simplejeff

Is it because of a disability, or a false teaching, that you think this is true ? Yahweh's agape love is not restricted only to believers in Christ - and remember He loved us BEFORE anyone was a believer in Christ - WHILE WE WERE STILL HIS ENEMIES .....

True, for some. Now keep reading Scripture (God's Word), and see the others, what happens to others, those who do not get a good reward ....

Keep praying and reading Scripture, seeking Yahweh's Kingdom and Yahweh's Truth from Yahweh - not from sentimental men ..... or other false doctrines and false teachings...... read a lot, seeking only from Yahweh His Revelation. His Revelation, the Truth, is in Perfect Harmony with ALL of His Word..... For starters look up "cut out" ..... since you missed it first time through.....

If you will read Scripture, you would (or rather could, Yahweh willing) know what He does to people who ignore His Word. Do you really have a handicap ?

Believe it or not, it doesn't work that way. Remember adopted children can be kicked out/ arrested/ jailed/ and shot. Also, remember branches that are grafted in (gentile branches) , can be CUT OUT AGAIN, as WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE. i.e. not even one word of Yahweh's Word will fall to the ground - EVERY WORD is TRUTH, without contradicting any other of HIs Word ..... See in Romans 2, if someone even has torah, and hears the word of God, but does not do the word of God, then they are NOT JUSTIFIED. As Jesus also says always : "who are my mother and my brother and my sister? " "whoever HEARS the WORD OF GOD and DOES IT" "It is not the hearers who only hear that are justified, but those who DO, the DOERS OF HIS WORD, who are justified (yes, even gentiles can be justified, according to Yahweh's Word (Scripture) ..... EVERY WORD of SCRIPTURE is TRUE. Not one word can be broken. It doesn't matter if you know it or agree with it or not, His Word never changes.

We can't tell unless you tell us if you have a learning disability or not. And even if it looks like it, we're not supposed to guess, probably. So far you haven't answered the questions put to you. Is this the reason, or is there another handicap ? (not to get 'personal' , except to be able to know why it is so hard for you to read and understand posts and Scripture)

It is perfect , as Yahweh made it, for the purpose He made it for ............. Did you never read what Yahweh's Plan is yourself ?

Since you haven't written any answers yet from Scripture, how would you know if anything Scriptural is a horrible teaching ? All the while you yourself were taught by some group things directly contrary to Scripture (with or without the Law), and thus keeping people from coming to true faith as WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE. If you haven't read the Scripture with and by faith in Yahweh, to find the truth by His Grace, how would you ever know ?

It doesn't seem to be at all about once saved always saved, but about someone not yet saved...... so "we" (whoever cares) are attempting to see/ to find out/ IF that is the case and if possible to find out what is the hindrance to salvation......

It sounds like that is what is dragging you down , (or is it man-made fables and myths ? ) ........ and has deceived you however long ..... since you can't (or just haven't) answered the questions from Scripture so far.

Nothing will save you either, Old Testament nor New Testament, if you are not born again. Read what Yahweh Breathed throughout all Scripture. Can you read ? Are you unable to read ? Is that why you cannot answer any questions about Scripture ?

Anything apart from truth , anything and everything keeping people from finding Yahweh's Kingdom, is wrong and sinful. Everything GOOD, is from above - from Yahweh ! Salvation, Righteousness, Mercy, Joy, Peace, Healing, ...... Society is pernicious (death dealing). It tries to drag everyone down with it into sheol. (the grave, apart from Jesus and without Him) .... CHRIST CRUCIFIED ! SURPRISE ! SALVATION COMES ! --- salvation from society, from sin, from the penalty of sin, from death, from fear of death, from the devil, from the power of the devil, from the flesh and from the power of the flesh ........... TO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TODAY) >>>>>> RESURRECTION LIFE IN JESUS ! HALLELUYAH ! PRAISE HIS NAME !!!

