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  1. I hope not. Because if it is wrong to dislike that music -- I am in a world of trouble as well.
  2. "the dead in Christ" will rise again according to 1 Thess 4 - at the rapture. (which happens at the Rev 19-20 2nd Coming of Christ event where the saints are in the first resurrection) In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 - even Abraham depicted as sovereign over all the dead in Christ - states that for Lazarus to come back and minister to the living / warn the living // he would have to first be resurrected. So then we have 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
  3. 1. a lot of people here would argue that we have bodies and we breathe air. 2. I don't understand what you mean when you say the text is talking about killing your body but not killing your ability to breathe air. If we really are talking about the ability to breathe air - then that ends the moment your body is killed. So in that model there is no such thing as "fear those who kill the body but cannot kill your ability to breathe air". 3. 1 Cor 15 mentions nothing about "God's memory" -- rather Jesus said "Father into Thy hands I commend My spirit ... and so also does Stephen when he is being stoned to death". I believe the spirit/soul of the person goes dormant at death. -- someone has said that God keeps the info to make copies of you ... but that is not what we see with "into Thy hands I commit my spirit". Rather in that case it is the person themselves in the form of their spirit - that goes to God - in a dormant state "Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake HIM". Thus it is a "transfer" that is taking place - and not a memorex copy/duplication. The same person is being "transferred" from the decaying-tent of 2Cor 5:1-7 to the eternal heavenly dwelling/tent of 2Cor 5. The mortal body and then transferred to the immortal one. In 1 Cor 15 the physical body is something we "have" not something we "are" - just as in 2Cor 5.
  4. Acts 20 - Paul says "I know that after my departure wolves will come in.. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for a period of three years I did not cease to admonish each one with tears. 1 Tim 1 - the whole reason Paul leaves Timothy at Ephesus is to squash the heresy already arising in the church at that location - 3 As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. So strong was the spirit of apostasy that by the late first century they were tossing people out of church who dared to continue to listen to the Apostle John. 3 John 1 9 I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. 10 For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church. If we learned anything from the dark ages - it was that simply relying on someone else's "say so" is not good enough. Paul makes this flaming declaration "even if WE (apostles) OR an ANGEL from HEAVEN should preach to you any other Gospel - let him be ACCURSED!" Gal 1:6-9 Isaiah 8:20 "To the Law and to the Testimony - if they speak not according to THIS Word - there is no light in them"
  5. Well - Christ is "God the Son" and from eternity past - so then the "Spirit of Christ" is preaching the Gospel in the OT - according to even NT writers. 1 Peter 1 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. With the result as noted above in the ost you are responding to Hebrews 4:2 says "the Gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also" Christ also affirming this Gospel message in the OT - in John 8 "Abraham rejoice to see MY day and he saw it - and was glad" No wonder then that the Bible says "the Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 Yes - the "First resurrection" of Rev 20:3-5 of the "blessed and holy" where the "dead in Christ rise first" - 1 Thess 4. True - they may not have had the exact number of details we have today. Yet the Bible says "WE have had the Gospel preached to us just as THEY also" Hebrews 4:2 True - the fact that they had the Gospel preached to them does not mean they did not sin. All need Gospel forgiveness - just as Moses and Elijah needed it - to be able to stand "with Christ" in Matthew 17 on the mount of transfiguration - in glory with Christ - before the Cross. All the saints in the Bible that were taken directly to heaven - without dying - were taken in the OT. (Elijah and Enoch) Romans 4 says that God is not at all limited by time - and views those things that are not as though they are - such that "a father of many nations HAVE I made you" is said to Abraham while as yet he had none. The One Gospel preached in the OT was in full effect. That means as Jesus points out to Nicodemus in John 3 the born-again experience is an OT one. The key is to remember that the fallen condition of man - as described in Romans 3 - does not allow for a half-saved half-converted person to be a saint, to be one of the Hebrews 11 giants of faith held up before the NT church as "examples" for them to follow. It takes the full gospel benefit to save the lost. 1 Cor 10:4 "they all drank from the same Spiritual Rock - and that Rock was Christ" - the one teaching them, and going along with them - was Christ. In Hebrews 8:6-10 it is Christ that delivered them from Egypt and speaks the Ten Commandments from Sinai.
