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Matt 27:57-62 57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple: 58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. 59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed. 61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre. 62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, KJV again I remind you that the Jewish day started at 6pm. Verse 57 "so when even come: was that before 6 the same day of after 6 which would be the next day??????

Zech 5:9 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. KJV

My advice would depend on you or better yet the type of person you are. So only you can answer your own concerns here. If you are the type that feels it is important to defend what you believe, then my advise would be: yes it would be wrong for you to stay at the Catholic Church. Because you will only cause strife By being there. Another question I would have to ask I may have missed it in the OP, but do you feel Catholics are saved, or borned of God? if not then run as fast as you can away from there. If you the type that has a compassion for lost souls, run also, for when they start teaching the 7 sacraments for salvation, you are not going to sit quietly by. so if you can quietly sit there with all the wrong you feel going on then stay, but I have a question to answer your question, why are you in here seeking any other advise other than God's, Seek Him. you said you were of the Pentecostal belief, allow the Holy Spirit to guide and teach you in all things, I think by you coming in here, you are wanting someone to tell you yes it is ok, but inwardly you know it would be wrong, you are so hurt by this other Church, this would be your way of getting back by supporting something that there don't believe in. But let me remind you: Matt 5:43-44 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; KJV

the Samaritans once took over the Jewish temple, and they sacrificed pigs on the altar of the Jewish temple. Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (the two sons of Joseph (son of Jacob)) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi,[4] who have links to ancient Samaria from the period of their entry into the land of Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the Samaritan polity of Baba Rabba. Samaritans used to include a line of Benjamin tribe, but it went extinct during the decline period of the Samaritan demographics. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Samaritan)

I believe another question that would go hand in hand with this is: can a women rape a man>???? regardless of what someone would say, I believe that a woman walking around topless would be opening herself to all kind of sexual advancements. it would be to me like all the people with tattoos and body piercings( not saying there's anything wrong with them) But, then when you stare at them, it's like what are you staring at, well didn't you do all that to get noticed. so If a lady wanted to get noticed by exposing her breast would she take offense if someone stared at her?? and then of course we may have to fall back under the laws of the land on this One. is it ok for a man to get aroused when they see a topless woman, it is natural with our sin nature. but is it wrong for a woman to get aroused when seeing a topless male with all His abs and muscles showing?

Hello Spock beam me up Scotty Can you tell me how you decide which things the Bible presents are valid for today ? with all logic we can be sure of that from the Vulcan.

1 Cor 14:34 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. KJV Spock: note here that Old testament is old testament, But Paul said as Also saith the law. He is in agreement with the law. now we are no longer under the law, But it would be still be good not to kill. not to bear false witness and so on. To Him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin, so as the law says not to kill we accept that as something good to do "not to kill" as well as Paul is saying they agree with the law that it is good women be under obedience, as the church is under obedience to Christ.

actually the Bible don't say what day He arose, it does say that the women went to the tomb on the first day of the week, but He was already gone. so at best it is an assumption that He arose on Sunday which was the first day of the week, It doesn't say what day He was put in the tomb.it was before the Sabbath or on the Sabbath. he just couldn't be on the cross on the Sabbath, ( keeping in mind the Jewish days started a 6 at night so the Sabbath would be from 6 pm to 6pm the next day) also you need to factor that this was the week that the Passover was suppose to be, Holy days such as Passover were also called Sabbaths, so did they have the Passover on Friday before the seventh day Sabbath ( Saturday) or did the Passover Sabbath fall on the seventh day Sabbath.

How God love us so much that He gave His only begotten Son, that we might have life.

