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Again taken out of context 20 I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. 21 For to me, to live is Christand to die is gain. 22 If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;24 but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Let Paul explain his meaning of his eagerly expect For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.” Romans 8:19. Paul’s earnest expectation and hope was for the time when his body would be redeemed. No where in Philippians 1:20-24 does Paul state he wanted to depart and be with Christ immediately. Paul states he earnest expectations to be with Christ and we have found out from his other teachings that his expectation centered on the resurrection The the ONLY means of being with the Lord is stated on 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and SO shall we ever be with the Lord

Which is taken out of context For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord” Paul specifically states he does not want to be unclothed (without a body), but rather further clothed (different body). Not be disembodied; like some floating soul. This entire passage is about resurrection. If you compare the rest of his teachings 1 Corinthians 15:51–54 is the exact same teaching So when Paul states; he prefers to be absent from the body and present with the Lord; Paul is specifically stating when we stand in God’s presence, we will not be in the same body we have now; but in a moment; in a twinkle of eye the next conscious thought we will have is being present with the Lord in our glorified bodies absent from our present bodies - resurrection.

Because that's what the scripture states Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [i.e., mortality] cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Cor. 15:50 and here But our commonwealth is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body (Philippians 3:20-21

No we won't have thoughts Ecclesiastes 9:10New International Version (NIV) 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom

Which is being missed quoted.

Exactly; However I would change the phrase "deep sleep" as it's a bit of a slur phrase to what it actually is sleep of death , and it's just as Paul taught Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [i.e., mortality] cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Cor. 15:50 and here But our commonwealth is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body (Philippians 3:20-21) In other words when you die, you can't be in heaven, otherwise you would have to be immortal; unfortunately immortality is only given at judgment when Christ comes. I would say they are in a place of silence. To answer this question we need to understand what makes a soul/minds The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Genesis 2:7). The breath of God and dust makes a human being, inother words; soul means human being. Since soul means human being; therefore a soul is not immortal. So a soul dies; it's silenced, so is the mind "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish" (Psalm 146:4)

Your quote this is you controlling thought. asking questions is a sign of a healthy faith even if we know the answers are not their. So no it certainly is pointless. Dennis 1209 has every right to ponder such questions without you to feel the need to correct him on what he should or should not think. which was spurred on by what was in the bible; hence the pondering of a question. I'm going to be honest here; I don't think this forum is healthy for you at all....you are continuously on the defensive. It's not healhy

So now you want to control people's thoughts now.... There is nothing wrong with what Dennis 1209 has asked....This is Dennis 1209 natural curiosity of the Bible. Theres one thing worse than the question that can’t be answered. It’s the question that was never asked.

Denying our inheritance is what is heretical. Denying Peter participated in the divine nature to walk on water is heretical. Making up nonsense like satan told four lies is what is discribed as wierd and left to weirdos like yourself.

You guys dont really know much about this subject matter do you? Its called theosis Just like your beloved gotquestions believes in https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/theosis.html

No im just sick and tired of your little group continuously branding everyone a false teacher who disagrees with you. Enough is enough.

and you show you are too personal

I love they way you guys think you own this site.

inventing 4 lies is not what I hold as sound doctrine. However thanks for being honest on your level of "standards" however the biblical standard is ONE lie. Period. Get over it now. yes it does....because it is divine glory, of that condition with God the Father in heaven, what is the condition of God? Divine: NO? Yes? I dont know? The glory of God is the divine of God. Basic stuff. Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. (participate/share in the divine nature) IT states right there we are sharers in divine nature.....sharers. Divine nature = theios = divine/diety Thayer's Greek Lexicon divinity, deity blasphemous I didnt state they were arguing about the verse. Please stop twisting what Im saying. But lets not pretend they didnt know about the verse. and context trumps your word usage, would you like to go through john step by step?

No sorry, im testing what shiloh was stating to Quasar93 I have every right to test him.... You do not tell me what to do....do you understand me? Please learn the difference between teacher and student. Stop bearing false witness Next time please dont lie to me that "you dont hate me" your actions are false.....like your dispensationalism

How can it when scripture shows satan stating ONE lie? That link deserves the gabage can. Just like scripture shows satan only telling one lie, we also see scripture showing we co-share deity Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory (deity) ...... Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature Co- Share in the divine nature(deity/glory) Never states we are pedestrians to deity. Theos never refers to mortal, unjust judges. If christ wished to state such a thing he could of used kurios AND THE SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN ! Showing the Pharisees knew they didn't believe what Psalm 82:6 really means, just like you, The word theos is used once in each of these 4 verses John 10:33-36 and it means the same thing every time. By claiming to be "the Son of THEOS , Christ was claiming to also be one with theos, which claim the Jews clearly understood. And by stating that the scripture calls other human beings theos, Christ meant that when human beings become "sons of God", then they also become of "theos" In otherwords Christ draws the same conclusion of Psalm 82:6 this is why Christ stated the verse, because the incident is the same equation of that verse. And as Christ who was a teacher of the law was giving them a lesson on the full potential of man. That is now continual delusion, not a scriptural rebuttal

