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  1. Saturday or Sunday?

    There are over 1150 New Testament Commands.. Just what exactly is "God's Limit"?? Impossible to "Be your own Savior" that is true. But Romans 8:4-9 says it is only the lost who "do not submit to the LAW of God --neither indeed CAN they" Because for the saved under the NEW Covenant - the LAW of God "is written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 The gospel is not a story about getting Christians to take God's name in vain - and then feel good about it. And I think we all know that much.
  2. Saturday or Sunday?

    How true. "not taking God's name in vain" -- is this "salvation by works"?? -- no! "Honoring Parents" -- is this "salvation by works"?? -- no! Bottom line... God's Word is not evil.
  3. Saturday or Sunday?

    Well it is better to actually read the Bible in context than to wrench a tiny snip as in the case above. Numbers 28 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Command the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be careful to present My offering, My food for My offerings by fire, of a soothing aroma to Me, at their appointed time.’ 3 You shall say to them, ‘This is the offering by fire which you shall offer to the Lord: two male lambs one year old without defect as a continual burnt offering every day. ... so then "don't be a Christian every day unless you want to offer animal sacrifices every day?" -- we know such snip-and-wrench is not correct. 1. Animal sacrifices ended at the cross - Hebrews 10:4-11 2. Earthly priesthood ended at the cross -- Hebrews 7 - 8:5 3. Sabbath begins in Eden BEFORE sin and BEFORE animal sacrifices - Genesis 2:1-3 Exodus 20:11 Mark 2:27-28 4. Sabbath to be kept by all mankind in the New Earth -- for all eternity after the cross.. no animal sacrifices - Isaiah 66:23 5. Sabbath was for gentiles EVEN in the OT - Isaiah 56:5-8 6. Saints KEEP the Commandments of God Rev 14:12 7. This IS the "Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3 Details matter.
  4. Saturday or Sunday?

    Interesting speculation not sure it will hold up to scripture. Jer 31:31-33 - the "NEW Covenant" -- includes the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" Eph 6:2 Honor your father and mother which is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN BTW -- attack whole denominations.. even this-or-that Sabbath-keeping denomination .. is not the same thing as reconciling an anti-Commandment-of-God theology with the Bible.
  5. Saturday or Sunday?

    Lots of false accusation... easy enough to post
  6. Saturday or Sunday?

    So then why bother with the Bible when Catholic sources are so happy to 'make stuff up'?? That is the "solution"??? Acts 20 28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears. Gal 1:6-9 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! Col 2 20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence. Mark 7 7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ 8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” 9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” ==================================================== Among Protestants there is such a thing as "sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice
  7. Saturday or Sunday?

    The problem with that is that both Jews AND gentiles were there and were being evangelized and instead of telling the gentiles "come back tomorrow on the Lord's Day our Christian day of worship" it is continually "next Sabbath" it is continually "Sabbath after Sabbath" and "every Sabbath" in those texts you gave. Rather than getting the believing Gentiles to at least attend a single Sunday service. That is a historic detail in the text that the pro-sunday position does not survive. in your own quote below it is GENTILES asking for more Gospel preaching "next Sabbath" not Jews. Act 13:42 (42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Even in Acts 20 there is no "first day of the week is the Lord's Day" or "we meet every week day 1" rather it is a Saturday evening service and on week-day-1 they plan all-day-travel.
  8. christians-feel-four-ten-no-longer-important

    That link says - " The four which have fallen by the wayside are the requirement not to worship idols, use the Lord's name in vain, to worship no other God, and to keep the Sabbath day holy. " Such an "instructive contrast" between what some "Christians FEEL" vs what the Bible actual SAYS. More and more these days "feelings are the new Bible"... does not work out so well according to Christ in Matthew 7
  9. Saturday or Sunday?

    Good point. A lot to be said in favor of that sola-scriptura testing of all doctrine and practice.
  10. Saturday or Sunday?

