doctrine is doctrine within itself, you can't have No doctrine. so to say we have no doctrine is a lie, the one who preaches no doctrine is a lair. you want to sit under a Lair as teacher or Pastor, they have doctrine which is no doctrine. that's a FACT JACK

the question is not MOOT, scripture says it is given for Sound Doctrine, and it says in the end men will turn from sound doctrine such as many have said we don't need doctrine

James 5:13-16 13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. KJV one can have the gift of healing, but it is not them that heal, it is rather the Holy Spirit of God working through them. me and another Preacher was preaching at an outdoor market once. this young girl stated that she was facing brain surgery due to a tumor, I showed her James chapter 5:13-15, ask her to pray about letting us anoint her, she agreed to it, so we got the Oil out and prayed, she went for her surgery, however, the last test they did right before surgery, showed that it was a bruised spot, instead of a tumor, the surgery was canceled(PRAISE GOD). But as a state when I share James, note it says if they have committed sin it shall be forgiven, there will be a spiritual healing as well. I believe that God could allow someone to pray for you over the internet, If I didn't then All things could not be possible with God. However I would strongly suggest you find a Biblical Church and Do as scripture says. But pray for guidance in this matter, not all Churches that believe in healing are God, wew learn this from Jesus as he told some that had done great works in His name, to depart from Him HE NEVER KNEW THEM!!!

some verses have physical and spiritual meanings. Ps 112:6 6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance. KJV the righteous referring to spiritual, will be in everlasting remembrance, but as another responder said, this say God will remember forever, not the world

James 4:17 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. KJV

find a Greek Orthodox Church. ask this question, they will have an answer for you to consider

One light< I understand what you are saying and somewhat agree, but there was a Blind person in scripture, that according to Jesus would be an exception to your theory of sin and disabilities and of how God works. John 9:1-5 9 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. KJV not trying to blame God for anything here. just saying that many will say that God works this way, or God don't work that way, when in truth we can't know His ways, But must believe Him, no matter which way anyone is born : all things work to the good for those that love God and are called according to His purpose (Paraphrased)Roman 8:28

BUt You are missing the true vine aspect, our works are not our works, our righteousness is not our righteousness. we can do nothing unless we are already attached to the vine, we are counted righteous(but saved by grace) through faith and the Works come with that faith, not for that faith, we work out our salvation, not work for our salvation. it is the Works of Christ that then God saw the travail of His( Jesus' ) soul, He was satisfied, If He was satisfied, what can man do to add to that satisfaction. To say that works brings Salvation is to say that the works of Christ were not good enough, that He left something undone for man to do. your own reference is saying what I am saying WE will see their fruit, but faith produces that work, not that works produces faith. Least I boast, I can't say look at what I have done, But rather Jesus looked at what you did through Me. there were some in scripture that said But Jesus look at the great works WE DID in your name, and they didn't make it in. they took the glory, Abraham was already counted righteous before he offered up his son and His test proved/showed that righteousness( He showed his faith by his works) can faith save? without grace. we are saved by grace through faith, if James is saying what you have been taught that he is saying then works can save, so where is grace? Rom 3:26-28 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. KJV Rom 11:5-6 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. KJV no my friend we work because we are saved, not to get saved , and faith produces works( we can't have it unless we are one of His and empowered by Him unto a workmanship. works brings forth/shows faith but doesn't produce faith. peter walking on water showed His faith but that is not what saved him, for even though his faith and works allowed Him to walk on water, His faith was the thing that empowered Him to call upon the name of the Lord, and it was the Lord(grace) that saved Him. Peter works had got him into a spot that showed Him that he needed the Lord, as well as the law being a schoolmaster showing the Jews the needed grace as well. Plus His walking on water had nothing to do with if he was saved or not, for ten others were with him in the boat that is with him in heaven right now that didn't get out of the boat and walk on water. Abraham was counted justified by his works for it showed His faith, so we are saved by GRACE through faith, with faith producing works, can faith save? can works save? can faith and works save, can justification save? if so then it would not be of GRACE!!!! Gal 2:16-21 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. KJV

ok so if I am right on my interpretaion of EPH. and you are right on your interpretation of james then we do have a contradiction, which can't be so we are either both wrong or one is wrong and the other is right so to rightly divide we have to look further with scripture for the true interpretation not agree to disagree or not to continue to allow false doctrine to be preached : so I say this may help: Rom 4:1-11 4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: KJV Abraham was counted righteous before any works(before circumcision), Also we would look at our righteousness at it's very best would still leave us wanting. for our righteousness is as Filthy Rags we could also add romans 12:1 that we are to present our bodies a living sacrifice Holy and acceptable before God for Salvation, NO NO NO< but for what Paul said in romans 4 for the debt that God paid, for a Reasonable service, for what God has done not to get saved, remember we can't do anything unless we are attached to Him already. then works seals that what was done,, But please keep in Mind the works I do are because God has empowered me to do them, so He gets the Glory for my works not me receiving salvation because of them. WE are dead, no men tell no tales neither do they work any works, then God quickens us pays our Sin debt for the wages of Sin is death, so What God did through salvation by grace through faith produces works not is produced by works

