Giantbear7

Q3: Did any discern how the actual end and a certain beginning is also included within those 10 verses? I think you have it in reverse, it is the beginning that leads up to an ending. So early versus are the beginning and the end versus project towards the end. Say for example some one declares from now on it is illegal to chew gum. So for future generations chewing gum would lead to a rebellion against the law by no longer considering chewing gum as illegal. This is why apostasy or falling away happens from the declaration in the early versus leading up to the end where a false religious system becomes the lamb like false prophet that leads many to destruction. I would presume that the false prophet of religious system existed in John's time: 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. So the falling away started happening almost 2000 years ago and it will climax to full fledged apostasy. Daniel 8:23 "In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. The head of the end of days religious enterprise will seal the nail in the coffins of those that follow him, for he is the man of sin.

I believe a lot of sincere believers are taking the word rapture completely out of context. Jesus gave an example of what it will be like when someone is taken away. He said two will be in the field and one will be taken and the other left. He also likened the taking away or rapture as in the days of Noah where the flood came and took them away. The context should be clear to people, but I don't understand why people can't understand that the context of taking away is bing taken out of this earthly existence by death itself. Don't you think that death is what took those people who were eating, drinking and marrying in Noah's days? Of course death took them away. The one in the field who is taken away is highlighting that their earthly body dies. Rationale thinking is what is required without brining in preconcieved beliefs of a pardoning away from death. I think people have taken rapture to mean that first death is pardoned as if to say that they have a get out of death free pass. Let me make it clear with scripture as the second witness, everyone must die, all men are destined to die once, even the very last remaining elect who are translated will have their earthly bodies dissolved in a flash.

Yes, the seraphim have six wings, and the cherubim have four wings. The description of Ezekiel 1 seems to be the same as in Ezekiel 10 which are called cherubim. Ezekiel 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.Ezekiel 10:15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.Ezekiel 10:16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.Ezekiel 10:17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.Ezekiel 10:18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. Ezekiel 1:6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. Ezekiel 1:7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. Ezekiel 1:8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. Ezekiel 1:9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward. Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. Ezekiel 1:11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. Man: intelligence Lion: majestic Bull: strength Eagle: sovereignty above all

circular reasoning! Built on a faulty premise. Try again because it doesn't match with scripture. Giantbear7 It is Scripture. Absolute Scripture. 70 Sevens are decreed. No split halves (not Scriptural in any form). In Christ Montana Marv Just think a moment on what u are saying and use the same preposition for the 69 weeks as well as the 70th week. I agree 100% on a literal 69 weeks that signalled the building up of Jerusalem in troublous times for the coming of Messiah. If you use the same preposition as a literal interpretation, then you can not have the 70th week as a future 2000 years and counting literal time frame. You simply are adjusting the goal posts and using an IF THEN statement as far as the 70th week is concerned. This IF THEN statement as I mentioned before is ur circular reasoning. This is not scriptural. What you are doing here is mathematical preposition that is not balanced in any shape or form. Let us say when Messiah came this signalled timeline zero. It is like saying the following: 69 + 1 = ? + 69 You are saying according to IF THEN premise, that ? Is a different literal number like for example a number offset by 2000+ years. This goes against the chronological nature of Daniel's 70 weeks which does not have an IF THEN premise for the 70th week. It is a simple mathematical balancing act across the equal sign which is represented by the zero timeline when Messiah came. This is a mathematical misconception that you have introduced and it no longer becomes a linear equation but a fragmented timeline that is not chronological because of your faulty premises regarding the six conditions that were sealed by the anointing of the most Holy who is Jesus Christ. These conditions are not an OR statement but an AND statement that all needed to hold true sequentially before the anointing of the Most Holy. It is like saying: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and Most Holy This is scriptural and I must say that based on this chronological sequence that made the above sequence hold true for all six conditions, therefore literally fulfilled the 70th week right there and then by the anointing of the Most Holy. How do we know this soem might say? He will confirm the blood covenant with many in one week (70th week) and cause all sacrifices to end. Why all sacrifices end is because the Lord became the sacrifice to end all sacrifices as far as God is concerned. So the remaining half of Daniel's 70th week must be a for gone conclusion requiring the restoration of man to CHRIST through the preaching of the gospel. This has been happening for 2000 years and counting and will continue to happen until the seventh trumpet is blown. The only covenant that God talks of according to Daniel's 70th week week is for the Messiah, for God is not concerned about a convenant that the devil makes with the world. This is scriptural and chronological and does not make any premises for the 70th week because Messiah has been confirming it for the remainder of the 70th week by the following statement that is in context to the resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. CHRIST is confirming and has been in the process of delivering / restoring man to God's heavenly Kingdom for the last almost 2000 years which is within the time, time and half a time of prophesy requiring the gosoel to be preached to the end of the world before the seventh trumpet sounds.

