Bible_Gazer

Revelation 12:14-17 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. According to these scriptures the woman is good, she has children(man child) keeping the commandments of God. This happens at a later time, after 3 1/2 times.

Its more likely that the city is group system more than a natural city. consider The Lamb's wife is a city. Rev.21:9-11...

I have read that some thinks that after Rev. chapter 5 everything is future, after the rapture. so chapter 12 would be all future then The child could not be Jesus because has already came. or a war in heaven for Satan to fall from still in the future ? So we will be up there together with Satan after the rapture is done ? Who wants to go to heaven if the Devil is up there with you. Its suppose to a lovely place waiting for us right ? If Rev.12 woman is Israel - have they not already been in the wilderness during the dark ages, scattered all over the place ? Seem like if we read it this way - The Devil did go after her and persecuted her thru the time by the Catholics, Germany, Russia, Spain, Muslims, .... The moon - consider -the Old Testament Laws was a foundation to bring them to Christ. The sun - the better promises - Jesus is the sun or son.

Dan.2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Seem to read that God will have a natural Kingdom before the last Metalic kingdoms(The Iron and clay) is destroyed. They seem to come against the Beast by condemning it. So his Kingdom would be the church converted Jews. As we read in Ezek.36 he will restore the land Israel in a great way, including converting Jews to Christ. And deal with Gog and Magog Ezek.39. Which I think is the same group of the Iron and Clay kingdom.

So the Ten Kings are going to give power to Jerusalem which will be as the market place for the world to enjoy for awhile ? It will be the trading hub for the world ? And then the Ten kings burn her with fire ? But before that he makes a call "come out of her my people" ? I guess Ezek. 36 comes after that ? 7th trumpets come and finishes off the Ten Kings ? or Jesus on the White horse and his armies to save Jerusalem ? Maybe there is more than ten righteous people there to spare the city ?

So God's Kingdom people won't do anything toward the enemies ?

So how is the kingdom of God on earth going to break in pieces and consume the Metalic Image(Muslim World ??) by Military(Crusaders) or is it by conversions ? When will God's Kingdom do this ?

If the fiery Hell pit exist in the earth, does is last forever here ? Rev.21 Seem to read that God and the Holy City will be coming down on Earth at the end of the next 1,000 years dispensation. Then will this Holy condition and Hell co-exist here on the same planet ? Good people on top - and bad people below, we are all together just a few feet away from each other forever ?

I thought if this Melchizedek was another person other than the Jesus, then why would God not choose him and create a family from him for he was righteous man. He was a priest for somebody, what about them ? When I read this story about Abraham it seem there was no one else was serving the true God until Abram was converted at that time. Even Shem must have fallen.

I also think it was Jesus. He was a priest then, now he is a perfect high priest.- Heb.4-5

Is there anything wrong in having knowledge of good and evil ? She disobeyed for reaching out and took of it, that's the part that was wrong, for in her heart she trusted someone else. knowledge is tempting for some people, right ? Just pondering Oh, I really don't think the 2 trees were literal trees but a different type of tree(a living personality type)

Revelation 11:15-19 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. so at this time there are nations that has been converted to Christ 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, - those not converted and thy wrath is come, - to destroy them with the vial later and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,- a resurrection and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; - blessed the saints with rewards and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.- destroy them who causes troubles and death 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven,and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. - Final Judgment coming on unconverted people. compare this last verse to the 7th vial statement . something to consider

If you are talking about a body like the angels I think so. You will be of a different class of angels(the Bride members) 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 2 Peter 1:14 14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. Having a heavenly body is one thing, but we are not angels, as in a different class of angels. The differences between angels and humans are too vast to even consider the idea. Becoming an angle is one of the false teachings being taught to us as kids through, in my lifetime, cartoons, of people dying, then the next time you see the person, they are sitting on a cloud with wings and a harp. I think the only thing different between man and an angel is their body. God will knows who are Angels from heaven and he will know who was of mankind, no big deal for me. There are far more differences then just a body. Were angels formed from the dust? Did angels have have the life breathed into them? Do men walk among the alter of God and be sent from His throne with messages to the world? Do angels have spouses and procreate? I could keep going, but I hope this is enough to have you take a second look and not just skim over the idea. Yes I know the details of the differences between man and Angels like some what you wrote here. I was just referring to the body only. I think angels have a soul, spirit. Angel are a living being so life was given to them. I am not convinced that this is true. The only people we read that will be with Christ in the millennium are those who were beheaded during the tribulation and the 144,000 who go everywhere the Lamb goes. There is no mention of all believers ruling during that times, unless I seriously missed something. Can you provide scripture that tells us we will reign during the millennium? Rev.1:6 we be kings and Priest Rev.2:26-28 rule with rod of iron Rev.3:21 overcomers on the throne Rev.20:4 those on the throne reign with Christ 1,000 years Where in scripture does it say the angel in Revelation was a human, died and is now in heaven as an angel? Rev.19:10 This angel is a brethren to John and was a prophet. So this person is already there giving John the message. So this person must have died to get there. Revelation 5:8 speaks about the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders. There is no indication who the 24 elders are or if they ever alive on this earth. People try to say they were, but do a search in scripture. Who they are is not clarified. These four beasts and 24 elders came from humanity. Rev.5:9 redeemed from every kindred and tongues and people and nation As for the harps, yes, they will be harps, but not as portrayed in the cartoon, but for worshiping God. Have you ever seen the cartoons I am referring to? Yes I know what you were saying and I don't believe that either. I answered back in Red