that's why we have scripture, when scriptures says not to use tongues in church without an interpreter what is there to interpret about that, it is Grace through faith not of works, what is to interpret about that, women are not to have Authority over or to teach man, and to remain silent in Church I don't need someone telling me that God, Didn't mean what He said. For He is not the Author of confusion, He says what He means and means what He says, His yeas are yeas and nays nays. I don't need someone saying that the apostles were old fashioned and had no respect for women. yeah scriptures uses symbols some, where the Lamb in Heaven that opened the Book was Jesus the Holy Spirit, the offices given to the Church and the Spiritual gifts were for the Unity of the brethren, Not to say well MY Holy Spirit says this but it is ok if YOUR Holy Spirits different. You can put 10 people in a room and give them the same verse of scripture.You would probably get 10 different interpretations.As long as a person is line up with scripture you can not tell them that your interpretation is the only one that is right.In my opinion that is pride. faith without works< I went to a funeral the other day and saw a Body, it was a was dead body but still a body. faith without works is still faith, But saving faith will bring/produce works, those works are not what saves but rather shows that we are saved, you will know them by their fruit. a work would be to take care of your family, an atheist knows to take care of his family but that work will not save him. John 15:5 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. KJV you can't work unless you are in/attached to Him (one of His already) to start with so again I say, well it is not I that says it, but rather again let scripture say: Eph 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. KJV

Scripture will never contradict other scripture, if they are lined up with scripture, then there is no misinterpretation. how do you think false religions are started, they focus on one scripture or one set of scriptures, then make others scriptures wrap around that and build their doctrine, on that. you can't take one scripture and make anything, we are not to live by bread alone, but by every Word of God (paraphrase), that is why we are in such a division, within the Body of Christ, people look at one scripture and build something on that regardless of how many other scripture pertain to that thought, there is one denomination that takes one verse:Mark 16:16 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned KJV and wrap other verses around this and thus according to them if we are not WATER baptized then we are not saved,(SO God is limited To where He can save people, for there is no water to baptize in the Desert. However Jesus, John the Baptist and Paul taught another baptism. Acts 19:3-5 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. KJV maybe two to three scriptures says people spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Ghost, I can show you 6-8 verses where it doesn't say they spoke in tongues, but yet a whole denomination says speaking in tongues is THE evidence. here is just one for example: Acts 8:15-17 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. KJV now these two doctrines are in the Church/the Body of Christ, people lead and filled by the SAME SPIRIT, preaches these two doctrines when clearly they are not lined up with other verses of Scriptures. If one will take note they both condtradict each other, one says baptism is THE Evidence, the other says that speaking in tongues is THE evidence. both can not be right so both should not be allowed to be preached, someone somewhere should stand up and say this can't be done in the Church the BOdy of Christ. but the ones that speak against these false doctrines are the Bad guys in todays Church and Christian forums. which should be no surprise, for in the last days right will be wrong and wrong will be right and: 2 Tim 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. KJV there is an evidence given in scripture, but it is not baptism (a Work) nor Speaking in tongues(a gift) : Matt 7:20 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. KJV

that's why we have scripture, when scriptures says not to use tongues in church without an interpreter what is there to interpret about that, it is Grace through faith not of works, what is to interpret about that, women are not to have Authority over or to teach man, and to remain silent in Church I don't need someone telling me that God, Didn't mean what He said. For He is not the Author of confusion, He says what He means and means what He says, His yeas are yeas and nays nays. I don't need someone saying that the apostles were old fashioned and had no respect for women. yeah scriptures uses symbols some, where the Lamb in Heaven that opened the Book was Jesus the Holy Spirit, the offices given to the Church and the Spiritual gifts were for the Unity of the brethren, Not to say well MY Holy Spirit says this but it is ok if YOUR Holy Spirits different.

I simply must ask. What views do you mean? Someone may consider someone's views liberal, But they may not see their views as being liberal. I think she might mean things like homosexual marriages are ok etc. There have been an increase in that type of liberality which is against what the bible says. that is why we need Biblical truth, If the Baptist doctrine conflicts with the Methodist doctrine both can not be right, one could be right or both could be wrong, but if the Baptist can have their truth and we are not to teach or speak against that in here, then why can't the Homosexuals have their truth as well as the lairs having their truth. The Catholic believed that the church aught to teach one thing, although man had put their false doctrine in that belief, there was no confusion as what the catholic church taught. Scripture says that God speaks to a forward generation, in whom the children are of no faith, faith cometh by hearing, then what are the Children hearing, the Christian Church can't even come together in an agreement on what Gospel(or interpretation of that Gospel) we are to preach. the Children are hearing division of doctrine, translations, music, worship. but SSSSHHHHHH!!!! let's just agree to disagree while our Children become the generation of whom there is no faith, of course scripture says that without faith it is impossible to please God. But how do we know that we can't please Him without faith, for the Bible also says that women are not to have authority over man , we are not to use tongues in Church, without an interpreter, that water Baptism would be replaced with a Spiritual baptism and salvation by grace through faith, and not that of works, but whom am I to say the Bible is right and anything contrary to Bible is wrong.

