Defending the Name

LAMAD I will answer your question directly and as succinct as I can be, to how I will get to the marriage and supper in heaven? I am here to fight with the beast and all those who are with him, I will be fighting to the bitter end when the earth quakes to and fro and is an open graveyard of destruction and pitch black darkness covers the day and night sky with heavy rain pouring down continuously non stop. I will rally all those that the angels of The Lord have gathered on the mountain of our God, to fight to the death and we will be the last men standing on a God forsaken earth. I will execute every word that proceeds from the Holy mouth of The Lord and I will declare his brilliant coming when I speak these words "Let there be Light". Until then I will continue to feed his church as he instructs me. That sounds so spiritual and nice; but it is simply not truth. You will be without water and without food if you refuse the mark. You will be running scared just like everyone else who is running from the Beast. There will be no "fighting" Him. The truth is, you will be OVERCOME exactly like other believers. When you are caught, you will be tortured and tried repeatedly, attempting to get you to take the mark. As it is written, if you fight with the sword, you will be killed by the sword. If you fight with guns, you will be killed by guns. Do you have guns? Is this your plan? Eventually, if you don't take the mark, you will lose your head. It is pretty simple, if we just believe the bible. HOW MUCH BETTER to be in the Father's will, and be prepared when Jesus comes PRETRIB for His bride? That is the true will of the Father. LAMAD What The Lord has shown me is that after the church is martyred by the beast of the bottomless Pitt, and before the time when God unleashing his wrath upon the inhabitants of earth, the remaining Christians who God chooses to remain, will be physically in their flesh bodies be taken to a secret location on earth by Holy Angels. I seen these glass dormitories that become the protective chambers for this last remaining, The place they are taken has food and water and they will stay in their chambers until the indignation is passed. Then when they come out, it will be a totally, different world, where it will be pitch black, continuously raining and the earth continuously quaking and the smell of death everywhere by the dead inhabitants of the world that have not been buried. This smell of death encompasses the whole world and at that location is the only barely habitable region of earth. These remaining faithful that will be amassed are die hards for The Lord, they are described in Joel 2: 1Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand— 2a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was in ancient times nor ever will be in ages to come. 3Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes. Before them the land is like the garden of Eden, behind them, a desert waste— nothing escapes them. 4They have the appearance of horses; they gallop along like cavalry. 5With a noise like that of chariots they leap over the mountaintops, like a crackling fire consuming stubble, like a mighty army drawn up for battle. 6At the sight of them, nations are in anguish; every face turns pale. 7They charge like warriors; they scale walls like soldiers. They all march in line, not swerving from their course. 8They do not jostle each other; each marches straight ahead. They plunge through defenses without breaking ranks. 9They rush upon the city; they run along the wall. They climb into the houses; like thieves they enter through the windows. 10Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine. 11The Lord thunders at the head of his army; his forces are beyond number, and mighty is the army that obeys his command. The day of the Lord is great; it is dreadful. Notice these last die hards are the last remaining Christians and faithful Jews in Christ who fight it out to the bitter end, before the brilliant coming do The Lord ends the first earth and the first heaven and translates them into their heavenly place. Notice also this scenery is earth's final dramatic end where it is described as being like Eden BEFORE (historically speaking) and a destroyed desert wasteland that is left BEHIND them (in the present). This great army of God is gathered on a mountain top and God issues his command to the leader of that army who obeys his every command. As a matter of interest to you, did you know that the Old Covenant Jews played out this prophesy at Mosada. Unfortunately those Jews thought that they were the end day remnant and with them must have been the false prophet who deceived them to believe that they were. Under cosmic signs it would have been explainable why they believed what they believed at the time. However in Joel this army that God gathers is the end day army and they statement "such as never was in ancient times nor ever will be in ages to come" indicates that it is the climax to the literal end of earth and life on earth. God stated in the gospels that if he didn't shorten those days for the sake of the elect, no flesh would survive. The versus in Isaiah describes how Christ's came to raise the dead and how at this point in earth's history most inhabitants of earth have died as the statement "the earth shall cast out the dead" portrays this climax to the end. The remaining people of Christ are hiding in their chambers will all hell is breaking loose on earth by the judgement vials. So they hide in the chambers supplied to them by the Holy Angels that transported them to that mountain. The earth shall disclose her blood and shall not cover her slain is the smell of death that was everywhere in the vision shown to me. Isaiah 26 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Salty this is the problem, where in scripture does it teach a one-time gathering by Christ Jesus of His Church at the end of this world? These are the conditions that you have placed on scripture: 1) one-time gathering of the church 2) happens ONCE at the end of the world 3) gathering together of both dead and living at the SAME TIME

This is one of millions of millions of cases where The Lord comes to those who he has chosen as his sheep. If you are born in the wrong religion and false worship, then Christ is coming for you, hang in there. This is what every Muslim should do, is to ask as this women did, she said Jesus come and help me. If only Muslims ask they shall receive the light and the truth shall be made known to them. As long as Muslims and other false religions live in the fear and hostilities of their religions they are captives of the heart and mind. Ask to be freed and you will be freed, all you need to do is to ask him. Ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened. You don't need to live in a religion of fear and be an outcast. Come to Jesus and ask him.

I would have to disagree with that…. Text demands a literal interpretation Daniel 11:45 - And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain. Daniel 11:31 - "His army will take over the Temple fortress, pollute the sanctuary, put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and set up the sacrilegious object that causes desecration. and so it will be brother, and we will win Amen Praise The Lord

LAMAD I will answer your question directly and as succinct as I can be, to how I will get to the marriage and supper in heaven? I am here to fight with the beast and all those who are with him, I will be fighting to the bitter end when the earth quakes to and fro and is an open graveyard of destruction and pitch black darkness covers the day and night sky with heavy rain pouring down continuously non stop. I will rally all those that the angels of The Lord have gathered on the mountain of our God, to fight to the death and we will be the last men standing on a God forsaken earth. I will execute every word that proceeds from the Holy mouth of The Lord and I will declare his brilliant coming when I speak these words "Let there be Light". Until then I will continue to feed his church as he instructs me.

When the Antichrist (little horn) sits in the temple, this is not a physical temple built by humans hands. The temple that God is alluding to so the temple of the body. You see to a non believer he could not care where the antichrist sits, because he would not even entertain the thought a a temple that would be revered. So the temple must be recognised by the believer to be sacred. This temple is the dwelling of the Holy Ghost. After this we can understand that the body of Christ who are Christians who have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost will be confronted with this false Messiah who pretends to be the Christ. So the man of sin presents himself not to unbelievers but to believers who are the temple of God and by doing so he deceives them into believing that he is the Messiah, when in fact he is the incarnated devil in flesh, who is the prince of this world. 2 Thessalonians 2 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. So the little horn presents himself to the Christian believers as the Christ for the Christians are the Holy temple of God. After all to serve the lie that he is the a Messiah when he is in fact the devil in disguise is projected at the true temple worshippers who worship God in Spirit. The little horn is not presenting himself to none believers but actual Holy Spirit, so if it were also possible even the very elect are in danger of falling for this cruel lie. Do you get it? The temple is the temple of the Holy Ghost who are the congregation of Christ and this little horn comes posing as their Christ, in order to cheat them of their salvation and bring them into eternal damnation. That is why he is called the mother of all idol worship and he is THE (definitive article) abomination that maketh desolate who sits amongst Christ's sheep and pretends to be their Lord when in fact he is the devil in disguise. So the man of sin sits in the assembly of Christ who are Holy Spirit filled Christians and tries to convince them through signs and lying wonders that he is their Lord. The man of sin is therefore sitting in the spiritual temple of God and claiming to be their God in flesh, the Christ. This cannot be a physical earthly temple of unbelieving Jews. Even if a physical temple is built for that meeting, it would still require believers to be assembled and present as the recipients of the ultimate lie of all lies.

