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Argosy. Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. Israel will make an agreement with the false prophet to come into israel and destroy the muslem dome. But He will take it for himself. Then the king of the east(medes) will stand up with his allies. This will be the 3rd ww.,not armageddon. This war will be cut short by the appearing of the Lord of Lords. Armageddon is the war of men against The Lamb. The 3rdww is the war of men against men. I believe ww3 is Armageddon, and its a war of men against men, and men against God. Islam and Russia come against Israel, and the antichrist defends Israel, both armies are evil at that stage. The antichrist fights Christ by already ruling Israel as the false Christ, the Gog alliance fights Christ through attacking God's holy land. Israel is losing this war, with Gog entering right into the highlands of Israel where Jerusalem is. (Ezekiel 38/39). At this moment Israel repents and Jesus appears and destroys the attacking armies, Israel is made pure at that moment and so does not get destroyed but wins the battle with Christ. The difference between the war of armageddon and the war of gog and magog: 1. Armageddon will be at the coming. The dead will be buried in the valey of hinom(jehosaphat). Jesus will destroy babylon; with the sword of his mouth.(satan spared).(only the f.proph. and beast cast in fire)(Rev.19:20) 2. Gog and magog,will be one thousand years after armageddon. God himself will destroy satan,because he was not destroyed at armageddon. Fire from heaven, from God will destroy him. Rev20:9. The dead will be buried in a place called Hamongog.will take 7months to bury. There is a second resurrection, one thousand years after armageddon. The second coming does not consist of the first and the second resurrection. They are 1000yrs apart. jesse. I agree with all of this, and yet don't know how its relevant to our discussion. We were comparing ww3 and Armageddon, and I was saying they are the same war. Now you are comparing the Gog/Magog war with Armageddon, I agree that they are different wars separated by the millenium. Argosy. To know prophecy correctly is important.All todays scribes are still discussing and seeking for gog and magog; a people that dont exist yet. Thanks. jesse. It is Russia

The same as aways... because of truth. There is going to be many killed because of the same but it's going to take something to start all seeing the truth ....whatever will it be! Do you know that israel's greatest dream is to build the 3rd temple? But no can do;because the dome is in the way. So israel will let someone else to do the job. They made a deal with the false prophet. (a deal with death). The false prophet will come into israel and occupy it for 3/half years. The temple will be build;but the false prophet will have it for himself. Because of the dome; Iran and his allies will march in from the east. This is how the 3rd ww will start. jesse. There will be no third temple Are you saying that the will also do animal sacrifices ?

Why do you include the 70 th week in the book of revelation ? Can you show me where? jesse. Jesse Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation, spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand; Flee. Dan 9:24 - Seventy Sevens have been decreed for your people and your holy city to:::.. v.27 - He will confirm a covenant with may for one seven. In the middle of the seven, he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation... There are two 42 month divisions of the 70th Week. Rev 13:5 - The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty two months. Rev 12:14 - so that she might fly to a place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times, and half a time; (42 Months) Israel as a nation has not completed the 6 tasks of Dan 9:24.. 7 years, Two 42 Month periods. In Christ Montana Marv This not what the bible says the 70 wk is not in revelation this is man made teaching What two 42 months period ? there is only one

Where in the bible says that we are going to heaven ? thanks

Hope we get bread huh

Agree Little lamb. peace. jesse. What do you understand by this verse ? what time period is this said and why ? thanks Revelation 22:10-12King James Version (KJV) 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

No, not all are, but those who are will be the ones serving with the Lord during the Millennium. Instead of trying to make verses fit your theology, show us why plain scripture is not true. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. 1.Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, 2.who had not worshiped the beast or his image, 3.and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. 4.And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. I challenge you to tell us how the following is not true. they had been beheaded for their witness in Jesus and for the word of God. they had not worshiped the beast or his image they had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands those who fulfilled the first three requirements are those who live and reign with Christ for a thousand years. There is no mention of any others who will reign with Christ during this time. Who is trying to fit in scriptures for own doctrine sake here? Here is proof that I am not making things up. You as a christian,should walk in the spirit of Christ, such as mildness,long suffering, and patience. Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, ***until their fellowservants also and their brethren***, ***that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled***. jesse. Who is these brethren and when were they killed ? Are they OT or NT saints ?