What do you do with the Judgment Seat of Christ unto believers and Paul's expectation of running the race forreward? our works are tried by fire 1 cor. our bad works are burned up, our good work brought forth as a reward, But the man Himself is saved, regardless of his works. we are saved by grace through faith, and not that of ourselves. Our reward will be as jewels in our crown and then we will place this crown at His feet. Rev 4:10-11 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. KJV. didn't paul say that only one won the race, are you saying that only one will receive a reward, in heaven or only one will get to heaven????? 1 Cor 15:2828 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. NKJV this is the Oneness aspect of reward into eternal state being in perfect harmony to the Glory of God Who 'IS' One... I get all funny inwardly in the thought I will be there despite me because of Him Who delivers-> 'then Jesus' takes all this glory we have in Him and presents all this unto The Father. As in Their councils from eternity past we began in Their thoughts-> now we in that thought realized enter with Them in Their eternal councils... Wow all that entails will fill each of us as They have always known so now we will know! Love, Steven I don't see what this has to do with the thread, we got someone bragging that they earn glory, when we are to give all the Glory to the One God, three beings that make up that one God, Jesus Himself prayed Father glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify You. I thought we were to stay with the thought of each thread? The Son is the Glory of the Father:Rev 21:23 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. KJV

What do you do with the Judgment Seat of Christ unto believers and Paul's expectation of running the race forreward? our works are tried by fire 1 cor. our bad works are burned up, our good work brought forth as a reward, But the man Himself is saved, regardless of his works. we are saved by grace through faith, and not that of ourselves. Our reward will be as jewels in our crown and then we will place this crown at His feet. Rev 4:10-11 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. KJV. didn't paul say that only one won the race, are you saying that only one will receive a reward, in heaven or only one will get to heaven?????

Pride is the only thing that leads one to think they have earned anything spiritually, Jesus Taught the He was the true Vine, and the Branch can't do anything unless it is attached to the Vine. For all the Glory if any that I achieve, Belongs to Jesus. sure scriptures says that we must overcome, But it also tells us who are the ones that overcome: 1 John 5:5 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? KJV and it also tells us how we overcome: 1 John 4:4 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. KJV we only overcome because we are His, and he dwells in us. so angels4u I hate to bust your bubble, all believers have overcome, you not that super natural. it is God that is in you that should be getting the Credit, and you should be giving God the glory, instead of patting yourself on the back.

I agree that it is about relationship and outward change of an inward occurrence!If tongues were utilized in accordance with Biblical regulations set forth upon them there would be 'NO' issues with them! Love, Steven there would still be an issue for many believe the gifts ceased with the 12 Apostles, they over look the fact that Saul/Paul was the thirteen Apostle. and gifts were misused even n the Bible days, the very reason Paul had to teach how there were suppose to be used.

good point, what ever thread it should be posted in

JohnDB. The gifts were misused in the Bible days and will be misused in today's times. many Christian Churches have allowed Jewish teachers to come in to their churches and teach, I have no problem with Jewish people teaching, on the most part all know scripture really well, But the problem in this area is that they teach we must observe the Feast days and By doing so, they put the ones that follow their teachings, back under the law. Back to the gifts they were misused in the Bible days, but this didn't mean that there was not Godly inspired gifts given in the Bible days neither would it prove yeah or nay for gifts in today's church. salvation is a gift, the Holy Ghost is referenced in scriptures as a gift from the Father, why is it so hard for many to accept that the Spiritual gifts were given to empower and edify the Body of Christ, take the 5 offices God gave the Church, Apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers, Most Churches have taken from the Church and said we don't need these offices, of Apostles and prophets, But scriptures says these offices were given: Eph 4:12-13 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: KJV Do the saints not need perfecting anymore, is there still works within the ministry, does the Body of Christ not need edifying anymore, Have we all come to the unity of faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, have we reached our perfection, then why would some teach that we don't need ALL that God has given. same with Spiritual gifts it's like saying ok God I know you know best, But I don't need your gifts, I can do it on my own, I don't need all the offices that you ordained for My church, If we don't need the Gifts do we need the Holy Ghost????? Col 2:16 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday(feast days), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: KJV we do celebrate the Passover we just call it Easter, when the Blood was Shed to cover the curse

gdemoss, thank you for your post, however, The mention of unknown tongue or angel tongues in scriptures, is not simply a new tongue or cleaner tongue, But I will come together with You and praise the Lord for your new tongue. as we pray as well. that you walk in the newness, And allow the old man to die daily.