Firstly brother to clear up things, let me make it clear that I am not a Preterist and I am not interested in their interpretations and never put my time or thought in what they believe or what they don't believe. I believe me and you have more in common than you are declaring, so please let me show you: You stated that: "The FUTURE Beast of Revelation 13 will be the very same man as Paul's man of sin" My reply: I fully agree with you on this and I do not believe the end time abomination that maketh desolate is Antoichus Epiphanes. You stated: "who will enter the new temple and declare to all that he is God" My reply: I don't agree with you on this point because God the Holy Spirit is not interested in a physically earthly temple, because he is the temple of the believers in Christ. You stated: "This simply has never happened, but is the future event Jesus was speaking of when He mentioned Daniel's abomination. MAKE NO MISTAKE" My reply: I fully agree with you that the abomination that maketh desolate is future. He is the little horn of Daniel's prophesy. I haven't made any mistake on that as I said I fully agree with you. You stated: "the 70th week of Daniel is still future" My reply: I partially agree with you in that the first half of Daniel's 70th week was for the coming of the Messiah, where by in the middle of that very same week he was crucified. As Daniel out it cut off. My agreement with you is that the remaining half of Daniel's 70th week is the entire new covenant age and the climax to the end of it, is when the abomination that maketh desolate, who is the man of sin is revealed in pomp and ceremony. So yes I am in partial agreement with you in that the ending of the Daniel's 70th week is future. You stated: "The 6th and 7th seals are still in our future. The trumpet judgments are still in our future. The vials are still in our future." My reply: Very good you are right on the money, I am in full agreement with you. You stated: "The trumpet judgments are still in our future" My reply: I fully agree with you that the trumpets sequentially follow the seals. You stated: "The vials are still in our future." My reply: Well done to you, I fully agree with you that the judgment vials are future WOES upon the remaining inhabitants of earth. These vials fall between the symbolic 1290 days, when the man of sin is revealed and those few elect who wait it out on earth in their protected chambers (Isaiah 26:20), until 1335 days. (Daniel 12:12). Daniel 12:12 And blessed are those (ELECT) who wait and remain until the end of the 1,335 days These elect are the last good wine to the wedding supper of the lamb of God as they were symbolised by the miracle that Jesus performed at the wedding at Galilee. How many times have I agree with you? Out of seven points that you made I agreed fully on 5 and partial on one. The one that I am unanimously in disagreement is that the antichrist will enter the new temple and declare to all that he is God. As you have gathered now I have more in common with you than a Preterist, so please don't incorrectly label me as one of them. Stay blessed

Christ comes for every departed faithful and this was the promise to raise them up on the last day in the earthly body. Is it secretly done? Yes off course, because it is written: 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. The message that Saint Paul was giving to the church within the context of the new covenant recipients in which the letter was addressed to. This means that Saint Paul was telling them that each of the believers will have their turn as far the the resurrection is concerned. So what dictates their turn one might say? 2 Timothy 4:6-8 6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. Saint Paul is saying he is ready to depart from this life, because he is ready to be killed. It is apparent that Saint Paul's day of execution was near and was known. That is why he comforts those who would continue living after his execution by saying the following: "the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing." Here Saint Paul provides the context of the Lord's secret appearing when he presents that his turn is coming very shortly when he is to be put to death. However he goes one step further by saying to the immediate recipients of his letter that THAT DAY is not only TO ME, but also to ALL (to the immediate recipients of this letters) who have longed for his appearing. It is plainly obvious that 1 Corinthians 15:23 "But each in turn" statement, is to the immediate recipients who lived in his time. This means that they each IN TURN will come to THAT DAY mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:6-8, when the faithful dies, then and only then do they secretly behold the appearing of The Lord that they so longed for. As far as Saint Paul is concerned in 2 Timothy 4:6-8, this happened to him, before those recipients in which his letter were intended for. The appearing of The Lord has happened to countless new covenant believers after they depart from the earthly life and will continue to happen when their last day and hour comes, to part from their earthly body.

Unfortunately for many Christians death comes before what ever end time layout that people want to make up in their own minds. The reality is that countless Christians have already passed from this earthly life, how is any end time layout important to them right now? I pray that common sense and logic prevails before we have another end time epidemic on our hands, where people themselves become the enemies of their own devices and lead the world into conflict once again. The end time layout should be called for many who condone such practices as end time WAR layout. This epidemic is bringing the world once again into conflict by those who do not know what they are doing or playing with. For example some people advertise end time layout like, Arabs attack Israel, Israel retaliates then Russia steps in and then America fights Russia and then we have the can of worms opened up once more, therefore the world bleeds again, for the sins of those who continue in this end time layout witch hunt. End time layout, it is the most insatiable hunger for blood, that has been played against humanity and we are seeing it unfold again and again. One final advice, lay off it!

The main reason why so many people in Europe lost faith in God is because they thought that somehow because they were Christians, that they would be pardoned from tribulation and much sorrow, yet it quickly dawned on them, much to their shock and horror that they were dying and had experienced horrendous events, that led then to doubt God's existence. It is this false teaching of being raptured and pardoned from tribulations / adversities in life, that has led many once devote Christians to throw in the towel so to speak to the devil and give up the fight and to join the ranks of the fallen of the world. This is why I preach what is the central theme to Christianity and that is to die in the name of The Lord, having kept the faith to the very end. We as Christians are to expect the worst that the world has to throw at us. If we don't then we are living a lie. The truth be told that we are here as sheep amongst the wolves and what happens to the sheep is that they are brought before the world for slaughter. The rally is to die in The Lord as martyrs and be counted worthy of his Christ's election and to NOT plant false hopes in people's minds of some RAPTURE OR pardoning from tribulations. Christians are head deep in tribulation today, as I write. Why do you people want to escape, just be prepared to die in The Lord and believe me you will not be left disappointed like the many Europeans who went through both world wars.

The soul who finishes the race and keeps the faith onto death will be reunited with the risen Lord having put on their second man from heaven spirit body (white angelic robe).

