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  1. Lol I addressed the claims not Omegaman, claims that Allen Parr of The Beat addresses in his video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLEwALutUc I only tackled two claims about Joyce. I used a video showing she does not hold views. No one has yet provided ample proof she did before save sound bytes I question because they are easily altered. If anyone has video and booo of hers making claims 1) and 2) then share em. But ai tire of doing all the work, reading her book to see if she said that, checking videos and soundbytes while you people hurl accusations at her and me. Fair Well, I really hope our mansions in heaven are far.. far.. apart, cuz I don’t want you as a neighbor.
  2. Of course, you must answer with your conscious. This thread would be dull if no one disagreed. In disagreeing we often learn more.
  3. My mind isn’t made up. I am examinimg facts. I shared the video where Joyce herself in her own words affirms Jesus is the Son of God and we keep sinning (that she does not say she isn’t a sinner). I am now going to read her book where people claim she wrote about Jesus going hell and being tormented, to see if she says that. I paid 7.99 USD to read and confirm or disprove if that claim against her is true or false. As always its about quality of evidence and sources. That is what matters.
  4. Thanks. Its 78 pages on Amazon Kindle. I’ll buy it and read it and report back.
  5. What is book’s name? I may be able to find it. I haven’t been able to get the book’s name.
  6. Yeah that one I can’t find any direct source to, its a quote of some book she allegedly wrote. I want to share something I learned, Nestorius was credited as founding a heretical group that believed there are two christs, one flesh and evil, one spirit and good. When Nestorius was tried for heresy, they found he had been trying to simply explain the two natures of Christ as both God and Man (Romans 1:1-5) to people, and they in their misunderstanding founded a cult (Nestorianism) using his name. Sadly even though Nestorius was cleared of saying heresy, the damage was done, people associate the heresy with him because people misunderstanding what he taught created a doctrine out of it. His name is Mud now. That is a concern I also have for people, if they are accused, it can stick even after they are cleared.
  7. So Worthy! Amen and Amen! “Matthew 7:1-5 Judging Others [1] “Judge not, that you be not judged. [2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. [3] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? [4] Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? [5] You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
  8. I didn’t say writings weren’t concrete. Voice recordings bother me because on News channels I have heard them doctored. My issue is only with sound bytes. Writings depends. If its someone’s blog who quotes her, I am less inclined, if itd in ine of her blogs, books, tracts and etc from Joyce Meyer’s Ministries, that is more concretw proof. The quality of sources matter, there are people who try to discredit anc destroy and use texts and etc out of context. Its best to have the person’s actual words in their own book or video to prove they really said that, “horse’s mouth,” rather than someone claiming they said that.
  9. Uh I posted the claims people made about her, and then shared her own video that debunked two of those claims. Its not love of a speaker. I actually haven’t watched Joyce in years. I made it my duty to investigate heretical claims against her, to see if what lots of people said was true, because Scripture tells us slander is evil, “Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.” (James 4:11) “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” (Exodus 20:16) “To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.” (Titus 3:2) “So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander.” (1 Peter 2:1) “nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:10) I take these verses very seriously as I do all Scripture, that slandering is evil. Again if you have concrete proof of heresy, and wish to fight it, then that is fine. But allegations against a sister in Christ, Joyce Meyer, have been made that have been proven to be unfounded by her own words on her own ministry: I believe the Church is tearing itself apart with slander, gossip, and accusing one another: “But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another.” (Galatians 5:15)
  10. Same here. I have never seen her say these things people claim are heresies she said. I have watched many of her sermons, interviews, conferences, and etc and never heard her say anything unscriptural. I believe people accusing her on youtube and on websites are envious of her success (James 3:14-16), and others don’t like she is woman that teaches, and so they seek to harm her reputation and defame her.
  11. That is wise. But Joyce has been slandered. People said she says “Jesus Stopped Being The Son of God,” and that “she says isn’t a sinner.” She says the opposite in the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1Y0Xvs2Zs She calls Jesus the Son in John 3:16 and says we still sin.
  12. Here is Joyce on Jesus: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1Y0Xvs2Zs Nothing about 1) claim {Jesus stopped being Son of God} is here. She is espousing Scripture. She even quotes John 3:16 “For God So Loved The World, that He gave His Only Begotten Son..” She quotes Jesus is the Son of God refuting the 1) claim. Video also refutes claim 2) {That Joyce said she isn’t a sinner} She says we continue to sin at 5:20-5:28/ 15:18 in the video above. So both 1) and 2) claims are false according to what she says here on her video. TAG: @Omegaman 3.0@missmuffet
  13. We should confront unsound doctrine, heresies, and false teachers, but we must have concrete proof of error, and not slander or defame. We must take care like a detective solving a crime, and make sure we gather “hard” evidence if there is any. That is my chief concern, that sound doctrine prevail, but that no one is needlessly demonized for something you cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt they believe. If its published in their book or in a video, that is more concrete than sound clips that can be edited from multiple sermons to make sentences: See the movie Sneakers, “My voice is my password,” where Marty (Robert Redford) and his team have to piece together words a bald man says to create his sentence key code.
  14. This is to continue a conversation on Joyce Meyer. Claims against her as a false teacher are: 1) She claims Jesus is no longer The Son of God (heresy) 2) She says she isn’t a Sinner On the 1) I found only a sound bites of her with a still photo on youtube. Anyone can splice words together from what she had said with movie making programs. 2) Could be semantics, she says she isn’t a sinner. The context could be, we are “A New Creation” in Christ, baptized in his death and ao are not sinners anymore but “Kings and Priests.” (Revelation 1:5-6). If she says she doesn’t sin, then that falls under, “if we say we have not sinned, we call God a liar.” (1 John 1:10) If either of these or more can be verified, then yes its heresy and must be addressed. The biggest problem is all the sound bites are grainy and doesn’t sound like her voice pitch. I’d be more convinced if there was video footage of one of her sermons. Everyone knows you can easily doctor audio. Video or a published book is harder.
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