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Yes Amen to that. I Agree. That is what is preached by man, and the second judgment is not a get out of jail free card like the first resurrection, but a trial. Many will be cast into the lake of fire at this judgment, but not all, because as I mentioned before -the Lambs book of life is also 'opened' during this judgement. That alone should tell us a lot, or else that book would be closed. This judgment is based on works where the balances are weighed. God will go straight through the heart to see what's inside. If someone served the wrong God because they were raised that way in the custom of their people, and knew nothing else because the truth was not given to them, how can they be held accountable? That would be unfair judgment, to say all were created for eternal destruction? God is fair which is why they are tried and he knows each and every ones circumstances. And what about all the children and unborn babies who died? What are they guilty of? In the resurrection, the saints will be raised to 'Spirit', not flesh. Once they are raised to 'spirit' they cannot die ever again and have conquered death. The remnant of Israel on the other hand consist of all generations, not just the survivors of Armageddon. Out of all their generations, they are hand picked, so not all ok. The dead Israelites from the past are amongst the 'remnant' and will come back to life in their flesh like Lazarus did. It doesn't matter how old their bones are, God is going to put flesh back on their bones, and breathe the breath of life back into them. They will be placed in the kingdom on earth, to learn Christ,....to live to a ripe old age (100), multiply and die again. Then they will be in the 2nd resurrection. Ezekiel 37:1-14 is a prophecy of a physical event. It is not a metaphor. Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. (The remnant of Israel)

Hi FreeGrace 1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Yes everyone in his own order. The firstfruits are the 144K. They will be raised first, then 'afterward' they that are Christ's at his coming. Who are the firstfruits? Those who followed the Lamb wheresoever he goes. The Lamb has to come first before he can be followed. He came with the new testament. Yes, all believers who follow Christ belong to him. The loyal servants of God in the OT did not know Christ. They didn't even know his name, but they knew there was someone to come, their Messiah, because he was prophesied about. Their places in the kingdom are secured. God has a job for them during the millennium. They will be the judges and counsellors, brought back in their flesh to organize Israel under Christ..They will die again, but in the 2nd resurrection they will be raised spirit. Luke 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Not sure what this has to do with the OT saints? These are all the NT saints who followed Christ. Indeed it is. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. The book of life is also opened in the 2nd judgement. It's not closed, so there is hope for some, judged differently according to their 'works'. If there is a 'first resurrection' mentioned, then there should be another one to follow? Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Right. And the remnant of Israel from the past. Raised in their flesh (not raised to spirit) Ezekiel chapter 37. Yes. ?

Freegrace The 1st resurrection is not the be all and end all. It's a new beginning and a time for restoration on Israel and the nations. This is the 1000 year of rest. Rest from Satan who is locked up, and cannot interfere, so the nations can heal. Ecclesiastes 7:8 Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. Before we get to the very end of God's plan, there are stages to go through, all for the benefit of Israel and the gentiles. The bible is very clear in old testament prophecies about what is to come during that time. If Israel are having children and multiplying during the millennium, then it makes sense that they are not spirit. If they are not spirit, then they have not taken part in the first resurrection - which is why there is a second resurrection. And if Israel are given mercy to repent, and convert because of truth, and learn by past mistakes, and become an example to the nations, and be in charge of spreading the truth, then they need trustworthy Men to lead them, .....devout men of God from old times who are chosen for this purpose, so the end can be more glorious. Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. So the kingdom of God on earth will consist of the mortal and the immortal. The mortal will join the immortal in the 2nd resurrection. And this is the finished work Christ will present to his Father. All that he has converted and healed and washed clean.

Don't forget we are given the number of the sealed. There are only 144,000. No more, and no less. These make up the true church. Those who have followed the Lamb wheresoever he goes.

I agree with this.

Hi Dennis1209 Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: This is the general rule, but there is an exception - those that Jesus and the apostles raised from the dead. They were not raised to spirit, but raised in the flesh, then died again. So they died twice. Jesus broke that rule, but for all of us, dying once is the norm, ...the way things go. However there are only two men who never tasted death, and that is Enoch and Elijah. Both were taken 'alive' up to the heavens in a Chariot. Their lives have been preserved to this day and for the very purpose of sending them back. Both will experience death for the first time when they have finished their testimony.