SHOULD A BAPTIST CHURCH EMBRACE PENTECOSTALISM? WHAT IS WRONG WITH PENTECOSTALISM? We could mention many things that are wrong with Pentecostalism. We could mention the divisiveness it seems to bring in a church. We could mention the circus-like atmosphere it creates in the worship services. But here we want to look at only four of the outstanding errors of this heresy of Pentecostalism. First Pentecostalism seeks to apply to our day what belonged only to the apostles and their day. Pentecostals teach that those extraordinary gifts given by the Lord to the apostles and others in New Testament times are intended for Christians in every age. Distributed by THE HISTORIC BAPTIST P. O. BOX741 BLOOMFIELD NM 87413 http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Laurence%20Justice/embrace_pentecostalism.htm This is according to this Baptist website, Not Me, I do not hold to this Baptist Doctrine.

so in other word you can't explain the Knowledge vanishing so we ignore it, if what ever "the perfect one comes" means has already happened as Most Baptist preach, and tongues has ceased then knowledge has vanished, which can't be for Biblical knowledge is to know good and evil, right and wrong. and if Knowledge hasn't vanished then tongues hasn't ceased and if knowledge has vanished we wouldn't know if it is good to speak tongues or not I am not ignoring anything. I do not believe tongues have ceased according to 1 Cor 13. I have explained the text you refer to in detail and I have shown why it is not relevant to what I am saying and why it does not (or should not) form part of the cessationist argument. The whole point of what Paul is saying is that these gifts are temporary, and will eventaully pass away, but gifts like love will endure, so long for that enduring gift, and not the passing ones - I can do no more in regards to this straw-man I am afraid. Also, I have asked you cite sources for your claims of what baptist's teach, none has been forthcoming! The reason I am challenging this is because I am a baptist, and I don't teach what you say, and further more no particular baptists do as far as I can tell. The idea that 'baptists' all hold to a single uniform theology seems to be somewhat of an oxymoron to me - we baptists have always been a diverse bunch my friend, some are pelagian, some semi, some Arminian, some Amyraldian some are Calvinists, some are hyper Calvinists, we have different views on the ends days, and so the list goes on - so maybe we have different views on the gifts as well - which is why it is best to let another speak and address the arguments they are making, not the ones we would like them to make because we have heard them before and we have an answer for that one already The simple fact is my friend, that as I see it the onus of proof is not on the cessationist camp, but on the continuationist camp. History demonstrates that tongues have ceased (at least for periods in history), historic theology demonstrates that the vast majority of Bible believing Christians have not viewed tongues as being a gift for their own day, and the biblical gift of tongues (human languages) is not what we usually see today, rather what we usually see is exactly what Paul was trying to stop happening in Corinth (people thinking the spectactular gifts were more important then the mundane [the purposes of 1 Cor 13] and everyone was at it with no order, which is what 1 Cor 14 is all about.) Indeed what we see to day is the 'gift' taking to an extreme beyond that which was happening in Corinth. Hence I am not a cessationist by tradition or mere conviction - but by evidence (biblical and historic) - I am open to be convinced that tongues continue today, but to be convinced I need to see some contradictory evidence that demonstrates: 1) It is the same gift as detailed in the Bible (Acts 2 being the only text that contains such detail) 2) Serve a revelatory and sign purpose (as tongues did in the early church)(Acts 2, 1 Cor 12-14) 3) Is being demonstrated in line with Paul's didactic teaching on the subject (1 Cor 12-14) 4) It is a gift for the church (not just individual or individual congregations) (Acts 2, 1 Cor 12-14) Anything that cannot address and satisfy all those criteria is not the biblical gift of tongues. Now, to be fair, my level of evidence may be faulty, and that is open for challenge. Too often today though positions are defendedg not by making a positive case for them, but by merely seeking to disprove the oppositions case by any means possible, as if proving your opponent wrong must mean you are right. Now that is relatively easy to do (any old unskilled labourer can destroy in seconds what it took skilled builders years to build). However such a negative argument, does not in reality make a case. As Christians we are called to be edifiers, we are supposed to be building each other up. So, my friend, make your case if you wish to do so Again sir I will have to say that, you are in vain if you think all my post are about you. You for some reason have taken all I said personally, this is an open forum, and obviously you are not even reading my post, For I have said that I know some Baptist that believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and the Gifts that come with Holy Spirit. So I have never said" now someone else has accused me of not letting you say what you believe, so please feel free to respond to these questions: are you saying that the Baptist in whole does not hold to the doctrine that tongues mentioned in scriptures is not unknown nor Angels tongues but rather simply a Foreign language. And also Most Baptist Hold to the doctrine that I cor. 13 stating that "tongues will cease" occurred with the cannon of scriptures. Saying that "the perfect one" referring from scripture declaring when these temporal gifts will cease, is the cannon of scriptures. So if one group hold on to these 2 doctrines, then as others have pointed out, that both doctrines can not be true for if tongues are simply a foreign language, then to say that this gift of tongues has ceased with the cannon of scriptures, would to be to say we are all under the same language as before the Towel of Babel. so seeing that these are open forums, and I haven't figured out how to stop someone from posting their view as I have been accused concerning you. which doctrine do you hold as your doctrine. 8. What is the SBC’s official view of "speaking in tongues" and other "charismatic" gifts? There is no official SBC view or stance on the issue. If you polled SBC churches across the nation on the topic of "charismatic" practices you would likely find a variety of perspectives. Probably most believe that the "gift of tongues" as described in the Bible ceased upon the completion of the Bible. Some may view speaking in tongues as a spiritual gift given to some Christians enabling them to communicate the Gospel to foreign cultures in a language the speaker had not known previously. A very small minority might accept what is commonly practiced today in charismatic churches as valid. http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/faqs.asp#8 as the poll above show, For most Baptist tongues ceased with the Bible( cannon of scriptures and the are the ability to speak or understand a foreign language that the speaker had not previously known.