If you are talking about a body like the angels I think so. You will be of a different class of angels(the Bride members) 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 2 Peter 1:14 14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. Having a heavenly body is one thing, but we are not angels, as in a different class of angels. The differences between angels and humans are too vast to even consider the idea. Becoming an angle is one of the false teachings being taught to us as kids through, in my lifetime, cartoons, of people dying, then the next time you see the person, they are sitting on a cloud with wings and a harp. I think the only thing different between man and an angel is their body. God will knows who are Angels from heaven and he will know who was of mankind, no big deal for me. The people who make it to heaven are going to ruling with Christ with the rod of Iron, they are Kings and Priests. So I think they will have a message to give during the next 1,000 years. Plus, as it was mentioned already the Angel talking to John was a saint that has already made it with his heavenly body. When I think about being like the Angel I am thinking about that heavenly body like they have. Well it does talk about those who make it will be playing harps . Rev.5:8 , 14:2, 15:2

If you are talking about a body like the angels I think so. You will be of a different class of angels(the Bride members) 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 2 Peter 1:14 14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

I think the wilderness was an example for us to always rely on the word of God at our weakest point as did Jesus.(in the body) Jesus wasn't weak mentally but his body may have been at its weakest point before your lose your mind. Temptation is also a test, not always tempted inside but from the outside influence. - the devil I don't think Jesus had the lust of flesh as mention in Gal.5 Turning the stone to bread - you might read Deut.8:1-3 Jesus faith was in God providing life and not in himself or others.

Seem like its among the smart one. How many mentally challenge people do you know that are gay. If they are gay they might have been forced into it. just a thought

The last kingdom to rule was as far as Daniel 2 is concern is the Iron kingdom. Which was Rome and the Holy Roman Empire. So it got wounded, not dead yet. Is to revive. So as the bible and history - Rome is still a part of the Eighth beast Rev.17 its of the seven.(the last one) How I see it so far.

Scriptures on the Holy Life Ephesians 1:4 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1 Peter 1:15-16 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. Hebrews 12:14 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Romans 6:22 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 1 Thessalonians 3:13 13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. 1 Thessalonians 4:7 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. Ephesians 5:27 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 1 Timothy 6:14 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 3:14 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 2 Corinthians 11:2 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. Colossians 1:22 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 1 Thessalonians 5:23 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Matthew 5:8 8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 2 Timothy 2:22 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Titus 2:14 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 1 John 3:2-3 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure James 4:8 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 2 Corinthians 7:1 1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Ephesians 5:25-26 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 1 John 1:9 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Righteousness is what you are to do. Holy is what we are to be. In this life.

Jeremiah 5:14 14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

I think the Devil is more interested in controlling people and fallen angels. He must enjoy manipulating, he has an art at twisting thoughts. His most powerful tools are words. He must know he is going to die, like most people. enjoy life while you can. I think he knows what he is doing, but that don't mean he knows what he doing.

Well praise the Lord we get to go to church here in the USA When every thing is good why would a person not want to go to Jesus's church ??????????????? If Jesus built the church why would anybody reject it. Jesus said Matthew 12:30 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

I think its judgment for them in that days what ever they do their at that time. They already died for the sins, so those past sins are paid for, that was their penalty. These people died because they were not overcomer yet, they didn't get complete victory. They died before the time. God's mercy let them finish it out if they choose to. As we read some don't Some call it second chance, could just say God with his great mercy is not done with them yet. Well the hard part might be with some is they may think God does not have to prove people out. I think everybody is to be proven of their faith toward God. So with that thought, death bed repentance people still have to be proven. So where will that be done at, I think it in the 2nd resurrection. God triest the heart. You have to have Jesus to get a resurrection. 1st or 2nd Psalm 1:5 says the ungodly will not stand(or rise) in the judgment. How I see it so far.

Did Jesus have a choice ? Yes Hebrews 10:9 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Just for thoughts There is another type of resurrection. (The Nation of Israel restored to God.) Read Ezekiel 37 about Israel being restored back into their homeland. to me they are just dry bones and the nation has not excepted Jesus yet. Daniel 12:1-3 may be talking about this. they are going to find more trouble is coming for them until they turn to Jesus.