Hi justfaith, Thankyou for your response. You see I'm putting everything together. Jesus made it clear no one can come to the Father but by through him. He is the door now. So after his death, all who believe on him will take part in the first resurrection, but the others before that (Israelites), didn't get the chance to know Christ, so they will get that chance in the 1000 years. They too, like us, have to not only walk through the door of Christ, but have their spirit renewed also. They too have to feed on Christ's flesh (The Word of God) and have that holy spirit in them also. Just like we need the HS to be raised in the 1st resurrection. But they've missed out on that so they get their change at the 2nd resurrection. The gentiles also, who did not know Christ, or obey him will be in this judgement also. I think Adam will be in the 2nd resurrection, not the first. Will those in the second resurrection be bless according to the bible ? Why or Why not thanks Being spared at the 2nd resurrection would be a blessing, but I don't know what you mean "according to the bible" We know there's a 2nd resurrection, and the ones who will be spared (the sheep) will have their names written in the book of life. Other than knowing this, there's not much information given to us. For example, after the 2nd resurrection, the goats will be thrown into the lake of fire, and the sheep put to the right. The earth will be melted, and the heavens and the earth renewed. I can't say if what will happen inbetween the 2nd judgement and the melting of the earth, so cannot coment. If someone comes in the second resurrection they are cured and condemed to hell that is what the bible says The sheep were already taken the sheep goat thing is just a parable the righteous will not stand with the wicked at the white throne at the same time

Justfaith, That would be corruptible flesh, because they would die again. Then be raised in the 2nd resurrection. What type of body does Jesus have in heaven now ? Does He have flesh ? thanks

I am not sure what you are answering or referring to? One person said the kingdom of saints the gentile but the bible say whosoever overcome referring to both jew and greek to rule nations not the saints ruling the jews

Did the old testement saints knew God had a Son ?

Yes, but not in full. During the 1,000 years it is referred to as the city in Rev.22:14 and "camp of the saints" in Rev.20. It will include the Ezekiel sanctuary of Ezekiel 40 forward. But after the 1,000 years, there will be no more temple like Revelation says. In Ezekiel 47, the River of the waters of life and tree of life is manifested with the Ezekiel temple. In Rev.22:14-15, Christ's elect are inside the gates of the city with right to the tree of life, while the wicked are outside it. This means during... the 1,000 years, God's River and the Tree of Life will be... back on earth with the holy city, and with a temple (Ezekiel's temple). That is where Christ with His faithful saints will reign from, on earth. The new Jerusalem only comes after the new earth has been created The meaning of for without are dogs etc is not saying that these people are literally outside of the physical city but will not get eternal life The earth is curse and only when created new then the new city comes down the saints will be in old Jeusalem read Is Isa 4 and Isaiah 24:23King James Version (KJV) 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. This is the camp of the saints on the old earth not the new So that city with Ezekiel's temple, God's River flowing out the sanctuary, and the tree of life manifested on each side of that River have nothing to do with the New Jerusalem??? Rev.21-22 does not give a clear separation of times, simply because the Rev.22:14-15 Scripture DOES show the wicked outside the gates of the holy city in that time... Rev.22 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. What you seem to not understand is that above Scripture is Millennium timing, it goes with the events of Rev.20 during Christ's 1,000 years reign. Those are the "nations" in that chapter outside the "camp of the saints". That city is... the "camp of the saints", the Ezekiel 40 forward layout with a Millennium sanctuary, God's River, and the tree of life, on earth. That's the Scripture, take it or leave it, but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about just because the actual Scripture goes against some doctrine of men you've heeded instead. When you folks learn to open up the Old Testament Books in study as much as you rely on the New Testament Books, and learn, instead of listening to the many preachers out there that haven't done that OT study either, then I might be willing to help with these kind of matters. But for now, I am done. Where will satan be for the 1000 yrs ? Where will the bottomless pit be ? Will satan exist in the new Why or Why not ? thanks Revelation 20 to 22 gives a clear seperation of time Reve 21-22 has no more wicked existing 5 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. all this is saying that these kind of people will never enter the city not that they exist at the time in the new with God the Father here on earth

Yes, but not in full. During the 1,000 years it is referred to as the city in Rev.22:14 and "camp of the saints" in Rev.20. It will include the Ezekiel sanctuary of Ezekiel 40 forward. But after the 1,000 years, there will be no more temple like Revelation says. In Ezekiel 47, the River of the waters of life and tree of life is manifested with the Ezekiel temple. In Rev.22:14-15, Christ's elect are inside the gates of the city with right to the tree of life, while the wicked are outside it. This means during... the 1,000 years, God's River and the Tree of Life will be... back on earth with the holy city, and with a temple (Ezekiel's temple). That is where Christ with His faithful saints will reign from, on earth. The new Jerusalem only comes after the new earth has been created The meaning of for without are dogs etc is not saying that these people are literally outside of the physical city but will not get eternal life The earth is curse and only when created new then the new city comes down the saints will be in old Jeusalem read Is Isa 4 and Isaiah 24:23King James Version (KJV) 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. This is the camp of the saints on the old earth not the new

