BobRyan

At the rapture "the dead in Christ rise first" 1 Thess 4 ... at the "first resurrection" Rev 20:4-5 which is part of the Rev 19-Rev 20:5 second coming event -- When Christ "comes again" to take all the saints to heaven "to My Father's house" as in John 14:1-3 It is after the tribulation. How about Matt 24? 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. ... 29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. It is just ONE event - the second coming: John 14:1 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. Christ does not say "I will come again... and again... and again..." It is sudden and surprising Matt 24 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 1 Thess 5: . 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 2 Thess 1: 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction

the rapture - is the 2nd coming... It is after the tribulation. How about Matt 24? 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. ... 29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. It is just ONE event - the second coming: John 14:1 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. It is sudden and surprising Matt 24 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 1 Thess 5: . 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 2 Thess 1: 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction

Everyone has free will of course you can choose as you wish. But for the sake of clarity the point is not that the Jesuits promoted ideas for themselves - rather they promoted ideas to be inserted into protestantism as part of the counter reformation effort. So we are talking about facts of history and not preference about which history we might want to prefer. Lacunza’s book found its way to the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and there in 1826 Dr Maitland, the Archbishop’s librarian came upon it and read it and soon after began to issue a series of pamphlets Darby picks it up from a meeting in Ireland... Scofield gets it from Darby. As you said "go with the Bible". In the Bible Jesus said "I will come again to receive you to Myself" not "I will come again and again". Matthew 24 "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days... He will send forth His angels to gather His elect" It is at the John 14:1-3 "second coming" where "I will come again and RECEIVE you to Myself that WHERE I am there you may be also". Thus the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" 1 Thess 4 at the "FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:4-5 that occurs at the second coming described in Matthew 24, and John 14:1-3 and Rev 19-20:5 One Bible detail that helps us keep all this straight is to remember that all Bible timelines are contiguous units themselves. So the 70 years of Jeremiah discussed by Daniel in Dan 9:1-6 are all "contiguous years" back-to-back. No inserting "gaps of undefined time length" into the middle of the contiguous 70 year timeline. All bible timelines work that way - including the 70 week (490 year) timeline.

Matthew 24 "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days... He will send forth His angels to gather His elect" It is at the John 14:1-3 "second coming" where "I will come again and RECEIVE you to Myself that WHERE I am there you may be also". Thus the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" 1 Thess 4 at the "FIRST resurrection" Rev 20:4-5 that occurs at the second coming described in Matthew 24, and John 14:1-3 and Rev 19-20:5 One Bible detail that helps us keep all this straight is to remember that all Bible timelines are contiguous units themselves. So the 70 years of Jeremiah discussed by Daniel in Dan 9:1-6 are all "contiguous years" back-to-back. No inserting "gaps of undefined time length" into the middle of the contiguous 70 year timeline. All bible timelines work that way - including the 70 week (490 year) timeline.

scriptures are older than that. The pre-trib position is Jesuit. (a Chilean Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza) - part of the counter reformation. Even though the Bible only contains contiguous timeline prophecies - yet the slicing dicing chopping and disconnecting of the last week of Daniel 9 was introduced via Jesuit initiative and creative writing in the 16th century. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera (1537-1591) who first taught that the events prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation would not be fulfilled until three and a half years at the end of the age when an individual world dictator called Anti-Christ would arise. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Yet it was not for another two and a half centuries that the Jesuit doctrine began to gain acceptance by Evangelical Christians. In the early 19th Century Futurism entered the bloodstream of Protestant prophetic teaching by three doors: (a) A Chilean Jesuit priest, Emmanuel Lacunza wrote a book entitled ‘The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty’, and in its pages taught the novel notion that Christ returns not once, but twice, and at the ‘first stage’ of His return He ‘raptures’ His Church so they can escape the reign of the ‘future Antichrist’. In order to avoid any taint of Romanism, Lacunza published his book under the assumed name of Rabbi Ben Ezra, a supposedly converted Jew. Lacunza’s book found its way to the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and there in 1826 Dr Maitland, the Archbishop’s librarian came upon it and read it and soon after began to issue a series of pamphlets giving the Jesuit, Futurist view of prophecy. The idea soon found acceptance in the National Church of England, and then spread to the very heart of Protestantism. (b) The Secret Rapture doctrine was given a second door of entrance at this time by the ministry of one, Edward Irving…. (c) A third door of entrance to the Reformed fold via a sincere Christian, J. N. Darby, generally regarded as the founder of the ‘Brethren’. As an Anglican curate Darby attended a number of meetings on Bible Prophecy at Powerscourt in Ireland, and at these gatherings he learned about the ‘secret rapture’. He carried the teaching into the Brethren and hence into the heart of Evangelicalism. The teaching spread and was later popularized in the notes of the Schofield Reference Bible.