So we are to be found worthy to escape suffering and tribulation? Doesn't that run contrary to God's word? Calling the 70th week, seven years of wrath, skews your thinking. What support do you have for claiming there will be seven years of wrath before Christ returns? I see a sixth seal rapture, as I believe you do, but not until after the midpoint of the 70th week, after the saints have endured persecution. I don't think the term "escape" in Luke 21:36 is a reference to the rapture alone. “Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:34-36 The trap that's coming for those who aren't alert but weighed down with worldliness is the deception of the false prophet. By praying and watching we are strengthened to resist his rule and give our lives for Christ. By doing so, we are worthy to escape the wrath that is to follow. Those who are alive and remain are caught up, and likewise escape the wrath to come. What is to be escaped is God's wrath. It is escaped by martyrdom first and then by rapture for those that remain....as I see it. I see Luke 21:34-36 as Jacob's trouble, where the Jewish nation was surrounded by the armies, that would soon within the first century generation, bring destruction to Jerusalem, in 70AD. This message is to the first century Jewish generation as it states: "for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS PEOPLE." "THIS PEOPLE" are Jews of those times as it is related to Judea's impending destruction. This is Jacob's trouble. The verse below describes how the Jews after Jacob's trouble of 70AD are killed or taken captive. John who wrote Revelation was taken captive on the island of Patmos at this time, which was a Roman slave/labour colony. He secretly coded this event In Revelation as "BABYLON HAS FALLEN". The result of 70AD resulted in the diaspora of the Jews being spread into all the nations of the world. Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. The 70AD must have had some cosmic event that caused the waves of the oceans to roar like a tsunami. People of that time, due to these cosmic events thought that the world was coming to an end and so their hearts would be full of fear. The cosmic event must have been world wide, to have all nations unsettled in the way that brought them to fight to the bitter end with each other, as if nothing else mattered and that all was lost, as the spirit of impending doom was on everyone's heart, Luke 21:25-26 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Redemption came for the faithful who were taken, meaning they died. This is not a rapture as in pardoning from tribulation, but rather in Luke 21:24 only two options are presented in regard to some that will 1) fall by the edge of the sword, and other that 2) shall be led away captive into all nations. The ones taken away are no longer living amongst the living because they are killed, so in that respect their time is up and they are presented before the Son of Man who comes for them in a cloud (holy ones) with power and great glory. Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Looking up is what one does from a Jewish perspective and belief when they are ready to depart from this earthly life. If you recall in Acts 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, LOOKED UP to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. SO LOOKING UP was a Jewish custom when they were ready to depart from this earthly life. What happens when a fig tree shoots forth? It means that the fruit is ready for the picking, meaning they are taken away from the tree during the time of the harvest that is typically in summer. So one is left still remaining in their earthly body and the other taken, meaning harvested, which implies that the taken is no longer living in their earthly body but have died, in order to be taken as part of the great harvest of God. Luke 21:29-30 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. The central theme of Christianity is to be faithful onto death, there is no escape from death. This is the bitter cup of Christ that all faithful must drink from. The faithful within the condition of the blood covenant as witnesses need to sign of from this earthly realms with their own blood, otherwise, "where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." (Hebrews 9:16-17).

There is NOT ONE HINT in Rev. 7 that this great crowd died to get to heaven. You only THINK they died. On the contrary, some of them were RAPTURED, that is changed to a resurrection body without dying. (1 Cor. 15 and 1 Thes. 4 & 5) I congratulate you on one thing: many believe these are 70th week saints - those that died during the 70th week. But John has not yet even opened the 70th week. YOu seem to have a fixation on DEATH. I am fixed on Jesus Christ. I happen to BELIEVE Paul about the catching away of the church. I believe Jesus is coming for those WATCHING for His coming. Are you watching? Did you think the two angels were confused? When Jesus ascended, They said He would return in the same way. I showed you the verse where HIS FEET touch down in the mount of Olives, right where He ascended. If He comes the same way He left, it will be in His flesh and bone spiritual BODY that Thomas touched to believe. I know you think you have all this right, and it is I that must relearn everything (I guess to relearn so I agree with you in everything) but from one brother to another, Most of what I believe is found in commentaries on these verses. It has been the general idea throughout entire church history that one day Jesus would return and set up His millennial kingdom. In fact, this is just what the book of Revelation shows us. Sadly, many of the commentaries - not all, but many - think the Beast of Revelation was the ancient Roman Empire. I don't think they could be farther from the truth. However, I challenge you to read what the wise men of long ago thought about some of the scriptures you use. I like to use biblecc, the online parallel bible. If you just look at one verse, it will show you this verse in many translations, then show various commentaries on that verse. LAMAD Yes brother The Lord is coming for every faithful on that day and hour, when we as individual believers take our last breath in our earthly bodies. I agree and testify that he is coming, for our souls, so that he clothes it with the white robes of an angel, the second man that is from heaven. (1 Corinthians 15:47) The book of Acts is a sequence of chronological events. Acts 1 event is before Acts 7 and so on: Acts 1: 9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.” Saint Stephan testifies of what was said in Acts 1 above: Acts 7 55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep. So as promised The Lord Jesus came on Saint Stephan's last day and hour in the earthly body, to raise him up on the last day. Did Saint Stephan a man of Galilee behold the coming of The Lord? Yes and in accordance to what was said in Acts 1 above. Jesus is coming for you, to receive your souls and to cloth it with the resurrection spirit body. Saint Stephan said Lord Jesus receive my soul. The Lord Jesus is coming, for every new covenant man and women in turn when they die.

The 144,000 were sealed whilst the multitudes of gentile nations went through the great tribulation. They washed their robs and made them white by the blood of the lamb is an idiomatic saying that they finished the race and kept the faith unto death. 2 Timothy 4 6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

Please for Christ's sake diligently read the scriptures like the Bereans and search the truth yourselves. Don't cut and paste what others have told you, look at it from a fresh point of view, rather bringing in any biases to the meaning of scripture. Freely you have received and in that regard shall: The truth set you free, In reverend fear of The Lord, I say may Christ bless you brothers and sisters,

I will point you to very important versus form scripture that explains how believers in huge numbers are coming to Christ. Read these versus carefully, before I point out what they mean to the believers: Revelation 7:13-15 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. John is asked by the elder what are these people arrayed in white, who are the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9)? John doesn't know, so he asked the elder to explain it to him. The elder says these are ALL which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. As a result they NOW are before the throne of God and the Lamb dwells among them. It is clear that these are the gentile nations throughout the new covenant age that the everlasting gospel was preached to and they believed. What else happened to them after they believed in The Lord? They drank from the bitter cup of Christ by going through the Great Tribulation. This means that they faced all kinds of adversity throughout their lives. These are Christians throughout the centuries since the gospel was preached to them. What happen at the end of their life long adversity? THEY DIED! The verse states that they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, meaning they drank from the bitter cup of Christ and were faithful onto death. This is an idiom portraying that these huge multitudes are martyred for the sake of Christ. Once they are martyred, this means they died, then and only then are they brought before the throne of God and in the presence of The Lord who NOW dwells among them. What is one thing which symbolises the state of their being? They are ALL wearing WHITE RESURRECTION ROBES for the wedding supper of the Lamb. It is simple to understand that this great multitude first dies, then they are clothed in white (angelic/white cloud) post resurrection robes, then and only then are they brought before the throne of God and in the presence of The Lord. What is the central theme of Christianity? To be faithful onto death. Where is the context? Everywhere throughout scripture. Here is the central theme declared in Revelation of John also: Revelation 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, THAT SHOULD BE KILLED AS THEY WERE, SHOULD BE FULFILLED. THE CENTRAL THEME IS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL All faithful must drink from the bitter cup of Christ and they have to DIE in Christ, in order for the blood covenant to be consummated for that believer/witness. The blood covenant condition for every believer is fulfilled by the death of the witness, and this is the condition of the blood covenant, that we must first die before we are raised. For The Lord said I will raise you up on THE LAST DAY. That is your last day and hour in the earthly fleshly body. Hebrews 9:15-17 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL INHERITANCE. For where a testament is, THERE MUST ALSO OF NECESSITY BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. FOR IT IS WRITTEN A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER YOU DIE. YOU NEED TO SIGN OF FROM THIS EARTHLY REALM WITH YOUR OWN BLOOD. THIS IS THE BLOOD COVENANT, BLOOD TO BLOOD.

