Jump to content


Junior Member
  • Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

48 Neutral


About LonerAndy

  • Rank
    Junior Member

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. There is a difference between one who falls down, because they have a bad food, and one who falls down because they are constantly running everywhere and ignores the "don't run near the pool" sign. I assume you understand the difference. This is why police act differently if you go too fast on a 500 mile long road in the desert where there has only been one sign in the past 100 miles, verses someone speeding next to a school, where there are fifteen signs all saying slow down, some with lights flashing, signs that say crosswalk here, and so on. You get the idea. I don't know how G-d will handle that in Heaven. Don't know. But I know that he will be fair.
  2. Lucks out is an odd thing to say to someone who dies. But I suppose you could say that.
  3. Two answers... One, is anything too hard for G-d? Of course he can save even the most evil of people, if they repent. Two, being saved requires repentance. If you don't repent, then you are not saved. It would be difficult for me to image that a Christian would actually engage in Adultery. Meaning, if they are sleeping with someone who isn't their wife, and they are not repenting of it.... maybe they are not really Christians?
  4. So I was wondering if you were referring to that. There are two things that might help you out. Both are not explicitly clear in the Bible, but there is some concepts that support them. First is what we call "The age of accountability". Now understand, this is simply a phrase we use to describe something we see in the Bible. If you do a search, you are not going to find it spelled out. And the word "age" isn't a specific year, but rather some point in time, where you are understand right and wrong and are held accountable for your actions. Most all nations have this concept in law. For example, a 10-year-old who broke another child's arm, isn't going to prison likely, because they are so young, they don't understand the ramifications of their actions. Similarly, we don't send people who have mental illness, to prison, like we would a normal person. When you read 2 Sam 12:22, this is where King David is fasting, and the child dies. David then says that the Child will not return to him, but he will return to the child. Indicating that he's going be with that child in heaven. So that's one aspect. Those who do not reach age of accountability, will likely be saved because they never had a chance to make a choice either way. There is one other way, and I want to be super careful here. Understand, this is just my best understanding. I'm not G-d obviously, and I certainly didn't write this book. But there is perhaps one other way... and that I believe is when you worship G-d, without knowing exactly who you are worshipping. Now I want to be clear... this is not explicitly defined theology, and I'm not going to argue it with anyone, because I could be entirely wrong on this. In Acts 17:23, Paul is in a pagan city, and finds an alter to the "unknown god". Paul then explains who this unknown G-d is. In Romans 2:14 we believe Paul wrote this passage that says: For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. So what he is saying is that the pagan people of this world (again pagan just meaning non-christian), who do not know the law... G-d is going to judge them based on their own standards. They who do not know the law, who do by nature what the law requires, are a law to themselves. Their conflicting thoughts accuse them...... or excuse them.... on that day. That seems to indicate that it is somehow possible that in a situation where someone is full devoted to be right before G-d, that even if they never know the name Jesus, that perhaps they are saved. Again, this isn't salvation after Death, but this is being saved in your ignorance. And if I can just share a quick story... I never used to believe thus for most of my life. What made me consider it, was a story from a missions trip. So a group of people went on a missions trip to China. My understanding is that a Chinese American, who converted to Christianity, went on this missions trip. After they were going around to the the Christian churches, and doing their mission stuff, they were touring the Chinese city they were in. This Chinese American missionary saw a man sitting on a park bench. In his own words he just felt compelled to speak with the man. After sitting and talking with him, and telling him of Jesus, the Chinese man smiled and said the following as best I remember: "I've been following him for almost my whole life, and I never knew his name". That story, caused me to consider that possibly even among the people who have never heard the name Jesus, that there are still those who give their lives to G-d, and follow him as best they know how. Again, I don't know anything for sure. But I know this... G-d is fair. G-d is just. The G-d I know doesn't just toss people into hell. He saves every single person he can. Every person that is willing, will be saved. Hope that helps.
  5. No. My only point was, G-d will judge people fairly. He is a G-d of justice. But no, once you are dead, you face the judgment. When you said you felt sorry for people tossed into hell, I have a problem with that, because people choose where they go. G-d is not forcing people into hell, they are choosing to go to hell, by rejecting G-d. And I actually believe that "hell" is not a one-size thing. I think people get consequences that fit how they lived. Meaning that I think Stalin who killed 60 million people, will have a different "hell" than some guy that simply rejects G-d but otherwise, lives his life without harming others. How does that work? I don't know. But the Jesus himself, says as much in Matthew 10:15. G-d is a just, and fair, G-d. G-d is not going to give the same punishment for littering, as slaughtering 60 million people. But back to your question.... no. It is appoint to man, once to die, and then Judgment. Once you die, you face the consequences of your life. I don't see any method in the Bible anywhere, for somehow getting saved after you face judgment.