    This thread is titled "Saturday or Sunday" -- it is about the weekly Sabbath... not yearly feast days. There is only one Bible Sabbath in terms of a weekly day of rest. We see it in Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:11 reminds us that it is the same Sabbath that we see in Exodus 20. And in Acts 13, Acts 17:3-5, Acts 18:4-5... it is still the same term for Sabbath.. No change. What is more Isaiah 66:23 says it is that same Exodus 20 Sabbath that will be kept by "all mankind" for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth. This is irrefutable.
  11. Saturday or Sunday?

    A great many Christians believe you should not take God's name in vain once you decide to be a Christian. Many also believe you should cease with child pornography, prostitution.. working as a hit man.. torturing the saints during the Spanish inquisition... once you are converted. Christ said "By their fruits you shall know them" Matthew 7 James said that "dead faith" is the faith that produces nothing. We probably both agree on this point. But the born-again saint in Romans 8:4-9 is contrasted with the lost person this way.. "The mind set on the flesh does NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Thus the saved and the lost are contrasted in that chapter. Perhaps you agree with this as well. The Bible teaches that we are saved by placing our trust in Christ, period. Anyone who receives Christ's death, burial and resurrection as full-payment for their sins is saved. Even childlike faith is enough to save a person. But that does not mean you can live like that devil and "stay saved". "I forgave you ALL That DEBT!!" - Matt 18 I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
  12. Saturday or Sunday?

    True. The act of obedience to even an animal-sacrifice LAW in the OT on the part of Able was not a sign of "trying to earn heaven by works" rather even Hebrews 11 points out that Noah had a religion of "righteousness by faith" and God points out that the "Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8. God was not giving commands in the OT to get people to sin or to reject the Gospel in any way. Hopefully we can agree on this basic point. True. True today and true in the OT. Thus in Matthew 17 we have both Moses and Elijah standing WITH Christ in glory - BEFORE the cross. Thus in Hebrews 11 it is the OT giants of faith that are held up before the NT Christians as "models". Thus we find in 1 Cor 10:2-5 "they all drank from the same Spiritual Rock and that ROCK was Christ" speaking of the OT saints. Nothing in the Bible says "once the Messiah comes don't worry about trying not to take God's name in vain" .. Also in Isaiah 66:23 we are told that for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth "from SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
  13. Saturday or Sunday?

    True and that point is made in Hebrews 10 just as you point out... but it is not the point of Col 2. In Col 2 Paul specifically attacks the idea of "making stuff up" of judging others based on "things you make up". Christ also condemns that in Matthew 7 before the cross. .It is "no change" pre-cross or post-Cross. But the Hebrews 10 teaching IS about a change after the cross - the "end of sacrifices and offerings" -- specifically animal sacrifices and the earthly priesthood of Hebrews 7. That looks like you -- quoting God in Exodus 20 - then trying to spin it as some sort of command to "do evil" as if not taking God's name in vain and honoring God's Sabbath were evil laws meant to lead man into more sin. surely that is not your argument ... right??
  14. Saturday or Sunday?

    Hi Hazard -- I am not annoyed and I don't take anything personally -- because I agree with you that everyone has a right to their POV and should not be told they do not have that right. I for one fully believe in that statement -- even when I state my own view from the Bible in a rather direct manner. The Jews did not make up anything in the Bible (2 Tim 3:16, 2Peter 1:19-21) - God gave them many shadows in animal sacrifices pointing to Christ so we have things in 1 Cor 5 of the form "Christ our Passover has been sacrificed". These sacrifices were shadows pointing forward to the sacrifice of Christ. They were also visual aides illustrating key Gospel themes.
  15. Saturday or Sunday?

    All who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer what?? 2 Tim 3:12 3 Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 2:3 And remember that "discussion" such as on this board is in fact the "IDEAL" scenario because on the 500th celebration of the Protestant Reformation nobody here is being burned alive for holding to the Bible above the traditions of man.
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