Jesus is Lord and Saviour as well as our High Priest and King. the Saviour part comes by divine Grace, through faith the Lord part comes through maturity of our love/walk with Him , the problem is some want the Saviour part but still try to lead their life as they would have it. then on the other hand some try to put the cart before the horse and say we must obey first then the Saviour part comes. But Christ Himself said we can do nothing a part from him, We must be in Him and He in us before we can become His workmanship. now as the High priest we all fall short even after salvation, and stand in need of forgiveness. so we need both our High priest and our King, but salvation /forgiveness must come before obedience, work out our salvation is not work for our salvation, but the answer the opening post YES Jesus is the only way to the father.

well now I didn't say we were all Godly saints

well why we are on emotions, I find it unbelievable that one can tell if someone is mad or not, simply by the text they write. there is a zeal mentioned in the Bible that zeal is what drove Jesus the Clean out the Temple one day, was He driven by anger at the people or By His Love for the temple. If a man defends His home against a break in, Is he mad at the person or driven to protect His home. everyone must believe they are right about their faith in doctrinal issues, it is not anger that drives them to continue to debate, but compassion for what they believe, the problem begins when people claim to know your motives and your heart, and they don't even know you! most if not all the battles in the old testament was not driven by God being mad at someone but that someone standing in the way of where God wanted His people to be! and then when one is driven by love, and not anger, they are judged as a negative person, when it is the one judging that can't see the favorable emotion of Zeal but only sees the negative emotion of anger.

no it is not very true, there has to be truth, and someone has to have it, It can be found within scripture, but 49 different translations of that truth or 41,000 different interpretations of the truth will not lead us to that truth, either one of the said will only cause confusion and deception, the Church should not teach that women can preach and the same Church/body of Christ teach women can't preach. one part of the church can't teach works plus faith for salvation and the other part teach divine Grace through faith. one part can't teach the spiritual gifts are for today, while the other part teaches the spiritual gifts are works of the devil!! Again if we follow the teaching of Christ, let me remind you a house divided CAN NOT STAND

I am saved by grace through faith!!!!!! If I am wrong then I have a false faith/hope in my salvation, just as the saying goes if you are living like there is no God than you had better be right! If I believe that Christ paid it all, and I work because I am saved not to get saved, then I had better be right! I can not doubt my faith in my salvation. this is my point to the accusation that "I am right and you are wrong" This is a Christian thing to believe. We believe Christ is the only way, all else has to be the wrong way. I am right and you are wrong is not a bad way of thinking as this forum and people in this forum would have it. It is a way that is required for our faith! Now atheist believe they are right. as well as people who preach that we have to have water baptism believes they are right. that is why as with salvation all other spiritual issues should be hashed/worked out (with/through scriptures) by the leaders, the (scribes) lawyers of our faith and Let the Christian faith be ONE faith. to co-exist with all beliefs even within the Christian faith is a very dangerous teaching. faith cometh By hearing, how will they hear without a preacher. If this is scripture then just as important as preaching, would be What is being preached! If what is being preached is not important then why has God took precious time and space in His Word to warn against false prophets and teachers, ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism. So To simple put it, My faith will not let me think that I may be wrong!!!! And if we think that the Christian way be wrong then we shouldn't to content with it but rather we should be looking for the RIGHT way.

. see that is what our feeble minds bring it down to, it is not about me. Oh I was raised under a denomination, and just heard their doctrine preached, never confirming with the Word what was being preached, then I answered the call to preach and sought wisdom as hid treasure. But the Holy Spirit teaches us of all things, and if I see or understand something wrongly, from the Word. then the Word corrects, the Spirit corrects. And I am not saying that the problem lays with the Sheep, the problem is with the leaders that determine what is Church doctrine. we are born of the Spirit, and the Spirit of God is Not leading nor teaching contrary doctrine within the Church. when the Bible clearly says Not that of ourselves, not of works least we should boast. then it is not about me being right or wrong but if what the Bible says is right or wrong. and to tolerate 41, 000 different beliefs is to fall back under the problem that has always been with the people of God: everyone does what is right in their own eyes, and as far as me being wrong, I ask people that I see doing something contrary to scripture to how me from scripture, why they believe that they are right and most will respond "well I am being lead by the Spirit of God and He being God can do what He wants. WRONG the Holy Spirit being God will never contradict the Word of God, the Holy Spirit being God will never teach some faith plus works and to other teach faith through divine Grace!!!!! and neither should The Church preach gospels contrary to one another in the Church.

