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Knowing the answer I would still like you to clarify for those who may not. By whom would the devil be given carte blanche to mess with us.

Derailing threads is the offense of impoliteness.

You just had someone compare your argument to homosexuals tactics. Anyone who does that can never argue from the standpoint of the word or the church. There are very ignorant people in the church . They read the Bible but they don't know a thing about the writings within the Bible. Nor the disciplines that scholars commit to in order to rightly divide the word. You're attempting to argue with worldly ideology opposed to women. We know Jesus condemned this and walked opposed to the traditions of his people when he included women as his disciples. You'll not change the mind that has turned to stone. That which condemns women condemns the same God that calls women to his service. Those women called outnumber the worldly opposed to the truth within the word that is God. And as such every single woman in service to God proves that cache of opponents of women and God false trumpeters misrepresenting the truth of Christ. And of all things, his own example. Women traveled with him. Be careful! That'll be called not true too. Maybe they were lesbians. I hear that's a tactic.

That's beneath a Christian. To imply someone is a homosexual here is against the rules I'm sure. You just lost your argument.

There is a great great video at YouTube by Ben Shapiro of Breitbart News that begins by addressing something the actor Ben Affleck said last year. Affleck claimed the terrorists acting in the name of Allah were a small number compared to the community of Muslims world wide. Ben made a fool of himself for what he didn't know but parrotted the Hollywood left line about a topic he clearly knew nothing about. Shapiro on the other hand isn't as uneducated. And his numbers are staggering. Billions of Muslims in the world, while a minority number of terrorists would rank in the millions. Anyone ever watched the male Muslims doing their ceremony around the Kabbah? Every one of those men are devoted to Islam. If Allah wills it it is to be done. Or else. DEBUNKED: "The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority" I'll see if a moderator will post this video in the proper video section. But if you want to look for it at YouTube in the meanwhile that's the title. Definitely worth your time. Not that long a video but incredibly enlightening.

You seem to do that a lot. Someone doesn't agree with the prejudice you impart in your argument and you hound them with, care to address.... No. Deal with what's written or get over it. God isn't a bigot. Acts 2:17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; Acts 21:9 He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied. God gave women in those passages his message to deliver to those meant to hear it. But he wouldn't call a woman to preach? Pastoring then was different than it is now. As most of us know. It wasn't someone standing at a podium reading from the Bible that didn't exist yet. It was the called of God walking or riding a horse or donkey and speaking in the open , because doing so in a Hebrew temple would get them killed, which happened anyway as we know to all the male apostles save one, and delivering God's word. Talking about Jesus and salvation. A woman commanded the male apostles to follow her to find the tomb where they'd laid Jesus empty. Oops, there she goes, having authority over men. Which in those days would not have happened. A woman would not have told men who were the students of a rabbi what to do and those men would have done it. Jesus lived the example and came to overturn the prejudices of his time. Part of why he called the law keepers a den of vipers. I addressed the scripture. I don't care if you can't accept what they actually say. Care to stop insisting God is a bigot?

How low can Trump MSM haters go? They attacked his hair, which was juvenile and pathetic. They attacked his 10 year old son. Even implying he's autistic, which is slander. They attacked his wife's previous life before she even met Donald. They attack his daughter. They attack his son-in-law. They attack his faith. If they'd have done this with Obama it would have been called racism. But with Trump it's just low life MSM showing its true colors. Is the marriage valid. Wait, what's next? Let me see, oh, I know, boxers or briefs or commando? That'll be next. Interviewed is the housekeeper that does the first family laundry. And she says__________________________________________. Imagine how many people will run with that pathetic story. I wonder what God thinks about all this that Christians are doing to attack what God says we should honor. Time will tell.

Revelation 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, transparent as glass.

Kathy Griffin missed the last moments she would ever have with her father who was terminal and in Hospice just so she could perform on a lesbian cruise sponsored by Rosie O'Donnell. "Her gays" as she calls the entire homosexual community, were a priority. Not the last moments of her fathers life. Nothing surprises me about a woman who makes her living spewing hate , ridicule, contempt, and sarcasm toward friends and others who should learn by now never to tell her a secret because she'll write it into her comedy bits. She is what is actually known to be a real medical phenomena. Born without a conscience. She's a fool. Left wing celebrities are losing their mind in public lately as they spew hate for our president. Madonna made a real fool of herself. Meryl Streep did to. Now this. I'd like to see Griffin jailed. If I did that same thing in front of the post office here I'd be arrested. She should be too.