Time of restoration must encompass the time from Christ's ascension until the seventh trumpet is sounded. Restoration of Man must be through the resurrection. Scripture clearly identifies restoration when Christ delivers up every believer to the heavenly kingdom of God through the resurrection. 1Co 15:23-24 23 But every man in his own order:Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (KJV)

This is all puzzling to me. What has earthly dominion to do with Christ? The devil claimed the kingdoms of the world are his. Should Christ care fir earthly matters not concerning his bride? Mmmmmm I didn't think so!

LoL end time layout.

The remaining half of Daniel's 70th week went spiritual, because when the Messiah was cut off in the middle of the week, Christians consider themselves dead to the flesh, because we will not die but live in Christ after our earthly tent is dissolved.

Until death do us apart from this earthly life.

Mat 24:38-41 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (KJV) So those in the days of Noah were taken by the flood. What happened when they were taken? They died. Taking away or rapture is through death. I see no other context to fit the days of Noah.

circular reasoning! Built on a faulty premise. Try again because it doesn't match with scripture.

For me it comes in the fact that in the middle of the week Messiah was cut off. So I believe that from the coming of Messiah to the cutoff of Messiah was a half of week and the Last half of the week comes with The Lords two Prophets at the end when they shut down the world and usher in the Kingdom of Christ for the remainder of the week. The gap is just the way the Lord decided to do it. from the time that the lords witnesses start their ministry to the second coming of the Lord will be 1335 days. I agree the remaining symbolic 3.5 days or half a week is from CHRIST being crucified until the end. Revelation 11:11 " And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." These 3.5 days must encompass the two symbolic witnesses. This means the witnesses must have commenced witnessing during the remaining half of Daniel's 70th week. Could these two witnesses be a symbol of the countless faithful who have preached th everlasting gospel to the ends of the world? I used to think so until the Lord called My attention to the tenth verse of revelation 11:10 ------, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Two prophets are specifically two people. Thanks, I also noted the verse quoted below: Revelation 11:10 " And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." I want to bring ur attention to also the one below: Revelation 11:5 " And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed." I don't believe that a literal fire goes out from their mouth. This statement is obviously a jewish idiom to describe the power of their anointing as Jesus said the following to his disciples: John 20:21-22 21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” The two symbolic witnesses have the anointing/baptism of the fire, that is of the Holy Ghost, therefore it logically follows that the two witnesses are of the great commission to preach the everlasting gospel from their mouths, hence this is the fire that proceeds from their mouth. In conclusion all who are born of water and fire (Holy Ghost), who hold the testimony of Jesus, are declared by scripture to pour out the fire from their mouths to the unbelieving world. It is by this preaching to the world, that rejects the message, whereby the Holy Ghost devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed The death that scripture is talking about is spiritual death after the earthly body is dissolved. These two symbolic witnesses started of being the disciples as was projected to them in the vision on the mount of transfiguration where the symbol of Elijah (prophets) and MOSES (law) was shown and they were told to tell no man until the risen Lord breathed on them the Holy Ghost and commissioned them as the two symbolic witnesses. This was a transfer of the law and the prophets which go hand in hand with the great commission in preaching the everlasting gospel to the world. Remember that the testimony of jesus is the Spirit of prophecy (Rev. 19:10) Also Saint Paul once stated: Romans 2:14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. The two symbolic witnesses must be those who hold the testimony of Jesus who have preached the fire that proceeded from their mouth across all generation, remember Jesus said to go into the world and make disciples of the world and to preach the message until the end.

I know for certain many are going to get raptured before the end of the world. How will the taking away happen, some might ask? Simple look back at history and you will find the graves of the many departed. As far as the resurrection of the dead is concerned, since the living cannot hinder those who have already departed, then it is clear the departed have literally been taken away, haven't they? Poeple around the world are literally being taken away as I write. One is TAKEN and the other left, therefore if you are here and breathing, then your ARE here, otherwise YOUR raptured.

For me it comes in the fact that in the middle of the week Messiah was cut off. So I believe that from the coming of Messiah to the cutoff of Messiah was a half of week and the Last half of the week comes with The Lords two Prophets at the end when they shut down the world and usher in the Kingdom of Christ for the remainder of the week. The gap is just the way the Lord decided to do it. from the time that the lords witnesses start their ministry to the second coming of the Lord will be 1335 days. I agree the remaining symbolic 3.5 days or half a week is from CHRIST being crucified until the end. Revelation 11:11 " And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." These 3.5 days must encompass the two symbolic witnesses. This means the witnesses must have commenced witnessing during the remaining half of Daniel's 70th week. Could these two witnesses be a symbol of the countless faithful who have preached th everlasting gospel to the ends of the world?

Just a question isn't the millions of departed faithful who had waited for the Lord also the bride. Why would the minority that represent the bride towards the end be considered differently than those who have already departed? Where is the priority as far as the resurrection of the dead is concerned?