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I just wrote a Thread for you. "Seeing Is Believing".. So, if you have time, plz chk it out.. if it posts. B

Ive posted ...hummm....... i dont don't even know the amount of Threads, here.... @OneLight And POSTs?.... i suppose there is a total on my bio page...etc. So, my "view" is highly resonant here. So, if you don't know it, you are not reading me, and you should, as then you would know. I'll tell you what, I was teaching on another forum today also, and i'll post an answer here, that i posted for a believer there, and maybe this will help you to SEE ME ... The question he asked me was sort of a wide frame generalization that had to do with trying to understand why a born again Saint is not a sinner. And they had some issues with Hebrews 4 also, that seem to just inspire legalist to preach damnation... --------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Its not a 20 word answer, for me to teach all that you are asking. First of all, If Jesus became our sin, then our sin is WHERE? Where is it? Do you have it? Does the Pope have it? Does Tiger Woods have it? Who has it reader? Jesus has it on the CROSS, " JESUS= became your sin"... He didnt just pay for it and bare it, ...Jesus BECAME your sin....... AND DIED. So, when Jesus dies AS your SIN, so did your sin die with Christ. And that is why you were raised in the Spirit, as a "new creation". So, a new creation, is not a sinner..... A sinner is what you were, before Christ became your sin for you.. and died. Understand? Good, as about .0004 % of Believers even know that this happened to them and for them. WELCOME TO SALVATION. !! So, now that we know that WE are not "sinners", but we are ... Saints, Sons of God... Heirs of GOD....Joint Heirs with Christ....."ONE with God and Christ"..... Brethren.....The BRIDE..... See all that? That is YOU as the "new Creation". That is the REAL you. You are THIS....if you are born again...= "As Christ IS, so are the born again IN THIS WORLD". "IN THIS WORLD". See that? So, is Christ a sinner? If so, you are also, as ':As Christ IS...so are YOU....in this WORLD". But if he's not a sinner, then neither are you. See it? Now you got that?.... as once you do, then you do this.. You open your bible, knowing that a Born again SAINT is not a SINNER. So, when you read a verse that says...."If WE say we have no sin".... Then this can't be talking about the speaker who is an Apostle, as they are not a SINNER..... as a sinner would have SIN, they would be sinning, and that Apostle is not sinning, and is not a sinner. So, what then? Then, you will begin to have some truth about your verse, by understanding that "WE", when that word is used by a SINLESS blood redeemed Apostle, he is talking about THEM... the audience. Not himself. Its like this readers.. Let say im preaching to 700 of you here... in a church. And none of you are believers. You are all atheists...or unbelievers of some sort. And say you are a Scientologist.... or a follower of Mary Baker Eddy. These 2 cults teach that there is no original sin. No sin at all. So, you stand up, and say to me....."there is no sin, so what is this junk you are teaching"... And i say......"wait, wait wait......hold the phone.......back up.........Listen, if WE say we have no sin".. See that WE? see it? So, im not talking about me.....Im talking about you, but i say "we", as that is talking corporally to the group, yet not specifically about myself, tho , i used the word WE. Now, some of you will see this clearly, and some of you will not even try. And for you that can, go now to Hebrews, and use that understanding of "WE", in those verses where the Apostle is teaching those unbelieving Hebrews, and says..."If WE sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice".. As that is the same thing....>He is not talking about himself when he says "WE". He is talking about them. And if you can see that, you are finally awake to something that will free you from liars who use certain verses to try to make you think you can lose your salvation. its always the "we" verses....and that WE, is never talking about the speaker, or the Apostle. Its always directed at the UNBELIEVER when the verse is seen as an Apostle talking about the BLOOD of JESUS to a GROUP.. Find out. Study.