oh, I fully understand that some mature faster than others, and some may not ever grow much in Christ, But I am Addressing the OP, I would rather beat someone over the head with A bible Than to let them Burn. Now I wouldn't really beat someone with the Bible. However there has to be truth concerning all spiritual things, say as drinking wine, the Bishops can't have any wine, while a deacon can have a little wine, now if we preach as some do, that this is not fermented wine, then ok. but that means that a bishop can't ever drink grape juice!!! And the problem comes when you point this out and They still won't go with the truth, because what they have been taught, and with most we make scripture fit our denominational doctrines instead of making our denominational doctrines fit true Biblical doctrine. and Unity among the brethren is not to agree to disagree, we have to have truth, something has to be the right way or right thing. Now I don't have all the answers God is not done with me yet either. But we should be able to defend our faith from scriptures.

to accept that others will have different opinions on how we are saved is to accept that some will be deceived and will burn. Ok not all will be saved, but that doesn't mean we should be ok with it as to just sit back and do nothing. we are to preach the Gospel, if the Church can't agree on what the Gospel is, then what do we preach? scripture doesn't say to accept different gospels but let them that bring another gospel to be accursed, there is a whole denomination that preaches without water baptism, one can not be saved, there is another that preaches 7 sacraments is what saves us. so we tolerate other gospels within the Church. Salvation is not something that comes with spiritual maturity. it doesn't come with greater knowledge. Which Gospel that was to be preached was supposed to been settled in the 1500's with the Protestant Reformation. To believe that works plus faith should put those Churches back under Catholicism. But to believe that salvation comes through faith alone with divine Grace is considered to be a heretic by the Catholic Church. each side believe that they were right and the other side was wrong, and was even willing to die for their faith. But today we are taught not only to embrace the other side but to allow their teachings in the Church to deceive many. some of the saddest scriptures to me are the ones that tell about those that thought their works should be what gets them into heaven, But Jesus look at the great works we have done in your name. to preach against false teachings, makes me judgmental or tags me as "I am right and anything else is wrong" or if it even tags me as a heretic in 40,999 churches, then let it be: as long as I don't have the blood of some of those that are deceived on my hands when I get there, I can live with whatever you want to tag me. people say we must accept other doctrines within the Christian Churches, for all of us will have to get along with each other in Heaven one day! WILL WE??? Eph 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. KJV

I am the Way, the truth, THE TRUTH, is what Jesus said about himself. the understanding we can be divided and still all be right is the problem; truth does not come from different interpretations, there has to be ONE Way, One truth, and one Life, not many ways lead into the Father, No man cometh unto the Father But By ONE way. Not many truths will lead us to that path But ONE truth. Jesus Himself, Made Christianity Based On the Christian faith is right and the rest is wrong, Jesus Said if you love me Keep my commandments/ follow my teachings, how can one follow the teachings of Christ, if 41,000 disagree on what that teaching is? What kind of legal system would we have In the united states if we had 41,000 different interpretations of the Speed Limit, or 41,000 different definitions on what murder is? Is God going to open the Baptist book when all are judged or the Pentecostal books or so on and so on. we are all of the Same Spirit. we are all workmanship of Christ, So the Spirit tells 41,000 different groups what truth is, But that truth divides the groups? There are some that teach faith By grace, others teach faith plus works, scriptures says that even if an angel comes with another gospel, let them be accursed, which is not another gospel(for there is only One gospel(ONE WAY)) so two interpretations of the Gospel ; faith Plus works. or faith alone by Grace through faith, and not that of ourselves! Both can't be right so which one is taught in the 41,000 denominations? BOTH!!!! I mean forget if we are lead by the Spirit to speak in tongues or not, or if God will call a woman to pastor, or if we can drink wine or not. But If scriptures says there is only one gospel, will the Spirit of God teach two interpretations of that gospel? so now as with a non believer, are we to respect them enough to let them believe what they will, or we to love them enough not to let them play in the road to destruction, and show them the way to life everlasting. so if we have to agree to disagree on the plan of salvation( to keep peace among the brethren and our Christian forums), that Christ paid it all or that He left just a little for us to pay through works. shouldn't we at least agree which interpretation of the Gospel the Church is to preach? and if there is One Gospel shouldn't we be concerned for those that have a false interpretation of that Gospel? No I believe I have the Only way to the Father, I with all my heart believe that I must defend that belief with all my heart. now when we can come to agreement on which interpretation of the Gospel the Church should preach then maybe we can work on some of the other little divisions of the Body of Christ/The Church! Eph 4:1-5 4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, KJV