The flaws are only in your thinking, not in reality. Did you not read: "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." Death is conquered ONLY for those who receive their resurrection bodies. All do not receive this at the same time. As to what happens to those who die during the millennial reign of Christ, John does not tell us. We would only be guessing to come up with an answer. All I can say is, God will certainly be JUST. WHEN in John's narrative does the Holy City descend? Is it not AFTER the millennial reign of Christ? People fight dispensations, but they are REAL and they are laid out clearly in the bible. God deals differently with man during the millennium than during the 70th week and during the age of the church. If one tries to apply verses meant for the church age to the millennium, they will not fit. When Jesus speaks of no more tears, no more death, that is long AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ and the battle of God and Magog and then after the white throne judgment and even after the new heaven and new earth. WHEN is this great "reaping" you mention? We see a reaping (given as a prophecy of the future) in Rev. 14. But when exactly will God "reap?" His harvest will begin at the pretrib rapture of the church. Then, the 144,000 are changed near the midpoint of the week as firstfruits. Finally the Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. Many of the wicked are "harvested" in the winepress of God's wrath at the battle of Armageddon. Certainly those born during the millennium of Christ on earth that are righteous will be a part of God's "harvest," but John does not give us much information after that. LAMAD There are allot of inconsistencies in your chronological events. Please let me point them out in kindness and in love. Your dispensations are as follows: 1) Holy City New Jerusalem descends after Christ's earthly millennium reign. 2) Millennium is not the 70th week. 3) Battle of Gog and Magog after millennium reign. 4) no more tears and no more death is after the old earth and old heaven dissolve. 5) Reaping of the great harvest of God begins at the pre-trib rapture of the church. 6) 144,000 are changed at the mid-point of the 70th week as the first fruits of the harvest. 7) Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. 8) People are procreating and being born whilst Christ is ruling on earth during the millennium. Where do I start? Firstly New Jerusalem according to dispensationalism, is where the church comes back to earth with Christ, to reign with him. However you are saying that New Jerusalem descends after the millennium reign. There seems to be a huge discrepancy here that you can't resolve. Consider the versus below, where according to dispensationalism is the second coming of The Lord. Notice that the city New Jerusalem has already been established before his second coming when The Lord comes, he is coming down with the heavenly city. So you cannot separate Christ's second coming with the heavenly city new Jerusalem, because wherever he goes, the city follows him. According to your assertions which I numbered one to eight above, you have Christ coming to earth without the heavenly city new Jerusalem. I cannot repeat it enough but to have new Jerusalem coming at the end of the millennium is a major flaw. You have literally separated Christ from the Holy City that predates the second coming and predates the earthly millennium reign. Since the very mention of the hoy heavenly city is within the open letter to the seven churches. Why would it be mentioned to the church, if it doesn't even exist until after the millennium reign and after the new earth and new heavens come into being. Revelation 3:11-12 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. The millennium reign must be from the mid point of Daniel's 70th week because the remaining half of of Daniel's 70th week must be the great harvest of God and if you look at the above, you will also note that the battle of Gog and Magog is at the end of the 70th week. The first fruits (144,000) must be at the start of of the reaping of the harvest and not after the rapture of the church as you mentioned, otherwise the 144,000 would not be called the first fruits in the first place and also salvation would not have gone to the Jews first. The Old Testament saints must be the first to be raised as far as the reaping of the harvest of God is concerned for the living cannot hinder the dead from being raised and after all these Old Testament Saints were waiting for Christ's first and only advent to raise them up from their graves. Where Christ is, there the kingdom of God is, because it is written that he went up on high and sat on the right hand of power, meaning authority. So where ever Christ goes, the the Kingdom of God is with him. Since scripture cannot be broken the following verse rules out an earthly reign amongst FLESHY people who are procreating and dying around the glorified lord. 1 Corinthians 1:29 29That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. How can you put flesh, whoremongers and the dying before the presence of the glorified lord is what concerns me the most, especially about your dispensationalist eschatology, for it is written that no flesh can come into his presence. The only man that can come into his presence is that of the heavenly post resurrection one. What I am saying is scriptural and cannot be broken. Read and try to understand the following: Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Understand that Christ is sinless and the verse applies to the believer, who was born from an earthly mother, inheriting the sin of Adam. The second time the believer is presented before the The Lord, is without sin and this second time is a post resurrection form as one of the many holy ones that accompany Christ as the symbolic white cloud. He will only appear to those who have put off the sinful flesh and put on the sinless heavenly post resurrection spirit body. We can only behold the appearing or presence of The Lord after we are born the second time, through the resurrection of the dead. We have to put off the corruptible and put on incorruption and in that regard we are being presented to him the second time without sin. The fleshy world will never behold the presence of The Lord, never! You are using human reasoning. Let's go by the bible, not by what you think or imagine dispensational though is. I believe in dispensations, yet, I have never heard your theory. The New Jerusalem does NOT descend during the 1000 year reign of Christ. John shows us that it is after this heaven and earth are destroyed and we have a NEW heaven and earth. This is not a "discrepancy," it is the truth of scripture. No one should be looking for the Holy City to descend during the millennial reign of Christ. He will have an earthly temple built in Jerusalem then. Your theories are so far from the normal teachings of the church, I don't wish to go any further. I challenge you to just forget the dispensational teachings you have heard, and just study the bible. It is like you are trying to compare post trib doctrine with pretrib doctrine: of course we know these two are diametrically opposed and "neither the twain shall meet." Let me ask you: do you read in Revelation that there is a new heaven and a new earth before you read of the Holy City descending? Maybe your bible is different. One more thought: did you forget that Jesus stood in the upper room AFTER He rose from the dead and received His glorified body, and the disciples did not burn up? Did you forget how He walked with the two on the road, and they did not burn up? OF COURSE Jesus will be on earth for His Mellennial Reign. He will appoint David as the King. I am not sure he will be here on earth 24/7, but He will certainly come and be anointed as it is written: He will RULE with a rod of iron. LAMAD I have no ulterior motive neither earthly agendas all I am concerned about is the word of God and what is testified. Just to reply on what you have stated on how "The Lord appeared in his post resurrection body and that no one was burnt up." The Lord himself said that I must go before I can send the Comforter who will be both advocate on my behalf and represent me on earth. He said that the Holy Spirit will always be with the believer. It is important to listen to what Jesus said: John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. The Lord is not coming back because the Holy Ghost is here to stay as advocate and representative on his behalf. The only person that comes riding on a horse and destroys his enemies and makes believers out of the non believers, by a display of power and aggression is the devil himself pretending to be Messiah, who is the little horn of Daniel's revelation., Jesus said to the faithful that the world will never see me again and that the prince of this world is coming after I leave for good, because I am sending the Comforter and I can no longer come back, because the Holy Ghost from now on is the advocate that will never leave you and who represents me in Spirit on earth. John 14:30-31 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD IS COMING, and hath nothing in me. But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. The Holy Spirit is here to stay and will have his men as the last men standing on earth, before the destruction of the world by the judgement vials. Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS HERE TO STAY THEREFORE RULING OUT ANY EARTHLY MANIFESTATION OF MESSIAH. Obviously there is something terribly wrong in your interpretation, because Jesus SAID He would return. In just a couple of minutes of searching I found 59 verses about Jesus coming again to the earth. They are there if you care to look. The question is, can you read them without preconceived glasses on? Here is one of my favorites: Zechariah 14:3-5King James Version (KJV) 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. This will happen on the day that He returns. Did you forget about these verses? it is HIS return to earth: Rev. 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. These two passages, the one in Zech. and in Rev. detail His return to earth. There are perhaps 50 more verses that speak of His coming. I am very puzzled then that you struggle so with the idea that HE WILL COME AGAIN. THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS HERE TO STAY THEREFORE RULING OUT ANY EARTHLY MANIFESTATION OF MESSIAH. WHO SAID? That is only your theory. OF COURSE He will stay with those in whom He has indwelt, but Paul tells us the day is coming when those who are ALIVE will be changed and John 14 tells us we will be escorted to heaven. So the Holy Spirit will certainly GO WITH those who are caught up to heaven. He came on the day of Pentecost so that those IN CHRIST could be filled with the Holy Spirit. It is my belief that on the day of the rapture, He will return back to the throne room of heaven, and life here will be just as it was before He came, for the church age will be OVER. You do realize, don't you, that this age we are living in will soon END? I love those verses on the Holy Spirit, for I had been born again for 13 years and knew NOTHING about the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Thank GOD I started dating a girl who went to such a church. My first time there I sensed something I had never seen before: the anointing! I WANTED IT! I wanted HIM! So I was filled with the Holy Spirit when I was 20 years old. I work hard to STAY filled. But the day will come when I will be caught up, and He will go with me. LAMAD Jesus did not say he will return in the post resurrection body he arose with, his return is in context to making his abode with us in spirit, when he told his disciples, you in me and I in you. Jesus said that the world will never see him again. The versus that has The Lord returning are all taken out of context. By now you should have ample testimony from me to discern that the post resurrection form of The Lord and the Holy Spirit can not be both present on earth, but you see you are not willing to accept this truth, because you have already committed yourself to a doctrine that is based on hear say and a misinterpretation of scripture. The perfect example is the one of not knowing the day or hour The Lord comes. The other is all eyes will see him, the other is as one other person quoted from Acts 1. You need basic 101 theology lesson to build a solid foundation of scripture rather than using one liners quoted from scripture to fit your theories. For example your willing to ignore that throughout scripture the central theme is to be faithful onto death. Saint Paul puts it plainly that to be away from the earthly body is to be present with The Lord. This very simple distinction is totally ignored because it doesn't fit your theory. Listen death is what separates us from being reunited with The Lord and we need to enter in through the resurrection to be clothed with the celestial body from heaven in order to be presented before The Lord the second time without sin. You can not come into the kingdom of Christ with your earthly flesh. I tell you many are treating this earthly coming like Santa Claus and I tell you the truth Santa Claus will come. Did I spell it correctly, I said Satan Claus will come, you hear friends. The prince of the world is the one who is coming. The real Messiah is drawing you onto him, where he is there you will also be. This can only be possible if you as TESTATORS, first die, then be judged to be counted worthy to be clothed with the heavenly spirit body and then and only then can you enter the wedding supper of the lamb. So much knowledge has been given to you, please unlearn what you think you know and become like a child and learn again with an open mind.