There's a requirement for entering into the resurrection Not all can enter into the first resurrection because not all can confess Christ's name. How can one confess Christ's name when one did not even know his name? So God has a plan that they do not miss out. The time will come when they will know his name. That time will come when Christ returns. This is what the 1000 years is for. They will still get paid what they are promised - in the 2nd resurrection.

Right, but when all got paid, who got paid first? Speaking about payment. Because that's when the payment comes. Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. All get paid as promised, but not at the same time. So the question should be who is the last, and who is the first? Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. The last are paid first, and the first are paid last. 2 resurrections. See the parable. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: How can they confess him before he came. Did they even know his name? No. This is why the remnant of Israel will be brought back in the 'flesh' during the 1000 years to learn his name, and confess his name and go through the same process we are going through now. All get paid, but not at the same time. 1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Agree! Not so, the first resurrection is for the generations from Christ onward. "The first will be last and the last will be first" However, God has not forgotten Israel, and those who lived before the tribes were formed, so he has a separate plan for them. And that plan is wonderful! Amongst them are the chosen remnant from Adam onwards. They will be brought back from the dead in their "flesh" bodies and placed into the Kingdom on earth with the living remnant of Israel. They will live a ripe old age and will multiply. All the remnant chosen will be taught by Christ and they will know him. All will enter the 2nd resurrection and there will they receive their change. So Christ's kingdom when he returns will consist of the mortal and the immortal. There is a distinction, because God has a plan for both. Those who were born before Christ first came did not know him, and there is a new commandment that all must go through Christ first before they can receive everlasting life. This is their time, and they have a thousand years of teaching and learning and spreading the truth out to the whole earth amongst the remnant of the nations who survive Armageddon. There will be a remnant of Israel from today as well, who will be brought into the kingdom and joined with them. These did not know Christ either but rejected him because the enemy was too strong. God knows all this and he also blinded their eyes, but already had it in his plan that he would bring them back after the works of the devil is revealed to them and they have gone through the fire. We all go through the fire where there is suffering, and the Lord does this so that we can learn by our mistakes. There is a fire that purifies, and a fire that kills. We want that fire that purifies and wakes us up. True. Right. The 2nd resurrection includes all who lived which did not make the first resurrection. It will also include the remnant I just explained to you, and their future generations, along with the future generations of the gentiles who are yet to be born during the thousand years. You are not really that wrong here, but more on the side of right. More awareness of the OT prophesies where some good meat is hidden can only make things more clear and add to knowledge. All is written and I can provide scriptures if you require. God bless.

Hi William Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, This is something that has only come to my attention recently. Jesus is a prince because he is the son of a KING. Not the son of any king but the son of his Almighty Father who is God which sent him. That King. Of all the princes which are many, Jesus has been given authority over them all, because he was faithful until death. Therefore he is called the Prince of Princes. But God has given his Son, his prince, a kingdom to rule over on the earth and when he returns he shall be crowned and glorified as King, and will rule over of all the kings of the earth. Therefore he is the King of Kings of that kingdom he was promised and all shall be fulfilled. So the KJV version I am quoting, is not corrupt or contrary but harmonises nicely with the truth. The Prince of Princes is not Michael. Michael is only 'a' prince. One of the many. He doesn't hold that great title of Prince of Princes and doesn't even compare. He is only the prince of Israel, and the prince of war and is subject to Jesus.

I don't see the tribulation as finished here, because there is one more woe to go. That one will be the end, the finito. Judgement finished on Babylon. They are not done in the 6th seal. Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? "Who is going to die, who is going to live"? is what they are asking. Not yet finished - Is what I am trying to explain. Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Yes you are right. This is not when Jesus sets his feet on the Mount of Olives. But....the plagues come as soon as the Mark of the Beast is issued. Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. The 6th seal shows the end part of the tribulation, not the beginning. All the plagues are obviously coming to an end, not about to start. As I stated before, when the 7th seal is opened, it is only 'revealing' what happened in the 6th seal. It's telling the story on how it led up to that part with men hiding in the caves. Those seals are only opening up our understanding of what's to come. It's the giving of information and understanding.