Sure. Final Apostasy, is regarding the entire FINAL modern church, its almost all believers, and not just one selected group of charismatics that you are describing. The Falling Away, is in fact a nearly universal body of christ "falling from Grace" See, "falling away"< means you had something, and you LEFT IT....you fell from it.....You once had it and then you LATER repented BACKWARDS of the Truth, and became an apostate, and in this context of "falling away", that is "most of the Body"....So, its a HUGE falling away that is related to not just a few million charismatics, as you are describing. The falling away, the great apostasy is JUDE 1. Its the falling from the TRUE GOSPEL .....by falling from GRACE = INTO the false gospel... The Devil's gospel. its simply a complete separation from the Gospel of Grace into The Gospel of Works . Its falling from GRACE into a lie that TEACHES the substituted FALSE gospel or the: "error of Cain". Paul refers to this as "who has BEWITCHED YOU, that you should NO LONGER OBEY THE TRUTH".. Its that Apostasy. THAT is the "falling away", end time SIGN.

Brother, i appreciate what you wrote, but, i teach that the idea that we are to just accept that because we are inside an Adamic body, we are to just agree that some days we sin and some days we don't... as how "Salvation" is supposed to function inside us and throughout our entire life of discipleship, is in fact not true. When we read the NT, we find that AFTER Paul said..>"who will deliver me from this body of death", he then tells you who DID, not who is going to after he is dead... as that was the point of the verse, and not that we have to live in sin because we are stuck in a corrupt body.... If Salvation has no more effect on us then to cause us to be exactly like an unbeliever who is trying to be good, but fails then tries again, then Salvation is missing a few links.. Its not missing any, but a lot of believer don't realize this, yet. I can't agree with the idea of accepting that Christianity is to just try to not sin as much as you use to,...... Brother. That does not work for me, because i dont live in that situation. That is not my reality. That is not my "walk". I dont find that in scripture as how im supposed to BE after im Born again...., but i do find that in most Believer's personal Theology. Paul said "moving on to perfection", and "coming into the fullness of the stature of Christ"... Ephesians 4:13 as a personal REALITY that is achieved and maintained HERE, while we are LIVING. "it is no more i who lives, but Christ who lives in me". Is what Paul is talking about... Listen, God would not ask us to do what we can't do. He would only ask us to do what the Blood Atonement is capable of causing us to BE, if we understand how to walk in it, as its designed for us to do. God would not tell us to present our bodies a living sacrifice, if this was not possible. God would not tell us to "be holy as i am holy" if this is some kind of cosmic "Gotcha" joke. The Blood of Jesus, is not just designed to pardon our sin for eternity, but its also given so that we can live a life that is free from endlessly "confessing and repenting". God's Grace is in fact the ETERNAL solution for sinning, and not just the eternal forgiveness of sin. I teach a lot, and not just here on "W", And born again people often, when they first start checking me out .. hear that i teach.. that im not a sinner ....and they often start climbing up a wall backwards to protest and condemn. And these people are the very ones who need to listen to what i teach and read all my posts and Threads and find out how to walk in the FULLNESS of GOD, that delivers you from the DESIRE to Sin,.... because its this very walking in the Spirit that gets rid of your SIN CONSCIOUSNESS ... that is the ONLY reason WHY a Born Again Believer finds themselves stuck in a Lifecycle of...."Well, i was good a lot longer this time before i did the same old sin again and again and again". THAT ^^^^^^^ is not "walking in the Spirit", THAT, is walking in the Flesh, which is why 99% of Christians fall and get up, fall and get up, all their lives. Reader, Christianity is not meant to be so. The NT teaches us something that we have to BELIEVE......Its THIS.....= ""AS CHRIST IS IS IS, SO ARE THE BORN AGAIN, = In THIS WORLD". So, is Christ a sinner? Is Christ having issues with Sin? Is Christ up there as our heavenly advocate repenting of sin? NO he's not. And YOU< if you are actually born again, reader, are.."As Christ IS so are YOU IN THIS, World" RIGHT NOW. Down HERE... NOT IN A WEEK. Not after you have suffered a while, first. See, the trouble with Believers is they use a New Testament that they don't really BELIEVE.... and that is why they teach against the TRUTH instead of obeying it and becoming a powerful witness FOR the Grace of God.