Revelation 2 King James Version (KJV) 2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Seems that Jesus Himself will remove the Holy Spirit What sayesth thou ?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

What does this verse mean ?And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.Eph 4:30 What was the lesson we can learn from samson ? What does it mean that some have fall away ? Did they have the Holy Spirit ? When they fell away do they still have the HS or unclean spirit ? thanks When one has the Holy Spirit they can lose it if the do evil once saved always saved is a lie The foolish virgins had the Holy Spirit at one point in time then lose it *** justfaith, I merged a four of your posts and removed the same series of quotes. Think your reply through before posting and don't keep quoting long posts that have many quotes inside them. ***

The righteous has already been judged at Jesus second coming thus they got there reward the wicked alive and dead will get there at the white throne

I can see something in this. This suggests that a person's works will decide how severe their punishment is. Hi Oakwood. 1. At the second coming;This wicked system will be destroyed,only the true belivers resurrected in spirit form. The rest of the survivors and the dead in their graves will be left as is. 2. The jews from the past and present and some living will be brought back to their own land,in the flesh. which will be paradise(jerusalem).Only the remnant of the jews chosen by God. The saints will rule over them,as kings and priests. And Jesus as king of kings. This would be the kingdom of the saints,for one thousand years.The lion will eat straw. 3. The gentiles left,will multiply outside the square(kingdom),and so will the jews inside the square(paradise). 4.The jews taught christ by the saints,will also teach the gentiles out side. many gentiles will accept Christ,But many also will not. 5.When the thousand years are past, satan will be let loose to draw the non believers of the gentiles outside, to one place to attack the square(kingdom). They all will be destroyed by God himself this time. This is the war of gog and magog. Now all the wicked are dead;satan and his angels cast into the fire. 6.There are still many dead gentiles in the graves of all generations,and all religions. They will be brought back to life; judged by their deeds(hearts). The sheep placed on the right(the good hearted),and the goats on the left(the mean hearted). The goats, cast in the fire;the sheep accepted,and changed into spirit form,and will join all the saints. 7. Now all the wicked are no more, all the saints will be God's children. 8. But the earth is still poluted on the suface, and under the earth. The earth will be melted, and a new earth created. All the saints will be in heaven untill its done. 9. Then all will come down to the new earth,and God will also dwell on earth,all can see Him face to face. God's will is done in earth. jesse. Where in the bible say that the wicked will accept Christ in the 1000 year and get salvation ? Are you saying there will be baptism in the 1000 years ? thanks I am sure that there will be the same ritual of baptism of water. It's not written in scripture. jesse. The bible does not say that there is a second chance for anyone in the 1000 years Though they listen to Jesus that is the wicked nations it would be in vain as regards to salvation thus they are ruled with a rod of iron and only listen to survive and eat Zechariah 14:16-18King James Version (KJV) 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Probation period is closed thus we live for Jesus now so that when He comes we will not be found wanting Isaiah 65:20King James Version (KJV) 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. During the 1000yr reign many gentiles of the outside will be converted. They will be invited in each year to celebrate the feast of tabernacles Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Malachi 2:12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts. jesse. Even though the people obey God during the 1000 years they will not be saved probation period is over just as the days of Noah notice that God closed the door so it will be in the end God will closed the door they will be among the five foolish virgins

Are you saying once saved always saved ? thanks

John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. Matthew 12:43-45King James Version (KJV) 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