First of all - everyone has free will and can choose as they wish. But I find these Bible details hard to ignore.. Notice in both Genesis 2:1-3 and in Exodus 20:11 the Sabbath was set apart - sanctified and made for holy use in Genesis 2 without any animal sacrifice at all. Notice that in this "origins" doctrine Exodus 20:11 points to "nothing but Genesis 2" as the entire reason for mankind to observe the Sabbath. The Genesis 2 facts "alone" establish it. Of course you won't find the command "do not take God's name in vain" in Genesis 2 - but that does not mean it did not exist then. An "origins" Bible detail admitted to by D.L. Moody, the Baptist Confession of Faith, the Westminster Confession of Faith ... When both sides see a Bible detail as clearly as this ... well it just does not get any "easier than that". And Christ confirms the "Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 27:27 speaking of the making of BOTH in Genesis 1-2. Hence in Hebrews 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" The obvious question is -- "remains from when"? The text says it remains just as it was in Psalms 96 at time of David writing the Psalms. ok. Fine then how was David keeping the Sabbath? He kept it as God said to in Exodus 20:11 stating that it was given to mankind in Eden long before sin, before any need to redeem mankind from the curse of sin, the second death, the lake of fire. None of that was in context for the memorial of Creation week and had all mankind "remembered" what God said "not to forget" -- there would be no blind faith evolutionism today. -- no atheism -- no blindly redefining and destroying the Genesis 2 institution of marriage Christ's affirmation of the Law of Moses in Matt 22 and Mark 7? Christ's teaching -- in Mark 7 6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. 7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ 8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

I know a lot of people do say that - but as in the example above when they do that - they quote "themselves" ... I prefer scripture. Christ did not say in Matt 11 before the cross "stop keeping the Sabbath commandment just rest in Me and no need to keep that one as it is written... I am changing that now". In Matt 5 Christ specifically condemns the doctrine that claims Christ came to edit/delete/downsize the commandments. Mark 7:6-13 Christ hammers the religious leaders of his day - for trying to do such a thing themselves.

Lev 23 says "from evening until evening shall you celebrate the Sabbath" so it is from sunset to sunset ... almost all Orthodox Jews continue to observe it that way (as Christ would have done at the time of the Gospel) and so do most Saturday-Sabbath keeping Christians observe it that same way. a 24 hour period of rest from secular activity, a time of worship, fellowship on Christian subjects, and doing good for others including Gospel outreach. As for the TEN Commandments and whether or not they specify the 7th day of the week or the first --- we have this. Ex 20 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. As for Acts 20 -- there is no reference to "week-day-1 is holy" or "week-day-1 is our day of worship" or "the saints observe week-day-1" or "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day" or "every week-day-1 we gather" ... none of that is in any part of Acts 20 (nor is it in the entire Bible) Some will respond "that is because the tradition for week-day-1 observance is church tradition and not scripture" - well there are discussions that we could have on that point I suppose.

The dark ages persecution of the Christian church by pagan and papal Rome lasted for centuries not 3.5 years and the same day-for-year apocalyptic model that is confirmed for Israel and the coming of the Messiah in Daniel 9 - holds up consistently with the 1260 year period of the dark ages. Ending around 1798 with America rising up after that - to become the great global super power.

Daniel 9 .. 70 weeks = 490 days = 490 solar years. The probationary timeline for Israel. The text says from the going forth of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (in Ezra 6:14 a three-part decree having three kings takin part in it) which is 457 B.C there would be 69 weeks (483 years) to the Messiah -- which takes us to 27 A.D. when Christ was baptized. In the midst of that next 7 years - He was crucified. Then at then end of that last week of years - 34 A.D you have the stoning of Stephen and the conversion of Saul to Paul -- ministry to the gentiles begins. So the "day for year" Bible model for apocalyptic time line interpretation has been proven. It is no mere guess that it works that way. By contrast all the other options are filled with unproven guesswork.

All apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism just as we see in Daniel 9 - 70 weeks = 490 apoc days = 490 literal solar years. This was proven to be true - as Christ came the first time just as the 490 timeline of Dan 9 predicted. The 1260 days of Daniel 7 and Rev 11, and Rev 12 and Rev 13 work the same way. 3.5 years = 42 months = 1260 apoc days = 1260 literal solar years And you are right about the 2nd beast and the false prophet of Rev 19 being the same entity. All beasts in Dan 7 and Rev 13 are nations/empires/religion/system-of-some-sort not an actual single person.