@Paul James....There is most certainly a division..... An Apostle has the "Signs of an Apostle". That is how you KNOW they are an APOSTLE and not just a "sent one", or a missionary. An Apostle is DEFINED by having the "Signs of an apostle". And without ALL these, you are not an apostle, tho you can be a missionary. Listen.... In the Epistle "Acts" a lot of people don't realize that the entire epistle is the "ACTS of the APOSTLES", and they become ruined useless believers by thinking this epistle is the "Acts of the Christians'.... But its not. Its the "ACTS OF THE APOSTLES"....... So, when you have a believer running around trying to be an Apostle, worrying about gifts and signs, you have a messed up mess of a believer and there are millions of them.... Including quite a few denominations that are created by people who are trying to have the "signs of an APOSTLE" and do NOT....... and never will. Also, you previously asked me something about "Kenneth Copeland", and i will go and find the exact Q?. and respond later today... talk to you then, -B

Lovely. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't it such a JOY to come to a Christian Forum, or stand up in a group and give Christ ALONE all the praise and adoration that He alone deserves for saving us and keeping us saved? Isn't it a wonderful sound that is found in the ears of God for Him to hear real born again believers offer God a constant THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU< to the Holy One, = who shed His precious Blood so that we could have a FREE GIFT of Salvation that just keeps us ETERNALLY in the Loving Arms of a Holy GOD? Isn't it a blessed RELIEF that the Grace of God allows us to not have to work to keep what we could never earn and never keep ourselves? Isn't it amazing to KNOW that Jesus took our sin, and WE Became His Righteousness? "the GIFT of Righteousness"..... Its it a Holy Wonder to just worship in the Arms of God's love and feel the blessing of being KEPT SAVED BY GOD's GRACE so that we dont have to worry about this, which allows us the JOY of the Lord, and the Power to live a Holy Life for Him? What an Amazing God who would offer such a SALVATION to us, as a GIFT... Thank you JESUS !

Listen, you dont have any FREE WILL related to being born, or related to being born an Asian. Location on Earth, + Parents, genetics, sperm+ eggs determine all this.. God does not put the sperm in the mother fella...>He does not choose that.... or cause that. Think. Parents dont Produce, they RE-PRODUCE....ok? God only allows it. So, you are born with Free Will. Was ADAM chosen to sin? Was that God's election?.....Did Adam have no Free Will? If Adam had no free will then neither do you, and so, goodnight and sleep tight. = Sorry no. God said that MAN was created in His Image, in His "likeness".. .Jesus said, "ye are gods".. .so, does God not have Free will?.....As if not, then neither do you. Christ is God, or no? If He is, then he has Free will, and if that is so, then so do you. Jesus is the SECOND ADAM...>So, if the 2nd Adam has Free will then so does the FIRST... And if that is true, then so do YOU... Free will is not limited . If it was limited then it can't be FREE, can it? It would be Semi-Free, or Kinda Free, or Slightly FREE....but its not.....its FREE WILL Jesus said..."ALL that believe in me" not just all the elect.... John 3:16 says. "that WHOSOEVER believes" ..." ALL that call on the name of the Lord, shall be saved". not just all the elect. Its like this....... Elect, according to FOREKNOWLEDGE.... @Don19. What is Foreknowledge? Its God's omnipotent ability to KNOW ALL THINGS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN..."fore-Knowledge".. BE-FORE, it happens, knowledge. This means......that God KNEW everything according to His ability to know all things BEFORE THEY HAPPEN, (Foreknowledge) =. that you would Trust Christ. He fore KNEW this about you, before ADAM EXISTED...ok? You just finally arrived which God also FORE -KNEW....... So, here is how to see all that.......That God KNOWS a thing before it happens, (Fore -Knowledge) is not the same as CAUSING IT> Knowing is not CAUSING.......FORE KNOWING is not CAUSING.......>Its only KNOWING BEFORE IT HAPPENS< = what will happen.

I am as SINLESS as the Blood of Jesus has made me to be..... and that is for ETERNITY. why? Because Jesus became my sin, and i became his Righteousness. I am not a sinner, i am a "new Creation in Christ". I am a Saint, a Brethren, a Child of the LIGHT, a Son of GOD, a Lively Stone, the Bride of Christ. THAT IS ME..... forever. I am this......>"As Christ is so are all the born again, in this world". So, @OneLight...is Jesus a sinner? yes? So, .."as Christ IS< so is BEHOLD in this world", (paraphrase), then that is what GOD says i am. I have "the Gift of Righteousness". Do you deny i have that? Let me hear you.