And if you put your trust at all in your own intellect, that is as bad as Darwinism .... (i.e. no salvation, only a curse)

Are you VERY YOUNG ? Trusting Yahweh through Grace in Jesus is required. IF you call that "works", you have been very , very deceived.

maybe..... not. Titus 2: 9 Tell slaves to submit to their masters in everything, to give satisfaction without talking back 10 or pilfering. On the contrary, they should demonstrate complete faithfulness always, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Deliverer more attractive. 11 For God’s grace, which brings deliverance, has appeared to all people. 12 It teaches us to renounce godlessness and worldly pleasures, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives now, in this age; 13 while continuing to expect the blessed fulfillment of our certain hope, which is the appearing of the Sh’khinah of our great God and the appearing of our Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah. 14 He gave himself up on our behalf in order to free us from all violation of Torah and purify for himself a people who would be his own, eager to do good. 15 These are the things you should say. Encourage and rebuke with full authority; don’t let anyone look down on you. Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.

Why don't you believe Him ? Why didn't you read the Bible (Yahweh's Word ) ?

Believe Yahweh, Trust His Word (answer the above question), Not men nor hasatan.

[Since osas is false (along with many other things associated with it, not just by itself) and since I am not worried, fearful nor doubtful, By Yahweh's Word, Grace and Salvation in Jesus, ] no. Except when Yahweh says to be afraid - even when He Says (IN HIS WORD) to be terrified. Do you remember in HIS WORD (IN SCRIPTURE) WHEN Yahweh says to be afraid , even to be terrified ?

All around you , surrounding your posts, and the posts of those who are faithful and true, the "amount of damage" is growing, not shrinking , every day...... as Yahweh permits or has permitted ... No one is actively "censoring" nor even identifying ('flagging'?) those who continue daily all around us to post error upon error as it is also written: "the wicked will become more wicked" ....

Yochanan the immerser declared that no man can receive anything (like understanding, or wisdom, or knowledge, or a wife, or a husband, or cattle, or victory in battle ) UNLESS the FATHER in HEAVEN grants it ..... i.e. not just 'sometimes' , but every time, all the time.....)

ooops.... there was no insult in the past posts..... just a recognition of a lack of full understanding as noted below in contrast to your own 'definition' (which is not wrong, just not encompassing all Scripture) ..... https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Elohim Encyclopedia of The Bible – Elohim Resources » Encyclopedia of The Bible » E » Elohim Elohim ELOHIM ĕl’ ō hĭm (אֱלֹהִים, H466, many suggestions for the meaning of the root but no consensus, perhaps related to “El” meaning mighty or strong). A most commonly used Heb. word for God, gods, angels, or magistrates. It has been demonstrated to the writer’s satisfaction that 14th cent. b.c. Ugaritic lit. when referring to a single deity sometimes uses the “plural of majesty” (cf. Anchor Bible, 16, pp. XXIV and 43 etc.). Since the pl. word Elohim when used for God in the OT is most emphatically sing. in meaning (Deut 4:35, 39; 1 Kings 8:60; 18:39; Isa 45:18, etc.), there is real probability that the Hebrews looked on it as a “plural of majesty.” Often but not always when referring to the true God, the definite article is employed with the word in Heb. This usage was an overtone of the root’s basic meaning, hence “the Mighty (?) One,” but this is not carried over into the Eng. Bible which has simply “God” with a capital letter. The word is frequently used to refer to heathen gods (Exod 18:11; 20:23; 1 Sam 4:8; 2 Kings 18:33, etc.). Less frequently the word refers to a heathen god in the sing., Dagon (1 Sam 5:7), Chemosh (Judg 11:24), Baal (1 Kings 18:24) etc. There are a number of references where the word can be rendered magistrates, judges, or rulers. Noteworthy are Exodus 21:6 where the slave is brought “to God” or perhaps “to the judges” where his ear is bored, and Exodus 22:28 which may mean “You shall not revile the magistrates (God?), nor curse the ruler of your people” (cf. 1 Kings 21:13). Other passages should be studied in this light (i.e. 1 Sam 2:25 and Judg 5:8). ================================================== The 'same' can be said about "echad" - it appears you have a very small understanding of it, thus looking it up particularly in reference to John 17, is very encouraging to all believers born again, and to all who are "ONE" with JESUS ........

