BobRyan

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  1. I am sorry to say - this is completely the wrong focus. The "sin" is not a credit card or "chip". The "sin" is what the Beast will be asking you to do - where the sign that you did it - is that the Beast allows you to have the chip or the card. I am fairly certain that BEFORE this becomes a sin at the level of "mark of the beast" - that "card" or whatever, will already have been distributed (as the latest feature in the new-improved kind of monitor and control), just like driver's licenses and SSNs and Passports etc are already used for 'monitor and control' today. The "solution" was never "so don't get a driver's license". In the same way the solution to whatever improved technology they come up with BEFORE the mark of the beast is even an issue at all - won't be the "problem". It is merely their "solution" for how they can have even better monitor and control - than they already have today.
  2. Daniel said it is all ONE - "70 weeks have been determined" -- it is one 490 year timeline. A contiguous time prophecy - even those who try to butcher the prophecy expose their flaw by calling it "the 70th week" -- thus admitting it is in fact a single 70 week prophecy - 490 years. And of course all timelines in the Bible are contiguous within themselves. This is irrefutable. Daniel 9 understand the vision: 24 “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. 25 “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” The 70 weeks are discussed in 3 parts. 7 weeks -- 49 years 62 weeks - 434 years 1 week -- 7 years. And no excuse at all is given for "insert undefined lengths of time between each of these to totally corrupt the measuring line". Timelines are corrupted by breaking them in sgemens and injecting your own guesswork-length-of-time into them (Where even you would admit that you have no clue what unknown lengths are you wish to inject)
  3. The more gyrations needed - the less likely it is true. Why not just accept it as it reads? With a simple "day for year" model that has already been spelled out for us in the case of the first coming of Christ and the 490 year timeline of Daniel 9. Indeed. With some very obvious and simple rules. 1. All apocalyptic timelines use the same day-for-year model - just as we see in Daniel 7 and its 70 weeks = 490 years example - perfectly predicting the first coming of Christ and the period of grace extended to the nation of Israel - 490 years. 2. All bible timelines are contiguous - so then the 70 year prophecy of Jeremiah that Daniel discusses at the beginning cannot be corrupted by inserting gaps of undefined length into it - just as the 70 weeks prophecy as the end of Daniel 9 cannot be abused in that way. 3. The time-times-1/2Time of Daniel 7 and Rev 11,12,13 are the same length of time = 3.5 apocalyptic years = 42 apoc months = 1260 days = 1260 years. It is the same length of time in all cases - the same block of time between Christ's resurrection and the 2nd coming - that occurs between those two events. The "Dark Ages". It is 490 days = 490 years. The first 483 years takes us exactly to the start of Christ's ministry - his 'anointing' by the Holy Spirit at His baptism - start of ministry. That begin the last "week" and in the midst of it - he is cut off (crucified) and he causes sacrifices and offerings to cease (Hebrews 10:4-12 confirms this) Indeed - the day-for-year method is clearly being used in Daniel 9. It is not a "guess" it is a proven principle and can be seen to accurately predict the coming of the Messiah for Daniel. When John and Christ begin to preach they start with "the time is fulfilled" -- what time? the first 69 weeks -- the first 483 years of that contiguous 490 year timeline.
  4. The more gyrations needed - the less likely it is true. Why not just accept it as it reads? With a simple "day for year" model that has already been spelled out for us in the case of the first coming of Christ and the 490 year timeline of Daniel 9.
  5. Yes it has. The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 point to the first coming of Christ... He already came just as predicted in the 70 weeks -- 490 year timeline.
  6. Literal Jews in the OT - looking for literal earthly Canaan - many of which died without ever reaching it. Yet all who trust in Christ - eternal life. Post-trib: Matthew 24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... He will send forth His angels to gather His elect" Matt 24 Post wrath: 1 Thess 4 "the dead in Christ rise FIRST" Rev 21 "This is the FIRST resurrection..blessed and holy is he who has part in the FIRST resurrection over THESE the second death has no power" Rev 19 is the 2nd coming - rapture and resurrection of the saints. It is after the 7 last plagues wrath of Rev 16. Keys to Bible prophecy A. All Bible timelines are contiguous -- just like Daniel 9:1-7 points out - with the 70 years of Jeremiah. B. All apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism just like the Daniel 9 seventy week (490 day) prophecy of Daniel. .So also the 2300 days of Daniel 8, and 1260 days of Daniel 7, and Rev 11, 12,13 C. Later writers use the symbols employed by earlier writers - assuming that the reader is already informed about symbols previously explained. True - and that happens in Rev 20:1-6 at the second coming - during the 1000 years - all the saints in heaven. That is true - all the saints will return after the 1000 years of Rev 20 and in Rev 21 we have the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. So the saints are taken to heaven - raptured at the 2nd coming -- spend 1000 years in heaven - then at the end the New Jerusalem with the saints that have been in it for 1000 years, comes down to Earth.