No, it apples to every person ever born, since the Cross was raised. Thats not narrow, that everyone. ALL.....must REPENT of their Unbelief........every human being born since the Cross was raised. That reality is related to every persons born since the Cross was raised. Repent of unbelief, and TRUST CHRIST.

Tbe problem with your theory is that the Charismatic groups are a small minority in the over all total - Body of Christ. So, the final apostasy is a large one, therefore it can't ONLY be talking about the small Pentecostal-Charismatic-WOF denominations, as you are believing. It has to be BIG. They are not a large group, and can't be the final church apostasy, when the other 90% of of the CHURCH is not this little Denom section .

The great apostasy is the "Error of Cain".. Jude 1:11 Its when the majority of the "modern church" has "fallen from Grace" and is now teaching a gospel of works, in place of the Gospel of Grace. This has happened worldwide. Just look at this forum.. You have people kicking against Grace here.. Its the teaching that Grace, is a license to sin. And what that tries to do, is put the believer under bondage to works to try to keep themselves saved, and this rejects GRACE and the Blood of Jesus. Its a Satanic twisting of the Gospel of Grace . Its a denial that the Blood Atonement is Eternal. Here is how it sounds..."yes, the blood atonement is eternal, as long as.......as long as you .......as long as YOU DO.......THIS......and THIS...and WORKS.... Its the replacing of the Gospel of Grace, as the gospel of works.. Its the "error of Cain". Thats the great or final Apostasy. Did you read this my Theology Thead...... "Pick a side....Take a Stand" ??? It'l help you to see how to recognize the Apostate.

Paul was an Apostle. This is not the same as a missionary. So, to teach that He is an Apostle, as he defined himself would be correct. To teach, as you are doing, that he is only a missionary, is a problem, because one of the proof's that you are an Apostle, is that you have Apostolic SIGN GIFTS....."Signs of an Apostle", 2nd Corinthians 12:12. Missionaries don't have these signs, and that is why they are called Missionaries and not Apostles. Also, you originally you said that Paul's LIFE was his Thorn...Now you have changed your story . You now say it was the demonic attacks, and you are saying this NOW< because you read that i actually quoted a BIBLE that said. "messengers of Satan".. and explained this to you. So, im ok if you now teach what i told you... Thats fine.

Im not the modern church. Im a "last of their kind", who preach Grace thru faith without works, to be accepted by God as His only Begotten Way And then i dont spit on that later by trying to prove that that isn't quite enough and i need to worry about keeping "statutes". I don't teach the gospel of works. Read my 4 yrs of Thread's here, and you'll see that it never happens and it never will. I will never try to reduce the Blood of Jesus, to Legalism, as found in your "Modern Church". See, and understand.....Im not the one Threading my concern regarding believers keeping Old Testament, "Statutes", as that is what is found in Your Thread. It'll never be found in mine. Not ever. See, i dont just talk about Grace and then teach about works.. I teach Holiness, holy living, and walking in Love, that is a product of the Power of the Blood of Jesus. Walking in love is not defined by being tolerant of any religious theology that tries to reject Grace and teach the gospel of works in its place. A lot of spiritually darkened believers believe that if you are blindly tolerant, then this proves you have the fruit of Love. However, this type thinking only proves that carnality often parades around as their wisdom. I dont do that. And as i said, i dont preach the gospel of works, as Jesus rejects it, and Paul hated it. Galatians 1:8