Dare to read the article. Paul was talking to his churches. And if you even bothered to read the excerpted part of the article I pasted here you'd know you're wrong again. God didn't tell Paul that women are less than. And Paul doesn't speak for God in his epistles to the churches he had founded. He's speaking to manage them, as he clarifies in numerous instances in those letters. Stating quite clearly for all who care to read, not God but "I" say to you. Imagine God sending his son to save the world. And that includes men and women both. And then that same God says, but of course I'll never call a woman to deliver my words, or the good news of my son, because you know, she's a lowly woman! When he called her by name to be saved, but he wouldn't call her to be chosen to spread the good news that saved her? Nonsense. It's like a bad bumper sticker. "My God is a Gender Bigot!" Bigotry is a sin. But God sins? No. That's men that use the scriptures and twist them so as to not renounce their own gender bigotry. I have a feeling God would not be amused. Time will tell.

If your point is to impart that women are not to be equal in power to men or to be called to preach by God, or in authority at all, even in the church, you're wrong. Scripture does speak otherwise to the culture of the time. If you knew the culture of the time you'd realize you just agreed that God overthrew culture of the time and would and still does call women into his service. Men who have a problem with powerful women are the problem. They're also the ignorant who are unaware that likely the lawmakers in their state are women! And a woman recently ran for office. Had she won not a single Christian man would have a leg to stand on claiming God would never put women in power over men. It doesn't matter that you don't agree women are called by God you realize. That God knows what he's doing when he calls women is what matters. Thinking male prejudice makes God in that image and likeness is a huge transgression of God's grace and spirit. "God is a gender bigot!" Is something Satan would hope to get us to believe. Jesus proved that could never be true. If he was in line with the culture of the time he wouldn't have had Mary and other women traveling with him. That we're told there were 12 disciples that were men is an example of the culture of the time when women apostles were omitted from the writings. God is higher than the lowest thought that gives life to discrimination. Land owners in the United States once owned people as slaves. They used the argument God ordained it. That was wrong too. Peoples worth is less or greater than? And that makes it OK to discriminate against them? Hardly.

I just found your post Chee. I wonder how many went to the Hyatt book link at Amazon? The look inside feature is great.https://www.amazon.com/Paul-Women-Church-Eddie-Hyatt/dp/1888435569/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1495420871&sr=8-1&keywords=Eddie+Hyatt&linkCode=sl1&tag=httpwwweddieh-20&linkId=995db4821219594d2f12e612b4ab898d The authors, husband and wife, are all about bringing the truth of the gospels forward so as to restore to the church Biblical equality. That's a great endeavor being there today is a committment to the sin of sexual bigotry by many in the church. Don't let that be obstructed by the facts that speak otherwise. As you can see Chee. I know. Sad isn't it. People that need to see a wall around people of Christ will form any division even corrupting the words of God's Spirit in order to maintain. Do you subscribe to Charisma? This is important to share here from the article you've posted. Because I don't think anyone read it. Those opposed to Biblical equality aren't up to being proven wrong I have found in my travels. Looks to be the same here too. Sadly enough. Don't be discouraged. As long as God knows he calls women into his service who cares about anyone else thinking that's not possible? And what nerve! http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/65047-did-paul-have-a-woman-as-his-pastor What About Women Being Silent? "But," some will protest, "What about Paul's calls for female silence and submission in 1 Corinthians 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11-12? A careful examination of those passages reveal that Paul is responding to local situations in Corinth and Ephesus, and his statements were never meant to be applied across the board to all women and all churches everywhere. To make those two passages the controlling passages concerning women leads to the denial of the fact that Paul recognizes numerous women preachers and teachers who are his coworkers and fellow ministers in the gospel. These include Phoebe, Priscilla, Junia, Tryphena, Tryphosa and those women in Philippi whom he says, "labored with me in the gospel" (Phil. 4:3). Conclusion Yes, Phoebe was a respected Christian leader in the early church with qualities we would expect in a modern-day pastor. The evidence indicates that she may well have functioned in a pastoral-type ministry toward Paul at some point in his life. This article was derived from Dr. Eddie Hyatt's latest book, Paul, Women and Church, available from Amazon and his website at eddiehyatt.com. Dr. Eddie Hyatt is an author, historian and biblical scholar. His books on church history, church order and spiritual awakening are available from Amazon and his website at eddiehyatt.com. Charisma's Special Anointing Bundle. Get Charisma magazine plus these 2 Books - The Deborah Anointing & The Esther Anointing for only $24.97. Subscribe Now! Hearing God's voice changes everything. You'll gain clarity, purpose and direction for your life. Start your journey to live your Life in the Spirit. Click here to draw closer to God!

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I so love Crowder's music.

Beautiful song.

Now there's a thought. I hadn't considered that aspect. Could be. What is to be mourned if that is the case is that the innocent people of Germany who had nothing to do with government then or now are being made to suffer for their leaders betrayal of them. Then and now.