Maybe you are right. Maybe Christ has not touched down yet on to the Mt of Olives. Maybe they are hiding in the rocks and the caves because of that earthquake when the 2 witnesses rise. This would shock the world because they have been rejoicing then suddenly....they realise that these men were of God and go into panic and great fear. Don't forget this is still the 6th seal we are discussing.

Hi Light Yes that is also correct and harmonises nicely with other scriptures. I have included the next verse which is revealing something very important; Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Wait another 45 days, and there is your rapture. Why? The two witnesses have just been killed. That is the 2nd Woe. The third woe is coming quickly. The 3rd Woe is coming in 45 days. Woe to the nations, but blessed is he who takes part in the Resurrection (rapture) Something big is happening during those 45 days. The world is rejoicing over the death of the two witnesses. After 3.5 days they are brought again to life. Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The end is not yet, but soon. God is going to send in the Mede's to attack the gates of Babylon. Their headquarters, their infrastructure, their communications, power, everything, even the nations they rule over. False prophet is losing power. His kingdom is suddenly weakened. Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, brother against brother. The 3rd world war begins. All this is leading up to Armageddon, the war against the Lamb. All in 45 days. And blessed is he that comes to the 1335 days, because there is only 1 resurrection and gathering unto Christ. This is the day we are waiting for. Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple. Jeremiah 51:12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon. Jeremiah 51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.

Hi Light There is only 3.5 yrs of great tribulation. This starts as soon as the False Prophet is revealed and issues the Mark of the Beast. Start the clock here. All who take this Mark of the Beast, are those who refused to come out of Babylon so will also receive of her last 7 plagues. There are only 7 angels with the 7 last plagues, not 14 angels. All the seals, when opened up show us what's to come. The sixth seal in Rev 6 is only condensed, showing the last part of that seal where men are hiding in the rocks and in the caves. They are hiding because when Christ comes down to the Mt of Olives (the same place where he was taken captive) a great earthquake will happen. At this same time the armies of the world are gathered against him for battle. The whole land is afraid, including the soldiers, and all the others are hiding in fear. The third woe comes quickly. The seals when opened show us what's to come. The sixth seal is only a glimpse of the end. All the first 6 plagues have already been received by this stage. The last plague is to come which is the 3rd woe. The 7th seal only gives us 'the details' of what happened during that sixth seal. More information. A clearer picture. During that 6th seal, 7 angels came out and delivered the plagues. Each angel had a trumpet and a vial. The trumpet is the warning, and the vial is the plague being poured out. They happen at the same time. When the 7th Angel comes, it is done finished. It's not finished at the 6th seal in Rev 6 as I pointed out. Unless I am missing something, I can't see it finished where that 6th seal ends? Can you?

Quick rundown of the 6th seal - how does it end here? Christ has not destroyed all his enemies yet, and it is not finished. Therefore all the 6 plagues have already been recieved. The third woe is coming. Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

William Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. You do know who the Prince of princes is, and what day this is? This same guy, that king of fierce countenance is going to stand up against the Prince of princes in the latter time of their kingdom. Also same Guy from Rev 13.

Hi WilliamL Not Antiochus Epiphanes, but is at the end times when the Son of Perdition is revealed (The False Prophet) Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. What happens when the trangressors come to the full? Evil has to be cut down. Babylon has fallen. It's time for her to reap what she has sown. God will use his method and send in the destroyers. Those who love this world and refuse to come out of her have to drink of that cup, and that cup starts with the Son of Perdition (False Prophet) who will oppress the nations and also oppress the Holy People of God. He oppresses everyone and this is the man to cause the final destruction on this world's system. This harmonizes nicely with Jeremiah 25, and Rev 18. Everything will be thrown back in his face, and just wait, 3.5 yrs until his kingdom comes to nothing. Step by step, Babylon will receive all the plagues and will dissolve into nothing. The False Prophet is that king of fierce countenance, the same one we were warned about in 2 Thess chapter 2. This is Satan's son, the Son of Perdition. He is Satan's brain child. This man is coming and we were warned. Can't change what is written. Know the depths of Satan how cunning he is. Know that he is persecuting God's woman because he is attacking the truth, trying to make us not believe the written Word. He's sent a whole host out there to cause confusion and cast doubt. Don't forget that God already knew and had it in his plans to give salvation to the Gentiles. That book is for us too. We don't have to know how to read Hebrew, because God's hand was on the interpreters of the day, and no other king in this world was ordained for God's word to be published and sent out to the world so that we can have it today, hassle free and receive instruction. The scriptures harmonize. The lies don't fit.