Well it is true as you say that the second beast is called the false prophet in Rev 19, but just like in Rev 17 the whore of Babylon is an organization/nation/religion and not a single individual ... just as all the beasts in Rev 13 and Daniel 7 are also not individual people - but a system/nation/empire/religion so the beast-false-prophet of Rev 13 and 19 is not an individual. The first beast in Rev 13 is the dragon's agent in Rev 12 who tried to kill Christ at his birth. So yes Satan is ultimately behind it (and is the buck-stope-here ultimate source behind all evil no matter what form it takes) -- but it was pagan Rome that actually did the act of trying to kill the infant Christ.

No text says the first beast comes up out of the abyss. The first beast torments the woman of Rev 12 for 1260 years -- the dark ages.

Here is the text -- it does not mention the false prophet. Rev 13 11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his (first beast) presence. And he (second beast) makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he (second beast) deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him (second beast) to perform in the presence of the beast (first beast), telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the (first beast) beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15 And it was given to him (second beast) to give breath to the image of the beast (first beast), so that the image of the beast (first beast) would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast (first beast) to be killed. 16 And he (second beast) causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he (second beast) provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast (first beast) or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast (first beast) , for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. Instead this referes to "antoher beast" (so then second beast) and also the "First beast" . I have added qualifiers in parenthesis to make clear the association as I understand it.

That is a highly speculative statement. I prefer the "Bible is trustworthy" alternative. Which is the only way that John the baptizer and Christ could have a "Time is fulfilled" message about the 490 years of Daniel 9 and all the people knew exactly what they meant. That ship has already sailed. Bible details matter.

I am sorry to say - this is completely the wrong focus. The "sin" is not a credit card or "chip". The "sin" is what the Beast will be asking you to do - where the sign that you did it - is that the Beast allows you to have the chip or the card. I am fairly certain that BEFORE this becomes a sin at the level of "mark of the beast" - that "card" or whatever, will already have been distributed (as the latest feature in the new-improved kind of monitor and control), just like driver's licenses and SSNs and Passports etc are already used for 'monitor and control' today. The "solution" was never "so don't get a driver's license". In the same way the solution to whatever improved technology they come up with BEFORE the mark of the beast is even an issue at all - won't be the "problem". It is merely their "solution" for how they can have even better monitor and control - than they already have today.

Daniel said it is all ONE - "70 weeks have been determined" -- it is one 490 year timeline. A contiguous time prophecy - even those who try to butcher the prophecy expose their flaw by calling it "the 70th week" -- thus admitting it is in fact a single 70 week prophecy - 490 years. And of course all timelines in the Bible are contiguous within themselves. This is irrefutable. Daniel 9 understand the vision: 24 “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. 25 “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” The 70 weeks are discussed in 3 parts. 7 weeks -- 49 years 62 weeks - 434 years 1 week -- 7 years. And no excuse at all is given for "insert undefined lengths of time between each of these to totally corrupt the measuring line". Timelines are corrupted by breaking them in sgemens and injecting your own guesswork-length-of-time into them (Where even you would admit that you have no clue what unknown lengths are you wish to inject)

The more gyrations needed - the less likely it is true. Why not just accept it as it reads? With a simple "day for year" model that has already been spelled out for us in the case of the first coming of Christ and the 490 year timeline of Daniel 9. Indeed. With some very obvious and simple rules. 1. All apocalyptic timelines use the same day-for-year model - just as we see in Daniel 7 and its 70 weeks = 490 years example - perfectly predicting the first coming of Christ and the period of grace extended to the nation of Israel - 490 years. 2. All bible timelines are contiguous - so then the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah that Daniel discusses at the beginning cannot be corrupted by inserting gaps of undefined length into it - just as the 70 weeks prophecy as the end of Daniel 9 cannot be abused in that way. 3. The time-times-1/2Time of Daniel 7 and Rev 11,12,13 are the same length of time = 3.5 apocalyptic years = 42 apoc months = 1260 days = 1260 years. It is the same length of time in all cases - the same block of time between Christ's resurrection and the 2nd coming - that occurs between those two events. The "Dark Ages". It is 490 days = 490 years. The first 483 years takes us exactly to the start of Christ's ministry - his 'anointing' by the Holy Spirit at His baptism - start of ministry. That begin the last "week" and in the midst of it - he is cut off (crucified) and he causes sacrifices and offerings to cease (Hebrews 10:4-12 confirms this) Indeed - the day-for-year method is clearly being used in Daniel 9. It is not a "guess" it is a proven principle and can be seen to accurately predict the coming of the Messiah for Daniel. When John and Christ begin to preach they start with "the time is fulfilled" -- what time? the first 69 weeks -- the first 483 years of that contiguous 490 year timeline.