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I dont see ANYWHERE in scripture satan said the following “If God is not gracious, then you’d better become your own god and take care of yourself. Have your own way Satan stated ONE lie You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman. Out of the one lie we can insert a number of meanings to the lie to its broader implications, but he only stated ONE lie. No that is called scripture Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory (deity) ...... Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature Co- Share in the divine nature(deity/glory) Never states we are pedestrians to deity. "Im wrong and youre right" are for 6 year olds....I would suggest you go back to your teachers and ask them for a scriptural rebuttal on the following.... Why the continual pattern of sonship and resurrection being similarly connected throughout scripture. Intelligent people would know im not equating to Gods essence To have the divine nature is one thing, but to be God Himself is another. I made this very clear to you....this goes back to definitions to which I explained it to you....which you claim was skirting round the issue, clarification is not skirting..... You are grappling to understand nature and person..... Nope Christ was directly quoting all of this I say, 'You are gods; you are all children (Son of God/sons of God) of the Most High Thats a delusional opinion not a scriptural rebuttal.

says the dispensationalist please get the name correct its inchrist

If you're going to demonize me..... Actually, Satan told four lies in the garden. doesnt help your self appointed agenda when Satan told ONE lie None of those passages indicate that we are going to be co-rulers of the universe with Jesus. Rejecting our inheritance of scripture stating we are co rulers in EVERYTHING with Christ , that means the entire universe doesnt help your case. You are trying to make a one-to-one comparison and that is not how it works Rejecting Familyship, when we find teachings by Christ that God desires LOVE that can only be described in a one -to - one correlation, because God wishes to interact with us not only objectively but subjectively being personal and LOVE us in a one -to one correlation as a family, God is not our friend, God is not some detached entity. It does not help your case when you present a static God, who is estranged in action of familyhood, when scriptures CLEARLY, not only stating but using concepts throughout to teach an expanding God desiring children, a family taking on His very NATURE. The problem is that as a title, firstborn is a rank that can apply and is applied to those who were not first born. rejecting the continual pattern of sonship and resurrection being similarly connected throughout scripture does not help your case in interpretation of Paul Participation in the divine nature is not participation in Deity/divinity Thats exactly what it states, It does not state we are pedestrians of the divine nature you are all sons of the Most High.' has nothing to do with christians? So we not sons of the Most High? which is qualified by the phrase: How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God? Christ was not only quoting Psalm 82:6, "You are gods but when he stated Son of God he was quoting the rest of the verse And all of you are sons of the Most High. (sons of God) Son of God = Deity and Christ is quoting sons of the Most High, logic dictates that Christ is interpreting deity in Pslams 82:6 Let me remind you John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. Partaker of the divine nature - Christ CAN NOT do anything without the direct will of the Father, subject to the father. If Christ wills upon himself to do his ( Christ) own will, Christ then becomes satan "But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' Isaiah 14:13&14 Satans fall was based on his own will to be the nature of God ............................................................................................................................................... So, lets give an example of participate in the divine nature: Peter walking on water. Christ could only walk on water by the will of the Father:- the divinity of Christ, but so did Peter! Implying Peter’s sharing in Christs divinity, co sharers Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. We share in Christs divinity, we do not bring about our own divinity by our own will ( Satan does that), we share in the divinity of Christ, making us deity by the will of the Father through Christ. Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. God does not object to us becoming like gods/deity, it is how we went about it, is what caused the fall. God made us in HIS IMAGE, we are already participating in the divine nature as we are made to look like God, what we are learning now, is how to ACT like God and to be LIKE God through Christ, then we receive CO SHARING rights of deity, that is why Christ is not ashamed to call us brothers Heb 2:11

Oh believe me I take great pleasure in correcting you.

No he didnt, he needed one lie By the way, I never stated Christ received a new body. There was certainly a change to the body, corruptible to incorruptible.

Why would I from you? I just opened up to you and all I get is Ou vev....

I didnt teach that Christ did 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— Honestly lets look here.....they accused Christ of being God. Christ then quotes Psalm 82:6 In your mind, christ is referring to judges, because that just makes so much sense because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are judges [d They just accused Christ of being God and Christ scriptural rebuke is scripture says you are judges.....?????

Then you should drop the dispensational stuff