The Power to overcome, : to walk in the Light as Jesus is the Light, is to understand how to "walk in the Spirit". This is not discovered by discussions about statutes, or endless spiritually dead diatribes about striving to live holy thru works. Its also not discovered by being told that you are dead wood who is asleep in the light, or by being told that the problem is that the body of Christ needs to be "shaken" a lot harder. So, if you are want to learn how to live a solid holy perfect lifestyle, that is not related to confessing sin, or repenting of sin, then you have to understand how to "Walk in the Spirit".....what this actually means. Doing this, "walking in the Spirit" has nothing to do with "presenting your body a living sacrifice" "be ye holy as I AM holy", regarding you trying to do that, as many of you are trying to do all your Christian LIFE, and that is why you fail. Many of you You are failing to live holy, because you have no right understanding of how to do it. Its like this.... Right believing produces right LIVING. When you believe WRONG then you will live wrong, with no power to actually stop. Listen. Things with God, the way that God works and manifests, is not how WE SEE it. It is God who told you that His ways are higher then yours as the heavens are higher then the earth. For example the WORLD honors the one with the most money and the one who can show off the loudest. While God honors the meek and quiet spirit and the heart that is the truest. The world says...... "Push your way to the FRONT of the LINE". God says...."the meek shall inherit the earth"...... God says, "the last shall be first". So, understanding Scripture is a mystery that is veiled until you do this.... Hebrews 13:9 And many of you, have never ever heard this scripture preached or taught till i showed up, and you've never applied it to yourself, and that is why you are not able to understand how to "walk in the Spirit". Walking in the Spirit has nothing to do with Spiritual Gifts, or trying to do works or keeping statutes. Study and meditate that verse until you do that verse, until you become that verse, until you FAITH becomes that verse... and once you do, you won't ever be led astray again by anyone anywhere at anytime, who is preaching their false gospel of works. blessings, <B><

"Grant to sit with me in my throne"....that is Jesus in Jerusalem on David's Throne, with the Born Again ruling with him.. So, how do you get a ticket to that amazing 1000 years ? The answer is in 1st John : "Who is he that overcometh the world, but ALL that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God"" The answer is, everyone who is BORN AGAIN, has already "overcometh".

"functionally wretched"...... lovely term for Legalists. which explains, "having a FORM a ... fake pretense .of Godliness, while denying the Blood Atonement (Power thereof) = GRACE ".

Instead of living your life in a state of sinning and confessing and repenting and talking about it, why dont you discover how to be free from sin so that you can do something else?

- Let me give you a real "mind blowing" promise, vs someone unfortunatley telling you that walking in "statutes",. is "mind blowing". Here you go reader... "Christ has redeemed us from the Curse of the STATUTES". (The Law). So, God is not interested in you worrying about keeping "statues", that are found in the OLD TESTAMENT. We are in the "time of the gentiles', and that is the NEW TESTAMENT.....so lets keep our LIVES IN THERE, and not in EZEKIEL.... Instead, we are to walk in the GRACE of GOD, that has redeemed us from the "curse of the Statutes", and instead given us his GRACE . So, if you want to find Freedom in God, you don't EVER find it in "statutes" or by keeping "statutes", as that would be Legalism. You dont want that.....You want Freedom IN CHRIST, and that is the Power of the Blood of Jesus, that frees you. God does not FREE YOU so that as this Thread teaches, you can "keep the Law", (statutes) but rather He redeems you from "the curse of the Law", by giving you God's very Righteousness...>"The Gift of Righteousness". So, you are not FREED by keeping the law, (Statutes), you are FREED by understanding who you are now "IN CHRIST". True Christianity, True Discipleship, is not to be worried about keeping STATUTES found in the OLD TESTAMENT, but rather, True Faith and Real Christianity is found in "Loving Others" by Loving God FIRST and Foremost.