The more gyrations needed - the less likely it is true. Why not just accept it as it reads? With a simple "day for year" model that has already been spelled out for us in the case of the first coming of Christ and the 490 year timeline of Daniel 9.

Yes it has. The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 point to the first coming of Christ... He already came just as predicted in the 70 weeks -- 490 year timeline.

Literal Jews in the OT - looking for literal earthly Canaan - many of which died without ever reaching it. Yet all who trust in Christ - eternal life. Post-trib: Matthew 24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... He will send forth His angels to gather His elect" Matt 24 Post wrath: 1 Thess 4 "the dead in Christ rise FIRST" Rev 21 "This is the FIRST resurrection..blessed and holy is he who has part in the FIRST resurrection over THESE the second death has no power" Rev 19 is the 2nd coming - rapture and resurrection of the saints. It is after the 7 last plagues wrath of Rev 16. Keys to Bible prophecy A. All Bible timelines are contiguous -- just like Daniel 9:1-7 points out - with the 70 years of Jeremiah. B. All apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism just like the Daniel 9 seventy week (490 day) prophecy of Daniel. .So also the 2300 days of Daniel 8, and 1260 days of Daniel 7, and Rev 11, 12,13 C. Later writers use the symbols employed by earlier writers - assuming that the reader is already informed about symbols previously explained. True - and that happens in Rev 20:1-6 at the second coming - during the 1000 years - all the saints in heaven. That is true - all the saints will return after the 1000 years of Rev 20 and in Rev 21 we have the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. So the saints are taken to heaven - raptured at the 2nd coming -- spend 1000 years in heaven - then at the end the New Jerusalem with the saints that have been in it for 1000 years, comes down to Earth.

That is the only one that works God has had his elect in every age - and it is the elect of all ages that is the only explanation satisfying the context for Matthew 24 Keys to Bible prophecy A. All Bible timelines are contiguous -- just like Daniel 9:1-7 points out - with the 70 years of Jeremiah. B. All apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism just like the Daniel 9 seventy week (490 day) prophecy of Daniel. .So also the 2300 days of Daniel 8, and 1260 days of Daniel 7, and Rev 11, 12,13 C. Later writers use the symbols employed by earlier writers - assuming that the reader is already informed about symbols previously explained.

Amen! wayyy toooo much "supposin".

Granted. But I have read my Bible - You are free of course - to speculate what might happen in the future -- But we have the Bible on this point - which is far more reliable than that. Both Romans 1 and Romans 2 - give examples of success and of failure. Romans 2 is specific showing that both success and failure are to be found among the Jews and among the Gentiles. Romans 2:11 "God is NOT partial" to one group or the other. Hi Marilyn True - in Christ they are one. In Christ and Christ alone we have "the elect". He comes to get "His elect" -- the ONE group that He has made. And we see it in Matthew 24 -there is ONE coming of Christ in the future and at the ONE coming Christ described in Matt 24 - He gets his "elect". Until you read Hebrews 12 18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. Give me the Bible "AND" the words IN the Bible. That text merely says that they died and are not in heaven yet - and that we too will be with them one day at the 2nd coming. - in heaven... one group. In the OT Israel was promised some property in Palestine. Now it is pretty much a dessert and Israel is nothing like the nation it was under Solomon. We now wait for the 2nd coming when all of God's elect - including the saints who happen to be physical Jews will be taken to heaven - to the Hebrews 12 and Rev 21 "New Jerusalem". In Rev 21 we get a New Earth - AND the New Jerusalem - after the 1000 years. That is all the saints. Not some of them.. all of them. Rev 21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” 9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” The New Jerusalem 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God.

Matt 22 - the TWO greatest commandments - according to Christ - are still to be found in the Law of Moses Deut 6:5 - Love God with all your heart Lev 19:18 - Love your neighbor as yourself. James 2 : 8 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, Indeed - even the commandment "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled by loving God. 1 John 5:2-3 "This iS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" Under thee New Covenant the LAW is written on the heart and mind Hebrews 8:6-10 True - He was the only sinless one. He needed no salvation. He perfectly complied with commandments of God - including "do not take God's name in vain" John 14:15 "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" -- right in the TEN Commandments themselves Rom 3:19-20 the role of the Law for unbelievers - is to condemn the sinner showing our need of Christ. Romans 6, Romans 8:4-9 the Law for believers - is written on the heart Jeremiah 31:31-33 and we live a life in harmony with it 1 John 3:4 The Bible has determined my theology.