What other versus do you have to tie scripture with scripture or is that only a one liner quoted out of context. Think about it, where is the back born of your theology to make a claim based on one verse alone, really come on think about! The chances are, that you have not understood the context of that verse you just quoted me. Do you really want to know the context of the verse?

It is normal for a creature who has a beginning to not have the mental capacity to understand how a creator has no beginning. How can a finite being bound by time and space understand how the creator who created time and space exists without any bounds. The Living Word is, he just is and we have trouble understanding our own finite position let alone trying to understand matters outside of our own time and space boundaries. I think we need to humble ourselves and just learn to accept how small we really are in the scope of things.

The flaws are only in your thinking, not in reality. Did you not read: "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." Death is conquered ONLY for those who receive their resurrection bodies. All do not receive this at the same time. As to what happens to those who die during the millennial reign of Christ, John does not tell us. We would only be guessing to come up with an answer. All I can say is, God will certainly be JUST. WHEN in John's narrative does the Holy City descend? Is it not AFTER the millennial reign of Christ? People fight dispensations, but they are REAL and they are laid out clearly in the bible. God deals differently with man during the millennium than during the 70th week and during the age of the church. If one tries to apply verses meant for the church age to the millennium, they will not fit. When Jesus speaks of no more tears, no more death, that is long AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ and the battle of God and Magog and then after the white throne judgment and even after the new heaven and new earth. WHEN is this great "reaping" you mention? We see a reaping (given as a prophecy of the future) in Rev. 14. But when exactly will God "reap?" His harvest will begin at the pretrib rapture of the church. Then, the 144,000 are changed near the midpoint of the week as firstfruits. Finally the Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. Many of the wicked are "harvested" in the winepress of God's wrath at the battle of Armageddon. Certainly those born during the millennium of Christ on earth that are righteous will be a part of God's "harvest," but John does not give us much information after that. LAMAD There are allot of inconsistencies in your chronological events. Please let me point them out in kindness and in love. Your dispensations are as follows: 1) Holy City New Jerusalem descends after Christ's earthly millennium reign. 2) Millennium is not the 70th week. 3) Battle of Gog and Magog after millennium reign. 4) no more tears and no more death is after the old earth and old heaven dissolve. 5) Reaping of the great harvest of God begins at the pre-trib rapture of the church. 6) 144,000 are changed at the mid-point of the 70th week as the first fruits of the harvest. 7) Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. 8) People are procreating and being born whilst Christ is ruling on earth during the millennium. Where do I start? Firstly New Jerusalem according to dispensationalism, is where the church comes back to earth with Christ, to reign with him. However you are saying that New Jerusalem descends after the millennium reign. There seems to be a huge discrepancy here that you can't resolve. Consider the versus below, where according to dispensationalism is the second coming of The Lord. Notice that the city New Jerusalem has already been established before his second coming when The Lord comes, he is coming down with the heavenly city. So you cannot separate Christ's second coming with the heavenly city new Jerusalem, because wherever he goes, the city follows him. According to your assertions which I numbered one to eight above, you have Christ coming to earth without the heavenly city new Jerusalem. I cannot repeat it enough but to have new Jerusalem coming at the end of the millennium is a major flaw. You have literally separated Christ from the Holy City that predates the second coming and predates the earthly millennium reign. Since the very mention of the hoy heavenly city is within the open letter to the seven churches. Why would it be mentioned to the church, if it doesn't even exist until after the millennium reign and after the new earth and new heavens come into being. Revelation 3:11-12 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. The millennium reign must be from the mid point of Daniel's 70th week because the remaining half of of Daniel's 70th week must be the great harvest of God and if you look at the above, you will also note that the battle of Gog and Magog is at the end of the 70th week. The first fruits (144,000) must be at the start of of the reaping of the harvest and not after the rapture of the church as you mentioned, otherwise the 144,000 would not be called the first fruits in the first place and also salvation would not have gone to the Jews first. The Old Testament saints must be the first to be raised as far as the reaping of the harvest of God is concerned for the living cannot hinder the dead from being raised and after all these Old Testament Saints were waiting for Christ's first and only advent to raise them up from their graves. Where Christ is, there the kingdom of God is, because it is written that he went up on high and sat on the right hand of power, meaning authority. So where ever Christ goes, the the Kingdom of God is with him. Since scripture cannot be broken the following verse rules out an earthly reign amongst FLESHY people who are procreating and dying around the glorified lord. 1 Corinthians 1:29 29That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. How can you put flesh, whoremongers and the dying before the presence of the glorified lord is what concerns me the most, especially about your dispensationalist eschatology, for it is written that no flesh can come into his presence. The only man that can come into his presence is that of the heavenly post resurrection one. What I am saying is scriptural and cannot be broken. Read and try to understand the following: Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Understand that Christ is sinless and the verse applies to the believer, who was born from an earthly mother, inheriting the sin of Adam. The second time the believer is presented before the The Lord, is without sin and this second time is a post resurrection form as one of the many holy ones that accompany Christ as the symbolic white cloud. He will only appear to those who have put off the sinful flesh and put on the sinless heavenly post resurrection spirit body. We can only behold the appearing or presence of The Lord after we are born the second time, through the resurrection of the dead. We have to put off the corruptible and put on incorruption and in that regard we are being presented to him the second time without sin. The fleshy world will never behold the presence of The Lord, never! You are using human reasoning. Let's go by the bible, not by what you think or imagine dispensational though is. I believe in dispensations, yet, I have never heard your theory. The New Jerusalem does NOT descend during the 1000 year reign of Christ. John shows us that it is after this heaven and earth are destroyed and we have a NEW heaven and earth. This is not a "discrepancy," it is the truth of scripture. No one should be looking for the Holy City to descend during the millennial reign of Christ. He will have an earthly temple built in Jerusalem then. Your theories are so far from the normal teachings of the church, I don't wish to go any further. I challenge you to just forget the dispensational teachings you have heard, and just study the bible. It is like you are trying to compare post trib doctrine with pretrib doctrine: of course we know these two are diametrically opposed and "neither the twain shall meet." Let me ask you: do you read in Revelation that there is a new heaven and a new earth before you read of the Holy City descending? Maybe your bible is different. One more thought: did you forget that Jesus stood in the upper room AFTER He rose from the dead and received His glorified body, and the disciples did not burn up? Did you forget how He walked with the two on the road, and they did not burn up? OF COURSE Jesus will be on earth for His Mellennial Reign. He will appoint David as the King. I am not sure he will be here on earth 24/7, but He will certainly come and be anointed as it is written: He will RULE with a rod of iron. LAMAD I have no ulterior motive neither earthly agendas all I am concerned about is the word of God and what is testified. Just to reply on what you have stated on how "The Lord appeared in his post resurrection body and that no one was burnt up." The Lord himself said that I must go before I can send the Comforter who will be both advocate on my behalf and represent me on earth. He said that the Holy Spirit will always be with the believer. It is important to listen to what Jesus said: John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. The Lord is not coming back because the Holy Ghost is here to stay as advocate and representative on his behalf. The only person that comes riding on a horse and destroys his enemies and makes believers out of the non believers, by a display of power and aggression is the devil himself pretending to be Messiah, who is the little horn of Daniel's revelation., Jesus said to the faithful that the world will never see me again and that the prince of this world is coming after I leave for good, because I am sending the Comforter and I can no longer come back, because the Holy Ghost from now on is the advocate that will never leave you and who represents me in Spirit on earth. John 14:30-31 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the PRINCE OF THIS WORLD IS COMING, and hath nothing in me. But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. The Holy Spirit is here to stay and will have his men as the last men standing on earth, before the destruction of the world by the judgement vials. Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS HERE TO STAY THEREFORE RULING OUT ANY EARTHLY MANIFESTATION OF MESSIAH.