Jude 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

so in other word you can't explain the Knowledge vanishing so we ignore it, if what ever "the perfect one comes" means has already happened as Most Baptist preach, and tongues has ceased then knowledge has vanished, which can't be for Biblical knowledge is to know good and evil, right and wrong. and if Knowledge hasn't vanished then tongues hasn't ceased and if knowledge has vanished we wouldn't know if it is good to speak tongues or not I have a question..... instead of telling us what Baptists preach, why don't we just listen and comment to what Reformed is writing... I really don't understand your approach here... well first I didn't know this was all about Reformed, I thought it was an open forum about "tongues evidence". my post are available for both sides to read. I have Not personal addressed Reformed in any way, and said this is the way you believe, only have I address Reformed as the Reformed Baptist(he is the one that has openly put the Baptist tag on himself), and several times have I said this is the way most Baptist believe, I being Baptist myself, know that some Baptist believe in the baptism That Jesus, John the Baptist and paul taught about in scriptures, and the Spiritual gifts that comes with that Baptism. It is hard at times to tell with the forum who is saying what, My first response was to a post that had said that tongue had ceased, I was addressing the issue of the Post, I think it was Reformed was the one that said the perfect one don't mean perfect, and couldn't mean a person, when That is all that it can mean, for only When Jesus returns and we then being in our fullness will knowledge vanish as it was in the garden before knowledge was with man. and started addressing the tongues part of said reference verse. and he did just focus on the tongue even after I pointed out The knowledge mentioned in the very same verse, He boasted on His study of scripture, so I looked for an answer of when knowledge vanished, which has been avoided and all this is now, is how I have attacked Reformed. I don't know Reformed Baptist personally, and have nothing against him to me this is about true doctrine of what the Bible teaches on "tongue evidence" I did listen to Reformed when he said that perfect don't mean perfect, and this is our first step to entering into false doctrine, when we say the Bible don't mean what it says. can we get back to the topic of the post now as I open my question to All that believe that tongues has ceased according to 1 cor. 13. Please tell me when Knowledge vanished? Merry Christmas all!!! Jude 17-20 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, KJV