You missed my point. This thread is twelve years old. What's the motive for revival? What's being said to members here? Maybe it is because I'm new that it jumps out. Or maybe what makes it very obvious as a jumper is the date on the first post.

Amen sister! Titus 3:10-11 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. It's best to ignore such efforts while recognizing that God saw them coming first. And that is why he forewarned us in his word to look out for such duplicitous behavior. Look to the one's that are pointing out those who are judged by them to not be a Christian. Then look to see how they comport themselves while bearing the claim they are Christian. I like to see how the other half lives. Those who are atheist. There are atheist sites that have instruction threads pinned so that members can learn how to enact Poe's Law in Internet debates. Poe's Law is as follows, "an adage that states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views." That's from Wikipedia. The atheist basically assumes the guise of a Christian when they join a Christian forum. Then they first act all pious but later start to interject division among the actual members. Having gained credibility through their prior examples in posts that made it appear they were biblically informed, dedicated to Christ, and following the edicts of Christian community. Then they start to interject the division. Impersonally implying members are not in Christ. Which over time fractures what is suppose to be the sites atmosphere conducive to the scriptures that speak of oneness in the Lord. Look for the one's that start the accusatory plots. Those are the one's that are your suspect wolves. Or even Poe's Law affiliates. Because if someone has an issue and they're a real Christian they know they're suppose to take their concern to that one they have issue with in private first. They're not suppose to broadcast through implication and have it attach through inference who among the members of a Christian site are not qualified to be respected as members of Christ's body. But that tactic is exactly what is laughed about in those atheist forums that pin Poe's Law instructions to their forum page. One thing about atheists. The main topic in any forum they manage is the very thing they have faith doesn't exist. And if you want to find out who the atheist is wearing a mask behind Poe's Law watch what happens if someone argues against that statement with, atheism isn't a faith. It's a real shame to see this kind of divisiveness start up here. I just arrived and it is disconcerting in that I've watched it go on in other forums. But the moderators there shut it down quickly because of the bad image it produced for the community itself when those discussions were to appear to others seeking out community . It forewarned them that they'd just landed in an inflammatory circle of discontent. And that's anything but what Jesus had in mind. In fact, that's what he came to oppose. You all have an ignore function on this site right? I'd ignore the one's that try to judge people as unworthy of being on worthy. Because that sounds like they're trying to make people leave worthy forums. And that can kill a forum when people know they can find peace elsewhere.

Merkel should be impeached out of office and put on trial for treason! This latest is nonsense. She's the reason Germany is suffering Muhammadan gang's stalking and raping German women. She's allowed enormous numbers of "refugees" into her country. And now she's doing this dance? That's because she has armed security so that any Muhammadan gang that approaches her for wrong action is stopped! What a travesty example of a leader in Germany. Of all places!

Kim Jong-un’s terrifying new missiles are fake and were wobbling during parade, experts claim http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/kim-jonguns-terrifying-new-missiles-are-fake-and-were-wobbling-during-parade-experts-claim/news-story/002b72a9cd5d4db5bec31262cf17119b I don't think un is long for this world. He's insane and putting even his cabinet at risk threatening the world like this.

How would he even find it? And what would be the motive to start that ?

It is a sorry inexcusable fact of media reporting. I did hear about the woman that was arrested for using pepper spray to defend against a Muhammadan rapist. All that did was send the message to the Muhammadan males in the Netherlands that culture there was deferring to male authority the way it does in their homeland. Where a woman who is raped by a Muhammadan can be murdered so her family retains its honor that was lost due to her rape. While if she goes to court her testimony is worth only half of her rapists. Who being male is accorded full credit for his own. The scourge of the earth is Islam. Sick twisted evil. And their prophet set it all into motion. A pedophile, a rapist, murderer, thief, and illiterate merchant. The Qur'an wasn't written in his lifetime. He dictated it over a period of time to those who could write down his words. And it isn't an easy read either. It's jumbled and not in chronological order. No wonder most martyred fools die having never read it themselves. It was read to them by family and those who enlisted their suicide service. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old! And consummated the marriage when she was nine. The good news as far as I'm concerned is, Muhammad suffered a slow agonizing death over years. Because the woman who was his cook was his captive. He's murdered her husband and took her as slave. Muhammad wasn't all that intelligent. She poisoned him to death slowly in revenge. That's the story anyway.

I think what Davida is trying to say is it doesn't appear you know a lot about Muhammadan doctrine. Defending against a cult tradition that makes very clear how non-Muslims are to be treated, without exception under edict of Allah, is a little odd for a Christian I think.