Like you said, you are no expert., and i agree. Let me tell you what happens to millions of people who are 40+, have no energy, can't sleep well, moody, feel a weird sort of frustration that they can't seem to solve, and sit all day for years, just like that.... One day they think...."i see these advertisements for Gym Membership and everyone is 19, is well tanned, has big biceps, and looks like a body builder, so, i think i'll just pass on that". Later......the doc says......"well, had you kept yourself in shape, got off the couch, laid off the chips the cake and the ice cream".... you could have PREVENTED ..... So, the gym, prevents that.. Its a way to preserve your health. It will keep you out of the doctor's office. It is in fact, the best lifelong maintenance you can give your health... See, when you go to the gym, you are with people who are all there for the same reason. Everyone is there with the same mind. Its all about HEALTH.....making it better and keeping it longer. You will find that a gym family is a real situation. And when you see people training....using that Treadmill, using that bike, using all the different machines, and yes, some are using barbells and dumbbells, this will inspire you to work with them.... Thats what happens.....Its like a big group family all working for the same cause, the same reason. See, QUALITY of Life, is the main thing, and keeping yourself healthy is something you can DO, that will extend your quality of Life. Aging is inevitable, but Health is one of those things that can actually be improved. You can actually be more healthy then you are, right now.....not matter who you are... And the healthier you are, the clearer your mind, the stronger your discipline, and the happier you will feel. Some of you are shy. You are shy.... Maybe you dont go to church because you feel uncomfortable with "all those people"....so, going to a gym, is a good way to overcome that, because you will see people, but its not a situation where you are going to have to chat chat chat chat, and feel like you have to be a part of that.....to be accepted. A gym is not like that at all... and most people who use them, are not bodybuilders :). Instead you are with others, you say "hey", "good morning"...then you do your work. You will feel the bond of humanity, you will feel very quickly the communal togetherness , and you will improve in that area where you need it to happen. Some of you need a mate. You need to find the right life partner. So, finding someone who is motivated to go to a gym and improve themselves this way, is someone you might want to consider ........ as maybe that born again gym person is waiting for you, also. It is amazing how God causes us to find our way along in life.... Often the answer is simply waiting for you to show up.

The false doctrine of the 'Predestined Elect" is a lie. Its the worst sort of lie, along with the other worst lie..."you can lose your salvation". These 2 lies are the worst sort of lies because they ABUSE the Bible to try to teach the lies. Thats Satanic, in both cases. See, anytime a teaching reject Salvation as both ETERNAL and FREELY GIVEN TO ALL..... John 3:16, then this LIE is miusing the BIBLE to Teach the lie and so, this teacher is Galatians 1:8. You don't want to be that.. reader. So, i'll tell you again @Don19.. God does not cause people to be born... having already CHOSEN some of them to burn in the Lake of fire, never having allowed them the FREE WILL to chose Christ instead of unbelief. To teach this denies the work of Christ on the Cross and rejects and disownes the Grace of God.

I undersand what you are saying.. The issue is, its not really possible to reconcile the idea of "a messenger from Satan", as "Paul had a difficult life". You are teaching .... "Paul said that a messenger from Satan was his difficult life". This means that Paul was asking God to not allow him to have a difficult life. He would never pray that Prayer 3X as he prayed it, because he would never pray it even once. Paul understood better then any other Apostle that you carry your cross and you deny yourself and you face the hardships with the Grace of God as your comfort and as your strength.

To Repent, with the context being THE CROSS, simply means to BELIEVE The Gospel and be born again.. Turn from Unbelief to FAITH, is to "repent". You are repenting of the SIN of Unbelief... You are turning from THAT Sin.......by TRUSTING In Christ. See, there is no other sin you can turn from that matters, as its only the sin of unbelief that DAMNS YOU. John 3:36 So, you repent of THAT.....of That sin., and you don't go to Hell.

Thank you for explaining that, as that is something that a member would need to know.

Excuse me, but before you started hiding my posts, i was moderated, but i was visible. You ended this...recently. Not anyone else. When you are here, my posts are hidden....just like today.........how many are sitting there? How many? They are invisible, because you are here. Here on Worthy, I Thread a lot, and i post a lot and sometimes argue with a person's theology. .. and you feel that if im really direct im not being nice. Then they get angry, report me, and then you think that being reported is me being guilty. Some people here live in the Report box because i dont agree with their gospel of works.

- The "battle" you are talking about has been going on since Genesis. The Title: "The Error of Cain". Its explained in Jude 1. And its explained more fully in Galatians 1:8. There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved. A legalist was running around here recently stating...."those who have ears to hear". Ok, HEAR WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU....OR NOT. So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation. To teach that you can "Lose your Salvation" is to teach that "Eternal Life" is not eternal, (who IS Christ in you) and that the Blood Atonement is only as good as you are..... Did you HEAR me? You are ONE or the OTHER......There is no in between........There is no common ground ever found between the CROSS and SELF EFFORT. Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved? Which one ARE YOU ???!!