  7. That is the only one that works God has had his elect in every age - and it is the elect of all ages that is the only explanation satisfying the context for Matthew 24 Keys to Bible prophecy A. All Bible timelines are contiguous -- just like Daniel 9:1-7 points out - with the 70 years of Jeremiah. B. All apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year symbolism just like the Daniel 9 seventy week (490 day) prophecy of Daniel. .So also the 2300 days of Daniel 8, and 1260 days of Daniel 7, and Rev 11, 12,13 C. Later writers use the symbols employed by earlier writers - assuming that the reader is already informed about symbols previously explained.
  8. Amen! wayyy toooo much "supposin".
  9. Granted. But I have read my Bible - You are free of course - to speculate what might happen in the future -- But we have the Bible on this point - which is far more reliable than that. Both Romans 1 and Romans 2 - give examples of success and of failure. Romans 2 is specific showing that both success and failure are to be found among the Jews and among the Gentiles. Romans 2:11 "God is NOT partial" to one group or the other. Hi Marilyn True - in Christ they are one. In Christ and Christ alone we have "the elect". He comes to get "His elect" -- the ONE group that He has made. And we see it in Matthew 24 -there is ONE coming of Christ in the future and at the ONE coming Christ described in Matt 24 - He gets his "elect". Until you read Hebrews 12 18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. Give me the Bible "AND" the words IN the Bible. That text merely says that they died and are not in heaven yet - and that we too will be with them one day at the 2nd coming. - in heaven... one group. In the OT Israel was promised some property in Palestine. Now it is pretty much a dessert and Israel is nothing like the nation it was under Solomon. We now wait for the 2nd coming when all of God's elect - including the saints who happen to be physical Jews will be taken to heaven - to the Hebrews 12 and Rev 21 "New Jerusalem". In Rev 21 we get a New Earth - AND the New Jerusalem - after the 1000 years. That is all the saints. Not some of them.. all of them. Rev 21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7 He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” 9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” The New Jerusalem 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God.
  10. Matt 22 - the TWO greatest commandments - according to Christ - are still to be found in the Law of Moses Deut 6:5 - Love God with all your heart Lev 19:18 - Love your neighbor as yourself. James 2 : 8 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, Indeed - even the commandment "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled by loving God. 1 John 5:2-3 "This iS the Love of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" Under thee New Covenant the LAW is written on the heart and mind Hebrews 8:6-10 True - He was the only sinless one. He needed no salvation. He perfectly complied with commandments of God - including "do not take God's name in vain" John 14:15 "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" -- right in the TEN Commandments themselves Rom 3:19-20 the role of the Law for unbelievers - is to condemn the sinner showing our need of Christ. Romans 6, Romans 8:4-9 the Law for believers - is written on the heart Jeremiah 31:31-33 and we live a life in harmony with it 1 John 3:4 The Bible has determined my theology.
  11. Rev 14:12 says the saints "keep the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- to find a discussion where one side argues the Commandments of God are deleted/nailed to the cross under the New Covenant - while another side argues that they remain and are written on the heart under the New Covenant - NT just as they were OT - all you have to do is look for a thread on the "TEN Commandments" or a thread that picks out one of the TEN to ignore or support.
  12. Matt 10:28 the wicked are going to be destroyed "BOTH body AND soul - in fiery hell" Rev 14 -- The wicked " 10 ...will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. " Lake of fire - fire and brimstone - the full event takes place not only IN THE PRESENCE of Christ - but also in the very presence of the Holy Angels. Every bit of it. the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah via 'eternal fire' in Jude 1 - is such that it "destroys them by reducing them to ashes" 2 Peter 2:6and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a perfect example of "eternal fire" no need to speculate. Jude 1 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Even Satan himself - reduced to ashes. Ezek 28:16 “By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I put you before kings, That they may see you. 18 “By the multitude of your iniquities, In the unrighteousness of your trade You profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you; It has consumed you, And I have turned you to ashes on the earth In the eyes of all who see you. 19 “All who know you among the peoples Are appalled at you; You have become terrified And you will cease to be forever.”’”
  13. That is a claim to "never actually destroyed" - yet the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah via 'eternal fire' in Jude 1 - is such that it "destroys them by reducing them to ashes" 2 Peter 2:6and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a perfect example of "eternal fire" no need to speculate. Jude 1 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
  14. Lots of "you quoting you" in that post -- what about the Bible?
  15. yes - and that is the point - it does it's work and then the destruction lasts forever