Yes they would but they would all be one in Christ where it doesn't matter if one is Jew or Gentile. The 'holy people' are the ones who are doing God's commandments and that has to include accepting Christ, which is a new commandment. 2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Hello farouk Anyone who follows God's commandments, is considered holy. Israel has yet to know their true Messiah. He will be revealed to them at his return, on that actual day he comes and delivers them from their enemies. The point I was making is that during the 5th seal, after the beast is given power there is no secret rapture, but persecution on God's holy people instead. It's quite clear that no rapture has taken place or else there would be no holy people left to persecute. Here are the holy people; 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Hello Vine Thank you. The woman is God's truth. The truth is above all and God's people dwell in Zion (the truth). We are not the truth, but dwell in the truth that is given. Here is a scripture to give an example; Psalms 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. Psalms 132:14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. Psalms 132:15 I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread. Psalms 132:16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy. The LORD has chosen to dwell in Zion, meaning he dwells in the truth. He could of chosen to dwell in darkness if he wanted to, but he chose to dwell in the light. Even the priests will God clothe with Zion (truth). So they cannot be God's woman but are fed by her with that bread that comes from heaven. Truth.

I testify that the woman in Rev 12 is God's woman - his wife. Her name is Zion. God's woman is not physical, but a metaphor for his doctrine which is the truth. God and his doctrine (truth) is like a marriage and they cannot be separated. God's doctrine/truth produces children who will be in the resurrection. When we come to God we come to the truth. The truth is our umbrella, and the truth shall set you free. Without truth, we can only grope in the dark, and without it we cannot hear our God's voice nor know him. Israel cannot be God's woman, because God's woman is lifted so high, covered with the sun (light/truth) that even Israel need her. The 12 stars on the woman's crown are the 12 tribes of Jacob. A symbol of what's to come in the near future. The 12 tribes will serve Zion again, in truth, after being corrected and will receive authority over the remnant of the nations. All will happen after Christ's return for it is written throughout the OT, that they will return to Zion. Israel were the first called to serve Zion, and even before Israel was formed Abraham dwelt in her, so did Enoch and Elijah, Job etc. Whoever does all that God commands dwells in God's woman and shall be nurtured for salvation. And there is a new commandment now that whoever believes and walks in Christ will be invited to seek of her treasures. Sorry this is so long but this is my shortest version of explaining. If this is not understood the whole interpretation of Rev 12 goes down the wrong path.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Why is he destroying the Holy people if they have already been raptured? 1+1=2

Hi Kenny The 4th Seal (Pale horse) indicates when full power is given to the 10 kings and false prophet. The 5th Seal is when things have gone from bad to worse, and the new law is that no man can buy or sell unless he receives the Mark of the Beast. The dead can't speak, but revelation 6:9-11 is just a metaphor showing us that 'many'.... 'brethren' will be killed by this beast also through persecution just like our brethren in the past. My point is, that many Christians will be killed under the hand of the Son of Perdition ruling with this beast when that time comes, and that is what God is showing us. He's not showing us an early rapture, but exactly how it's going to be. This is truth. When this is all accomplished- the final number of saints who will be killed, God will avenge for us. The two witnesses will be the last ones killed - now it's revenge time. Further; The 6th Seal contains all the 6 trumpets/vials. By the time we reach only the 1st trumpet/1st vial in the 6th Seal, the Mark of the Beast is already issued so this proves the Son of Perdition comes in the 5th Seal. Here is the proof in the pudding; Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. Mark issued already. The 7th Seal is the Coming and the war against the Lamb. It is done.