  6. Shabbat Shalom! How do you read MAtthew 10:28?
  7. Is Acts 17:11 and Isaiah 8:20 "error" in your view?
  8. Swearing falsely by God's name is not a reference to Exodus 20:7 but rather to -- taking vows and fulfilling them. Lev 19: 12 You shall not swear falsely by My name, so as to profane the name of your God; I am the Lord. Num 30:2 If a man makes a vow to the Lord, or takes an oath to bind himself with a binding obligation, he shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. Deut 23:21 When you make a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it, for it would be sin in you, and the Lord your God will surely require it of you. So then MAtthew 5:33 33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not make false vows, but shall fulfill your vows to the Lord.’...But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
  9. All Bible timelines are contiguous. That includes the 70 years of Jeremiah referenced in Daniel 9:1-5. That includes the 70 weeks of years in Daniel 9 (490 years) that point to the coming of the Messiah. That includes the 1260 years of dark ages (day for year) in Daniel 7, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13. That includes the 2300 years (day for year) in Daniel 8
  10. 1. Because Matthew 24 says "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.. he will send forth His angels to gather His elect" 2. Because 1 Peter 1 says to fix our hope "completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ" --- 2nd coming 3. Because the "dead in Christ rise FIRST" in 1 Thess 4 -- which means they are the "blessed and holy ones" raised up in the Rev 20:4-5 "First Resurrection" over whom the "second death has no power" 4. Because the 2nd coming is when Jesus "comes again" to receive His saints - and John 14:1-3 "I will come again and receive you to myself" is the focus of the entire Christian church - the 2nd coming.
  11. Yes he did - preach the Gospel in the OT - via the Spirit of Christ. God the Holy Spirit. 1 Peter 1 Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. Indeed we can because Christ says Abraham literally saw the future - saw Christ's day and was glad. Peter said those prophets of the OT were shown not only the sufferings of Christ on the cross for our sins but ALSO the "glories to follow" the salvation that the Gospel brings about. There is only 1 Gospel - only 1 way to be saved -- if it did not apply to Moses and Elijah before the cross - then they could not have "stood with Christ" in glorified form in Matthew 17 before the cross even happened. Thus as Hebrews 4:2 says "the Gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also" They were Christians in the sense that they saw the time of Christ - believed in it - were filled with the Spirit of Christ - had faith in his coming and they all drank from that "same spiritual rock - and that Rock was Christ". So it is in 1Thess 4 and Rev 20:3-5 that it is the saints of all ages that are raised up in the "first Resurrection" which takes place at the 1Thess 4 rapture of the saints,,, at the 2nd coming.
  12. The Bible teaches future resurrection - but not re-incarnation as we probably both agree. Job looked forward to the future 1Cor 15, and 1Thess 4 and Rev 20:4-5 resurrection at the 2nd coming of Christ - it starts the 1000 year millennium. It is the resurrection of the saints of all the ages. Who are then raptured in the 1Thess 4 rapture and taken to heaven.
  13. Genesis 26:5 says this about the Law and Abraham Genesis 26 : 5 " Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, My Commandments, my statutes, and my Laws." 1 John 3:4 says "sin IS transgression of the Law" - Genesis 4 says to Cain "SIN is crouching at your door - you must master it" So then "righteousness" that includes "right doing" means that the Law of God that defines what right-doing is... had to have existed. Thus it was always wrong for mankind to "take God's name in vain" -- that would always be a sin - even though you cannot find that commandment quoted in the book of Genesis or in all of the NT.
  14. Acts 17:11 two sides come together - study the Bible come to the same conclusion even though it goes against all their orthodoxy and tradition.
  15. This is a great post. But I would like you to consider a few interesting details about the Gospel in the OT. 1. Gal 1:6-9 -- there is only One Gospel 2. Gal 3:8 -- That Gospel was preached to Abraham 3. Hebrews 4:2 "WE have had the Gospel preached unto us - just as THEY also". 4. "They all drank from the same Spiritual Rock -... and that Rock was Christ" 1 Cor 10:4 5. john 8:56 "Abraham rejoiced to see My day - and he saw it.. and he was glad" 6. All the saints who were taken to heaven without dying - are saints in the OT. (Elijah and Enoch) 7. Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" in Matthew 17 - before the cross even happens. 8. Job 19:25 As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 9 Noah pursues "Righteousness which is by faith" Hebrews 11 All the saints held up as examples before the NT saints - are the OT saints in Hebrews 11 10. John 3 - Christ argues that any teacher in Israel - who knows the Bible - should already know about the Holy Spirit and the new birth