I can see something in this. This suggests that a person's works will decide how severe their punishment is. Hi Oakwood. 1. At the second coming;This wicked system will be destroyed,only the true belivers resurrected in spirit form. The rest of the survivors and the dead in their graves will be left as is. 2. The jews from the past and present and some living will be brought back to their own land,in the flesh. which will be paradise(jerusalem).Only the remnant of the jews chosen by God. The saints will rule over them,as kings and priests. And Jesus as king of kings. This would be the kingdom of the saints,for one thousand years.The lion will eat straw. 3. The gentiles left,will multiply outside the square(kingdom),and so will the jews inside the square(paradise). 4.The jews taught christ by the saints,will also teach the gentiles out side. many gentiles will accept Christ,But many also will not. 5.When the thousand years are past, satan will be let loose to draw the non believers of the gentiles outside, to one place to attack the square(kingdom). They all will be destroyed by God himself this time. This is the war of gog and magog. Now all the wicked are dead;satan and his angels cast into the fire. 6.There are still many dead gentiles in the graves of all generations,and all religions. They will be brought back to life; judged by their deeds(hearts). The sheep placed on the right(the good hearted),and the goats on the left(the mean hearted). The goats, cast in the fire;the sheep accepted,and changed into spirit form,and will join all the saints. 7. Now all the wicked are no more, all the saints will be God's children. 8. But the earth is still poluted on the suface, and under the earth. The earth will be melted, and a new earth created. All the saints will be in heaven untill its done. 9. Then all will come down to the new earth,and God will also dwell on earth,all can see Him face to face. God's will is done in earth. jesse. Where in the bible say that the wicked will accept Christ in the 1000 year and get salvation ? Are you saying there will be baptism in the 1000 years ? thanks I am sure that there will be the same ritual of baptism of water. It's not written in scripture. jesse. The bible does not say that there is a second chance for anyone in the 1000 years Though they listen to Jesus that is the wicked nations it would be in vain as regards to salvation thus they are ruled with a rod of iron and only listen to survive and eat Zechariah 14:16-18King James Version (KJV) 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Probation period is closed thus we live for Jesus now so that when He comes we will not be found wanting Isaiah 65:20King James Version (KJV) 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

There is no indication in scripture that they were first dead in order to be "brought back". Please provide scripture where you find this so we can discus them. The 144,000 are sealed and on earth doing His will during the tribulation. What you are describing is how life is said to be after the New Heaven and New Earth is created and the New Jerusalem is brought to earth, not before. Your timetable is wrong. No, they are who are sealed in Revelation 7:4-8, as I provided the scripture above. The seal in John 6:27 speaks only about Jesus, nobody else. John 6:26-27 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.” John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: ***for him hath God the Father sealed***.(Jesus does not need any sealing)( he is the creator). You neglect the fact that when Christ walked on this earth, He stepped down from His authority as God and had to be ministered to by Angels and sealed with the Holy Spirit as we all do. Yes, God did place a seal on Him as we read in John 6:27. This is clearly seen, without mistake, when examining the Greek: "for the Father seals the God" No, I do not agree because there are more than one type of "seal" We read that all believers are seal by the Holy Spirit: Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. The 144,000 have a different seal from God: Revelation 7:3 “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” and Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. It is not me who is misunderstanding scripture. It is obvious that you have many errors in your understanding. Christ does reign for 1000 years, but with a rod of iron, not a place where the lamb will lay down with the lion, where everything will be all rosy. Those who are left to live in the 1000 years are not only Jews, but the whole world. Have you not read that after the 1000 years are up, Satan is loosed for a little while to gather another army from the four corners of the world? You should really return to scripture to see what it really says. May I ask under what church have you been taught this? My teacher is the Holy spirit,not any church. What church have taught you? Besides the Holy Spirit teaching me directly, I also have sat under the teaching of others who are His, learning a lot from the true body of Christ, being corrected and held accountable for my beliefs. I am not an island. You would do well, and find wisdom, in listening to those who are further down the road in their walk with Christ, more mature in Him. The major problem with someone who only accepts what they believe is being taught to them by the Holy Spirit is when they are wrong, they refuse correction. This site has many who truly understand scripture. I would advise, advice I also had to accept, that you listen to what others say and search scripture to see if it is true or not, questioning when not fully understood (not assuming you fully understand) and seek clarity from others in what they present. Do not place yourself in a position where you are continually defending your belief. Instead, try to gain more understanding and knowledge. The above is exactly what I was speaking to in the first part of my reply. I was not replying to who is saved, how they are save, or if the Jewish people will come to a complete understanding of Christ, but to those who will reign with Christ during the millennium and what it will be like during that time. Instead of addressing what I was speaking to, you go off into an argument that is not even part of this conversation. Slow down and read what is written to you. One light. I tought I made ot clear. The resurrected saints will rule over the jews brought back in the flesh. Not all jews;but the remnant chosen by God. jesse. Both Jew and Gentile Revelation 2:26-27King James Version (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Where it says in the new one cannot lose the Holy Spirit ? thanks

Why do you include the 70 th week in the book of revelation ?

Isaiah 43:10 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. For both the Jew and the gentile