They DO, THEY DO ! (fight!!!!! ) : Psalm 35Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 35 (0) By David: (1) Adonai, oppose those who oppose me; fight against those who fight against me. 2 Grasp your shield and protective gear, and rise to my defense. 3 Brandish spear and battle-axe against my pursuers; let me hear you say, “I am your salvation.” 4 May those who seek my life be disgraced and put to confusion; may those who are plotting harm for me be repulsed and put to shame. 5 May they be like chaff before the wind, with the angel of Adonai to drive them on. 6 May their way be dark and slippery, with the angel of Adonai to pursue them. 7 For unprovoked, they hid their net over a pit; unprovoked, they dug it for me. 8 May destruction come over him unawares. May the net he concealed catch himself; may he fall into it and be destroyed. 9 Then I will be joyful in Adonai, I will rejoice in his salvation. 10 All my bones will say, “Who is like you? Who can rescue the weak from those stronger than they, the poor and needy from those who exploit them?” 11 Malicious witnesses come forward, asking me things about which I know nothing. 12 They repay me evil for good; it makes me feel desolate as a parent bereaved. 13 But I, when they were ill, wore sackcloth; I put myself out and fasted; I can pray that what I prayed for them might also happen to me. 14 I behaved as I would for my friend or my brother; I bent down in sorrow as if mourning my mother. 15 But when I stumble, they gather in glee; they gather against me and strike me unawares; they tear me apart unceasingly. 16 With ungodly mocking and grimacing, they grind their teeth at me. 17 Adonai, how much longer will you look on? Rescue me from their assaults, save the one life I have from the lions! 18 I will give you thanks in the great assembly, I will give you praise among huge crowds of people. 19 Don’t let those who are wrongfully my enemies gloat over me; and those who hate me unprovoked — don’t let them smirk at me. 20 For they don’t speak words of peace but devise ways to deceive the peaceful of the land. 21 They shout to accuse me, “Aha! Aha! we saw you with our own eyes!” 22 You saw them, Adonai; don’t stay silent. Adonai, don’t stay far away from me. 23 Wake up! Get up, my God, my Lord! Defend me and my cause! 24 Give judgment for me, Adonai, my God, as your righteousness demands. Don’t let them gloat over me. 25 Don’t let them say to themselves, “Aha! We got what we wanted!” or say, “We swallowed them up!” 26 May those who gloat over my distress be disgraced and humiliated. May those who aggrandize themselves at my expense be covered with shame and confusion. 27 But may those who delight in my righteousness shout for joy and be glad! Let them say always, “How great is Adonai, who delights in the peace of his servant!” 28 Then my tongue will tell of your righteousness and praise you all day long. Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved.

ONLY a footnote (for those new to the forum): Not sloppy (well, depending on 'sloppy' meaning), but yes he was/is? very very much in error for many years. No, I have not followed nor even watched for years , since nothing seemed to make any difference.... there was nothing to say or do to bring about any good change nor understanding...... So, again just a footnote, I don't have the 'proof' / examples any more that were plainly posted years past by several posters , and "in his own words" ..... and I don't plan nor aim nor expect to dig up anything for any reason.... (just will delete this post within 48 hours, seems the only 'peaceable' thing possible ......) ...... since those shown to be in error , those who were / are? / opposed to Jesus and to Scripture, there is not any mechanism on the internet to deal with it effectively.

Do you have one, even not a word study, just a BIBLE, where Jesus says 'is it not written, ye all are elohim' ?! Then "echad" in OT and NT, the many (or several) times it refers to believers ?!

See below, which you already quoted once or more times: hint: (or help:) Find a translation or a word study that retains "elohim" and "echad" .....