After being here for over ten years now might I suggest that it works best when you just ignore some folks. Post your thoughts and let the rest of us decide. We're not all close minded. If some are not closed minded, then knowledge has not vanished, if knowledge has not vanished then "when the perfect comes" could not have happened yet and tongues aren't ceased Yet.

so in other word you can't explain the Knowledge vanishing so we ignore it, if what ever "the perfect one comes" means has already happened as Most Baptist preach, and tongues has ceased then knowledge has vanished, which can't be for Biblical knowledge is to know good and evil, right and wrong. and if Knowledge hasn't vanished then tongues hasn't ceased and if knowledge has vanished we wouldn't know if it is good to speak tongues or not

Thank you for letting me know that you are educated in scriptures, But the foolishness of God confines the wise. The Baptist doctrine and yours is that tongues were not unknown or Angel tongues but rather other known languages. the Baptist preach that tongues has ceased, if tongues are not unknown then your conclusion of the matter can only be that we all speak the same language as before the tower, or we quit speaking altogether in any language, so this has not happened yet, so at least we should be able to agree that the Baptist is wrong as tongues shall cease is not a past event, but yet a future one still, you can't have your cake and eat it too, so as educated as you are and I love the way people say well perfect one "DON"T mean what is says. then can't you at least open your eyes and see that if tongues were only other languages then we can't preach that they have already ceased. and thank you for proving my point, again all your focus is on tongues if tongues has ceased please explain when knowledge vanished !

- but really I see no other way for taking it - as such it is straw man and a caricature and that needed to be spelled out. when the scriptures says tongues will cease, is when the perfect one comes( and that ain't happen yet), this is not meaning the cannon of scripture as we Baptist have been taught. we can prove that within the very verses that says tongues will cease if you will open your eyes to scripture, not to what you have been taught. look at the text carefully 1 Cor 13:8-13 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. KJV You focus on the tongues ceasing and prophecies failing, for that is what you want to see, but look "whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish. same verse same thought as your tongues ceasing, the Cannon of scriptures did not make knowledge vanish, but just the opposite, for with the cannon of scriptures, knowledge increased. so when do other scriptures teach that knowledge will vanish, when He< Jesus Christ the righteous One, the perfect one comes, and before you go there as most Baptist do, this coming is not referring to His first coming, as a babe. For if it does then we have to discredit Most of scriptures after Pentecost, for if tongues ceased at His first coming, all prophecy and tongues after that would not be of God. and this could contradict Joel's prophecy which Peter preached at Pentecost, after this I will pour out my spirit on all people. your servants and maidens will Prophesy, hey while we are here, this also would prove that our Baptist doctrine that the Gifts were just for the original Apostles is a false doctrine, unless you can prove that one some of the original Apostles were actually handmaidens: Acts 2:18 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: KJV

Jesus said That His Father's house was a House of Prayer, Jesus read scriptures in the temple, Paul and other Apostles taught in the temple. So my answer to the OP would be NO! No not just a vessel of Worship, but rather a willingly clean vessel. If you want to know what the scriptures means read the whole content of said scripture, usually we can find that within three verses before and three verses after the scripture in question. I believe the content of your verse would be more about Holiness than worship. Rom 12:1-2 12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. KJV