  6. Yeah. This topic is utterly clear to me. No point in praying for dead people at all. At our church, that never happens. We pray for comfort and peace for those left behind. We pray for either the swift release of those dying, or the recovery of those ill. But once the spirit is release, and we are standing before the Lord G-d of Heaven, the time is up, the clock has stopped, and now we face the Lord. Now in this life, is our chance to pray for others, and ourselves.
  7. Praying for the dead, is not in the Bible anywhere. In the story of the rich man, and Lazarus, Jesus does not suggest that any prayer would help the rich man. I believe it is pointless. You should pray for the living.
  8. They will be judged fairly according to their deeds in life. There is many places that suggest that people who reject G-d will be separated, and we call that hell, that G-d will judge everyone fairly. But you are right. This is why we are called to reach out to the lost. However, G-d is not unjust. People will be judged fairly for what they have done. I firmly believe that. The G-d I serve is not one that just tosses people into horrible punishment without cause. Everything will be dealt with fairly. He will balance the scales, and deal justice to the evil, and punishment to the wicked, and give only what is deserved. How does that work? I don't know. Find out when we get there. But I do not believe in an unjust G-d. Again, you are right. Everyone can be saved from their just punishment. Now you see why Christians like myself give money and time to reach out to lost people. This is why we try to reach as many as we can.
  9. Do you believe G-d will judge everyone fairly? I do. Everyone will be judged according to their own works.
  10. It does. It is a mystery. I think we will eventually find that Heaven is better than we could imagine here, because it says that G-d will make a new heaven and Earth, and we will have no bodies, and so I'm equally unconvinced that we won't have some desires that we do now. Possibly we will have physical bodies. Possibly we will go to amusement parks. Possibly any number of things. But we won't have the evil desires of this cursed flesh we do now. That's why death is part of this world. The old and sin cursed, has to die. Then for those born of the spirit, only the good remains.
  11. I'm not arguing either. Just reading the text. I don't see anything in there about non-believers getting a second chance to live right. Even that isn't really fair, because every single day of your life, is a chance to make yourself right with G-d. So I guess what I'm really saying is, I don't see where a person who snubs their nose at G-d's face their entire life, after 30,000 chances (365 days * 80 years), that after you die, G-d gives everyone a 30,001st chance. I think it means exactly what it says. You are appointed as a man... once to die... and then judgment. I don't see anything about spiting in G-d's face for the average 80 years you have in this world, and then after you die, you get yet another chance. I don't see that anywhere.
  12. I have no idea. The Bible isn't entirely clear on what Heaven will be like. Will we have physical needs? Will we eat? Will we have jobs? Will I want a sports car, and drive as fast as I can go on the autobahn? I'd like to say, no we won't. Assuming you mean worldly generically. In Galatians 5:17 it says: "for the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. " This somewhat implies, as the verse suggests, that we have a flesh based desire, and a spiritual based desire. The spiritual is the life given to use by G-d when we are born again. The flesh, is the evil desire of our human existence. https://www.perfectingofthesaints.com/new-man-vs-old-man In Galations 5:19 “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.” In this passage, again it connects those evil aspects of our nature, to the flesh. And all those things which are good, it connects to the spirit. When we die, our flesh dies, but our spirit lives. So should not all people end up good, because their spirit lives and their flesh dies? No, because not all people are born of the spirit. John 3:8 “…so is every one that is born of the Spirit” Implication... not everyone is born of the spirit. So again... I don't know for certain how Heaven will work... but the Bible does indicate that when we die, those who are born again will not have those evil desires anymore.
  13. Well.... what does the text say? Do you see anywhere, that suggests people are judged based on things they did long after they died? Or does it say.... it appointed to man.... once to die... then judgment? You tell me. What do you read there?
  14. Yeah, it's in the Bible, printed in black and white. Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment " Revelations has a little more in chapter 20:12 "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books." So you can see, after we die, we go to judgment. The books are opened, and the book of life is opened, and we face the consequences of our choices in this world. It's that simple. The Bible says it. If I don't believe those verses, then I would be saying the Bible lies, and if the Bible lies.... then I have no idea why any of us are here right now discussing it.
  15. "But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life." Rev 21:27 It seems clear that no sin will be in Heaven. Thus it seems impossible that someone can sin in Heaven. "And a highway shall be there, and it shall be called the Way of Holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it. It shall belong to those who walk on the way; even if they are fools, they shall not go astray. No lion shall be there, nor shall any ravenous beast come up on it; they shall not be found there, but the redeemed shall walk there." Isaiah 35:8 seems to indicate that even if you are a fool, you won't go astray. So it does seem logical that we will not have a complete free will that we do here in this life, to do evil. But again, that assumes your name is written in the lamb's book of life. Which goes back to Romans 10:9.
  • Create New...