All eyes shall see him is within the context of the central theme which is death (the thief). Death presents the person to his maker for judgement, for it is written each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment (Hebrews 9:27). The common theme of "As it was in the days of Noah" is death, for they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. Where did they go? They died. It is the thief (death) that took them away by destroying their earthly house (body) on a day and hour they knew not. Death becomes the central theme to the coming of the Son of Man for that particular individual who departs to be brought before The Lord for judgement. As it is written every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God (Romans 14:11). This confession is within the context of judgement after a person dies, therefore the coming of the Son of Man has happened for that individual. Read below: Matthew 24:37-39 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." Where is one taken to? Again just like in the days of Noah death is what took them away. This is a Jewish idiomatic statement. The one left is still alove and the other is taken, meaning they died. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." What does Jesus mean by the above statement? He warning the faithful to keep vigilant in faith until death, for you do not know when you will die, because when you die on that day your Lord will come for you. "But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." Who is the owner of the house and what is the house that Jesus is alluding to? You are the owner of that house and that house is your earthly tent, that is, your body. The thief is a metaphor for death. The thief breaking your house is death destroying your body. Jesus is saying be watchful in faith and keep the faith because you really don't know when you will die, because when you die, you are going to be presented before me for judgement. This is the context of the coming of the Son of Man when you least expect him. Now read carefully: Matthew 24:48-51 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Even the wicked servant who lives life like they don't care and when death (the thief) suddenly takes them, they are present before The Lord for judgement. Now very important what happens then? There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So again I must reiterate no one can come before The Lord until they first die, then they will come before him for judgement. Notice the versus below highlight that those departed are immediately separated from his sheep and there the wicked will weep and gnash their teeth, whilst the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their father. This is after death and not before and notice that the righteous are shining like the son, implying that they have out on their celestial post resurrection bodies of angels. Matthew 13:41-43 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear. All eyes shall see him is within the context of the central theme which is death (the thief). oh, really? Rev. 15 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.John 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. This is not speaking fo death at all, but His coming to set up His millennial kingdom. Your theory WRONG again. LAMAD I believe the context of every eye shall see him is when a person dies. Let us study the two versus you provided. Please read the verse below and we will discuss it: 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. John is saying that he does not know what it shall be like. In what context? The context is post resurrection. John is saying that he doesn't know what we shall be like in context to the post resurrection form. So the opening is already indicating a post resurrection context. When does that happen? When we first die to face judgement and be counted worthy to receive our eternal crown of righteousness, when we are clothed with our heavenly post resurrection bodies. So John is saying that when we take on this form to be like Christ, then and only then shall he appear to us. So that when we have put on immortality which is the post resurrection celestial body of an angel, then and only then can we see Christ's post resurrection form. Question: Can a human see an angel who is in the third heaven, within the angelic realm? No. So in order to see The Lord we must have the interface which is the post resurrection body. Therefore the earthly body is not able to behold the appearance of The Lord. This is the true context of 1 John 3:2. We can only put on immortality if our earthly bodies first dies. Now let us read the other verse you provided: Zechariah 12:10 (John 19:37) And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirita of grace and supplication. They will look onb me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. You forgot the context: Zechariah 12:7-9 7“The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. 9On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. "The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first" This poetic language is declaring that salvation came to the Old Covenant Jews (Judah) first who were waiting in Abraham's Bosom in paradise for the Messiah to come and raise them and to bring them into their HEAVENLY DWELLING. "so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah." The honour of the house of David and of Jerusalem (neither Jew, Greek or gentile) who represent the New Covenant Saints are not greater than the first fruits (144,000) of the great harvest of God who are the Old Covenant house Judah, who were the first to be redeemed from amongst men and saved in their heavenly dwellings. "On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them." On that day is associated with the heavenly kingdom, that is shielded by The Lord of the house of David and Jerusalem (new covenant saints). These shielded ones are already in Christ's heavenly barn for they are declared as being THE ANGEL OF THE LORD before them. This declares that these are all the new covenant redeemed who have entered in through the resurrection as the many ANGELS OF THE LORD, who are the symbol of the white cloud mentioned in Rev. 1:7. The Lord is already being pictured as being with his heavenly host and this applies to both past (house of Judah being the first to be raised) and present (house of David and Jerusalem New Covenant raised) and future of those in the outer unmeasured court of the unbelieving world at large where the two symbolic witnesses are preaching the everlasting gospel for the last almost 2000 years. "On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem." This is figurative poetic language that is a word of condemnation to those who stand against the two witnesses of the new covenant who preach the gospel. So God has his heavenly barn which is his measured angelic hosts of heaven, meaning counted numbers of redeemed throughout the resurrection who are present with him, and there is the extended Jerusalem who are symbolised by the two witnesses (those who hold the testimony of Jesus) who preach the gospel in the outer unmeasured court of the unbelieving world at large. "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son." New covenant believers who pass from the earthly life to the heavenly life to be immediately with Christ as the angels of The Lord are said to: Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. This mourning is a symbol of empathy to the Christ by taking up their own cross and being faithful onto death, for this is the central theme of Christianity, that is to be faithful onto death. We cannot behold the post resurrection appearance of The Lord unless we are presented before him the second time without sin: Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. The first time we were born from an earthly mother inheriting the sin of Adam, therefore the second time without sin is when we are resurrected in our immortal bodies after death, to be presented before The Lord as one of the many holy ones (white angelic cloud) that he comes with. So no eye can behold the appearing of The Lord unless we become like him and that means we must die first then be raised in the form of an angel (white cloud) to be forever with The Lord. Your logic is faulty. Did the disciples see Jesus after He rose from the dead? Yes, He had His resurrection body at the time, but suddenly just appeared in the upper room. Did Mary see the angels? Did Mary See Jesus? When Jesus ascended, did those present see the angels? Yes Yes Yes, many times in scripture people have SEEN angels. God can open our eyes to see angels, or I could say it this way: God can make angels visible. Or angels can make themselves visible when it is the will of God they be seen. Did you forget about entertaining angels unawares? Angels can look like people. I agree with you on the 1 John scripture, for it says when He appears. That is when we change and put on our resurrection body. Good point on that scripture. But there will be billions of unsaved people who will also see Him when He appears, people still in their natural bodies.Question: Can a human see an angel who is in the third heaven, within the angelic realm? WRong question: Jesus is coming to EARTH where every eye shall see him. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, This is speaking of the moment of His coming. You missed the true timing: Zech. wrote ON THAT DAY. It will be ON THAT DAY that Judah gets saved first. It is the day of the Battle of Armageddon, the day Jesus returns to earth. He will be very busy on that day! But His bride will be WITH HIM (He comes with ten thousand of His saints). I think it very likely that we and the angels will be helping Him on that day. It will be ON THAT DAY that they see whom they pierced. He will come and rescue them from sure death. They are still in their natural bodies and will remain so for the 1000 year reign of Christ. Perhaps you should look up that verse "every eye shall see Him" in the commentaries. I have to preach today so have no time. LAMAD I want to thank you fir your reply. The only thing that is ignored by your theory of a future earthly millenium reign, is you need the commencement of the reaping of the great harvest of God when this happens.the resurrection of the dead is not a one time even but one that encompasses the millenium reign. If the reaping of the great harvest of God is during the millenium then if Christ is on earth, where are the mortal departed going when they put on the incorruptible heavenly body? Since the dead do not hinder the departed, then you have a real problem that is not resolved, that is the dead are being raised during this time and are being clothed with the celestial bodies. If the resurrection does happen at Christ's second coming, then it must signal the long awaited resurrection of the dead right? Since the white cloud he comes with are his resurrected saints who have put on the celestial post resurrection bodies, then the mortal faithful who die in the Lord from that point onwards are also being raised in their celestial post resurrection bodies. However where do they go, since Christ is on earth reigning for the millenium. I believe the whole pre-dispensationalist doctrine is based on many unresolvable faulty premises. How could you place the glorified Christ reigning in earth when mortals are running around procreating and dying around Him, this is far from glorious for the God of Abraham is the God of the living and not the dead. Just think about it how could it be declared that he will wipe every tear and there will be no more death, only to have mortals dying of around Him. This contradicting is unresolvable. Rev 21:2-4 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:for the former things are passed away. (KJV) Notice New Jerusalem which is inhabited by the white cloud, Christ's saints, the Holy ones mentioned in Zechariah come with Christ and his dwelling will be with man. So this statement is followed in context to the wiping away of all tears and the declaration of no more death. The arguments that I have presented above proove that there are major flaws in your theory. The flaws are only in your thinking, not in reality. Did you not read: "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." Death is conquered ONLY for those who receive their resurrection bodies. All do not receive this at the same time. As to what happens to those who die during the millennial reign of Christ, John does not tell us. We would only be guessing to come up with an answer. All I can say is, God will certainly be JUST. WHEN in John's narrative does the Holy City descend? Is it not AFTER the millennial reign of Christ? People fight dispensations, but they are REAL and they are laid out clearly in the bible. God deals differently with man during the millennium than during the 70th week and during the age of the church. If one tries to apply verses meant for the church age to the millennium, they will not fit. When Jesus speaks of no more tears, no more death, that is long AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ and the battle of God and Magog and then after the white throne judgment and even after the new heaven and new earth. WHEN is this great "reaping" you mention? We see a reaping (given as a prophecy of the future) in Rev. 14. But when exactly will God "reap?" His harvest will begin at the pretrib rapture of the church. Then, the 144,000 are changed near the midpoint of the week as firstfruits. Finally the Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. Many of the wicked are "harvested" in the winepress of God's wrath at the battle of Armageddon. Certainly those born during the millennium of Christ on earth that are righteous will be a part of God's "harvest," but John does not give us much information after that. LAMAD There are allot of inconsistencies in your chronological events. Please let me point them out in kindness and in love. Your dispensations are as follows: 1) Holy City New Jerusalem descends after Christ's earthly millennium reign. 2) Millennium is not the 70th week. 3) Battle of Gog and Magog after millennium reign. 4) no more tears and no more death is after the old earth and old heaven dissolve. 5) Reaping of the great harvest of God begins at the pre-trib rapture of the church. 6) 144,000 are changed at the mid-point of the 70th week as the first fruits of the harvest. 7) Old Testament saints are raised at the 7th vial that ends the week. 8) People are procreating and being born whilst Christ is ruling on earth during the millennium. Where do I start? Firstly New Jerusalem according to dispensationalism, is where the church comes back to earth with Christ, to reign with him. However you are saying that New Jerusalem descends after the millennium reign. There seems to be a huge discrepancy here that you can't resolve. Consider the versus below, where according to dispensationalism is the second coming of The Lord. Notice that the city New Jerusalem has already been established before his second coming when The Lord comes, he is coming down with the heavenly city. So you cannot separate Christ's second coming with the heavenly city new Jerusalem, because wherever he goes, the city follows him. According to your assertions which I numbered one to eight above, you have Christ coming to earth without the heavenly city new Jerusalem. I cannot repeat it enough but to have new Jerusalem coming at the end of the millennium is a major flaw. You have literally separated Christ from the Holy City that predates the second coming and predates the earthly millennium reign. Since the very mention of the hoy heavenly city is within the open letter to the seven churches. Why would it be mentioned to the church, if it doesn't even exist until after the millennium reign and after the new earth and new heavens come into being. Revelation 3:11-12 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. The millennium reign must be from the mid point of Daniel's 70th week because the remaining half of of Daniel's 70th week must be the great harvest of God and if you look at the above, you will also note that the battle of Gog and Magog is at the end of the 70th week. The first fruits (144,000) must be at the start of of the reaping of the harvest and not after the rapture of the church as you mentioned, otherwise the 144,000 would not be called the first fruits in the first place and also salvation would not have gone to the Jews first. The Old Testament saints must be the first to be raised as far as the reaping of the harvest of God is concerned for the living cannot hinder the dead from being raised and after all these Old Testament Saints were waiting for Christ's first and only advent to raise them up from their graves. Where Christ is, there the kingdom of God is, because it is written that he went up on high and sat on the right hand of power, meaning authority. So where ever Christ goes, the the Kingdom of God is with him. Since scripture cannot be broken the following verse rules out an earthly reign amongst FLESHY people who are procreating and dying around the glorified lord. 1 Corinthians 1:29 29That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. How can you put flesh, whoremongers and the dying before the presence of the glorified lord is what concerns me the most, especially about your dispensationalist eschatology, for it is written that no flesh can come into his presence. The only man that can come into his presence is that of the heavenly post resurrection one. What I am saying is scriptural and cannot be broken. Read and try to understand the following: Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Understand that Christ is sinless and the verse applies to the believer, who was born from an earthly mother, inheriting the sin of Adam. The second time the believer is presented before the The Lord, is without sin and this second time is a post resurrection form as one of the many holy ones that accompany Christ as the symbolic white cloud. He will only appear to those who have put off the sinful flesh and put on the sinless heavenly post resurrection spirit body. We can only behold the appearing or presence of The Lord after we are born the second time, through the resurrection of the dead. We have to put off the corruptible and put on incorruption and in that regard we are being presented to him the second time without sin. The fleshy world will never behold the presence of The Lord, never!

Thank you for noting I had absolutely no idea that I have unconsciously continued to testify of the same pertinent point.

In Jewish or Semitic culture to ask someone to do something on your behalf is to ask it in their name. Let us say for example a catholic asking a Saint like Mary, they would ask in her name, or if they asked let us say Saint George, then they are asking in his name. A persons name is his honour and asking someone in their name, you are honouring them. The question then becomes, at which point does honouring a created being become worship? When you in your heart venerate that name, then it becomes internalised in your being and therefore is an abominable form of worship, because you as a believer are projecting yourself to that person as if your whole life depended on them. The question is, can that person that you depend on by honouring their name, save you? I believe that most rational people would say they can not save you. So what is the big deal about asking someone that does not have the authority to save you, do you go indirectly to the source of life and ask one of his servants, or do you go directly to the source of life and ask him yourself. What did The Lord say? John 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Again the use of a persons name is to honour that person, but The Lord here is demanding that you ask him directly. There is no back door or side door in asking The Lord. If you are sincere you need to ask him directly for he has commanded you. Then Jesus repeats the instruction again: John 14:14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. Then following this very important instruction he declares the following: John 14:15 15“If you love me, keep my commands So it is a commandment to ask him and if you thought it was optional, think again. There is no asking him using another name other than his name. According to this statement if a person asks Saint Mary, then they are disobeying Christ's commands. If you loved someone so much, do you send someone else to ask them on your behalf or is that person that you want to tell, how much you love, requires that you tell them directly yourself. How embarrassing it would be to send someone else on your behalf, it would look like a half concerted effort and lacking in sincerity. Jesus said to use his name and if you truly love him you would obey his commands, for it is that simple brothers and sisters. Luke 11:9-13 9“So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 11“Which of you fathers, if your son asks forf a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” You are required to ask him, so that he through his Holy Spirit can led you into all truth and to provide for your needs as his child, So go to him directly.

Absolutely, when the faithful in Christ die, they are immediately in the twinkling of an eye raised as angels. 1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 1 Corinthians 15:46-49 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. The post resurrection body is angelic and not earthly or of the flesh but is the second man from the heaven (celestial). So yes Zechariah talks about angels and these angels had once the first man of the earth body. When they died and were raised they entered into the wedding supper of the lamb of God having the appropriate angelic garment for the wedding. Matthew 22:11-14 11“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless. 13“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

The reaping of the great harvest of God commenced when Christ arose and opened the tombs of the Old Covenant Saints and took them with him into their heavenly promised land New Jerusalem. The entire new covenant age until the end encompasses the reaping of the great harvest of God, where the faithful who die in The Lord will not sleep, but will in a twinkling of an eye be changed into the second man from heaven, that is the post resurrection form. Therefore the living shall not prevent those who have passed from this earthly life from being immediately raised. This is why Jesus said some standing here will not taste death if they happen to be alive to witness the Son of Man entering into his heavenly kingdom that was prophesied in Daniel 2:44. Saint Paul also comforted the recipients of his letters that they will not sleep but will be raised in a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet call upon death of the flesh. Also in John's revelation the following declaration was made: Revelation 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them. The above declaration is in sequence to the following events: 1) Christ the forerunner to the resurrection of the dead 2) the first fruits (144,000) who are the Old Covenant Saints who were asleep in Abraham's Bosom (paradise) Revelation 14:3-4 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. In sequence after the first fruits are the first to be reaped from the great harvest of God, then followed in sequence the angel messages are as follows: 3) The everlasting gospel goes out to the gentile nations of the world Revelation 14:6 6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 4) Babylon is fallen 5) Message of warning to those still living in the flesh Revelation 14:9 9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 6) God the Holy Spirit declares the commencement of the resurrection of the dead Revelation 14:13 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. The vision of heaven after commencement of The Harvest of the Earth 7) Christ is pictured with his raised old covenant saints (144,000) as the white cloud. Revelation 14:14 14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 8) An angels cry to begin the reaping of the great harvest of God for the new covenant saints (from all nations of the world). These are those who washed their robes and made them white by the blood of the lamb as declared by the elder in chapter 7. Revelation 14:15 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 9) The time of the reaping of the harvest commences when The Lord who sits on the white cloud (holy ones) throws his sickle on the earth. Revelation 14:16 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. This is the time of the harvest: Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'" 10) The time of the harvest was initiated by Christ after he arose and conquered death Revelation 14:18 18And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. Very important to note that the everlasting gospel goes out after the 144,000 were the first to be reaped from the great harvest of God and this immediately was followed in sequence by the urgency to reap from the harvest because it is ripe. All of chapter 14 encompasses the time of the harvest from the first fruits being reaped right until the last new covenant believer who dies so that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them, meaning they do not suffer death but are immediately raised in the incorruptible second man of heaven.