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  1. Hi there! "I'm really concerned about this literal millennial reign teaching." Ok...let's chat about it! "There is no context of a millennial reign in the two verses containing "thousand years" in the Old Testament. Whenever that phrase is used ( OT or NT) it appears to be symbolizing God's time or the completeness of time, especially in the highly allegorical Book of Revelation." I see no good reason to suppose Dt. 7:9 is not literal. And, 1000 generations is a good 40,000 years from the time of Moses....and we are only some 3500 years into that promised 40,000 year time period..... So we've got a LONG LONG time to go! We are VERY EARLY in human history. "For what purpose is there for Christ to return to a sin cursed Earth and set up a temporary Kingdom?" We might not understand all God's reasons....and we shouldn't expect to understand them all either (Is.55:9;Rom.11:33). " Isn't now the time to get right with God?" Yes! TODAY is the day of salvation. Repent! Obey Torah! " Is not now the "day of salvation"(not "now plus a thousand years)?" TODAY is the day of salvation. That was true 2000 years ago when written...and it's still true now....thus proving that the TODAY is not a 24-hour period....thus opening the door to the possibility that TODAY will also extend LONG into the future. After all, this TODAY is a TIME PERIOD....not a 24-hour period....otherwise 2Cor.6:2 would only be true for 24 hours! "The Bible only speaks of a second coming of Christ." Well ok....I suppose it does not talk about a third coming....true. Heb 9:28? Yes, we will be perfected at that time, and no longer sin. BUT! That doesn't prove that ALL people on the planet will be in glorified sinless perfected bodies at that time. And, Jesus will rule with a strong ROD OF IRON (Ps.2:9) which would be NEEDLESSLY HARSH if everybody were sinless at that time. And, Jesus will rebuild the temple (Zec.6) with sacrifices He will restore (Mal.3:4) in that temple (Eze.40-47)...and that includes SIN OFFERINGS....thus proving that sin is not absent from earth at that time. And, Is.65:20 confirms EXTENDED lifespan....BUT STILL DEATH.....thus confirming sin is still present. And, Is.65:20 confirms that the CURSE will still be in force....thus confirming that some still sin at that time. Sure, the Messiah's objective is (among other things) to bring many sons to glory (Heb.2:10)....but that doesn't prove that sin is not on earth when the Messiah is ruling on earth. Anyway, let me know your thoughts on the Millennium if you like...thanks! blessings...
  2. "Claiming falsely that it takes both Law and Grace to Save" Did JESUS say that Torah-obedience is sufficient for eternal life? (hint: yes! Lk.10:25-28) Did JAMES say that grace extends to the humble? (hint: yes! Jas.4:6) Do HUMBLE people obey Torah? (hint: Yes! Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3) Are we saved by grace? Of course! (Eph.2:8-9) It's ALL true....it's just BIBLE. "Ignorant Legalists Do" LEGALISM is bad...we are NOT saved by law without faith. We are NOT saved by works without faith. We ARE justified by works with faith (Jas.2:24). "violates Scripture." Rather, ALL Scripture should rebuke you (2Ti.3:16)...that includes TORAH. "You can no more mix Law and Grace than you can oil and water . Christianity 101. " Hmm....now read Ex.33:13. GRACE AND LAW TOGETHER! Exodus 101. "Take a lesson ......Romans 11........" Ok! Rom.11:1 upholds GOD who requires TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc). So OBEY TORAH! Rom.11:2 upholds GOD who requires TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc). So OBEY TORAH! Rom.11:2 upholds SCRIPTURE (quoting from 1Kings)....and guess what 1 Kings requires? TORAH! (1Ki.2:3). So OBEY! Rom.11:4 upholds SCRIPTURE (quoting from 1Kings)....and guess what 1 Kings requires? TORAH! (1Ki.2:3). So OBEY! Rom.11:5 upholds God's GRACE. And we remain in God's grace by obeying Torah (Ex.33:13). Rom.11:6 confirms GRACE is our source, NOT WORKS WITHOUT GRACE. And GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34); the HUMBLE obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3). Rom.11:8 confirms it is BAD to have eyes that do not see, and ears that do not hear. God requires that such people should OBEY TORAH (Dt.29:12-15). So obey! Rom.11:19 confirms believing Gentiles are grafted into Israel; Israelites obey Torah (Mal.4:4;Jer.31:31-33). So obey! Rom.11:26-27 confirms that partakers in the New Covenant obey Torah "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27). So obey! Rom11:28 affirms Paul's GOSPEL by which you are saved IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREACHED (1Cor.15:1-2), which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). Rom.11:30 confirms believers do NOT disobey God. So obey God who commands Torah! (Dt.1:3;5:27-33) Rom.11:30,32 confirms believers receive MERCY. Those who receive MERCY are those who obey TORAH (Ex.20:6). So obey! Rom.11:33 affirms the goodness of God's JUDGMENTS which are contained in TORAH (1Ki.2:3). So obey! Rom.11:36 upholds GOD who requires TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc). So OBEY TORAH! Thanks for bringing out Romans 11. Encouraging words. "“But if it is by grace, it is not from works, or else grace is not grace. But if it is by works, it is not from grace, or else work is not work.”" Of COURSE we oppose works without grace. AGREED! Thus we are justified by works (Jas.2:24) and grace (Rom.3:24) TOGETHER. Good point. "Law cancels Grace ......Grace cancels Law.......kinda like night cancels day and day cancels night.....it is IMPOSSIBLE for BOTH to Co-Exist......" OOPS! Now read Ex. 33:13. Also Rom.3:24 + Rom.2:13. "SUBTLE attempt to ADD TO THE GOSPEL with works......" That's PAUL's idea (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). "What does Galations have to say about these types?" Gal.3:11 requires " אֱמוּנָה ", citing Hab. 2:4. What is this way of " אֱמוּנָה " required by Paul? TORAH! (see " אֱמוּנָה " in Ps.119:30,86,138 for proof. Further confirmed by Dt. 32:20). Gal. 6:10 requires we DO GOOD WORKS....and TORAH is good (Rom.7:12). So obey! Gal. 1 upholds Paul's GOSPEL which saves us IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREACHED (1Cor.15:2) which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). Thanks for bringing up Galatians! These are encouraging words. blessings...
  3. "BibleGuy, I find it difficult to read through you respond posts. You repeat things I have posted, without putting those things in the quote box. It's hard to distinguish quickly between what I said, and what you are saying in reply." Sorry.....I put it in quotes....there's probably a better way....but I'm still trying to figure it out... "And STOP saying that I'm on the side of the Antichrist! That's just mean! It's not a good way to win an argument, much less to continue polite discussion. " I'm trying to be gentle....but you and the antichrist BOTH have a sacrifice-stopping theology (Da.9:27;2Th.2:3-4). The observation is not intended to be mean...but to be a cautionary warning. Jn.8:44 is not "mean"...it's just true. The name-calling in Mt.23 is not mean....it's just true. It's not mean....just an observation..... Sure, it's also disconcerting....but hopefully that will motivate you to reconsider your viewpoint.... And of course I doubt you're really on the side of the AntiChrist....and that's the point! The fact that you ARE a true believer confirms that you should NOT be upholding theology which the antiChrist likewise upholds. Nobody said that rebukes feel good....but they ARE required (2Ti.3:16;Lk.17:3). Paul even required banishment in certain cases (2Th.3:14)...it's not mean....it's just intended to SHAME (2Th.3:14) a person so as to incur subsequent repentance as a brother. As Dobson once said: SOMETIMES LOVE MUST BE TOUGH.... " and "for Levites" (meaning they will serve like the Levites once served, as persons to serve the LORD at His Temple). " Every Torah-obedient Prophet (including Isaiah) knows that Torah-sanctioned Levitical priestly activity functions in accordance with TORAH! (otherwise Isaiah would be a false prophet, given Dt. 13:1-5). That includes animal sacrifices (just read Leviticus). "(not necessarily Aaronic priests)" Of COURSE it's Aaronic Levitical priestly activity. That's what SABBATH requires. That's what NEW MOON requires. "But I do not believe such will ever happen. " Then Moses lied (Dt.30:1-8). Malachi lied (Mal.3:4). Ezekiel lied (Eze.40-47). Isaiah deceived us (Is.66). Zechariah was just joking (Zec.6;Zec.14). Jeremiah was wrong (Jer.33). I just can't go there. But hey....we've been over this again and again....so I guess we'll just have to move on. "Just because they die at the Return, doesn't mean they cannot be resurrected" Looks like MANY are killed....not all (Is.66:16). ""The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5). " That doesn't prove every unredeemed person dies at the Lord's return. And honestly, killing millions of unredeemed people...and then resurrecting them 10 minutes later surely sounds a bit hokey! Can only imagine the looks on all their faces! blessings...
  4. " The other word tells us that something will happen. Something will come into being. " Yes! EVERYTHING in the TORAH AND PROPHETS will have happened BEFORE Torah passes away.... And MUCH in the Torah and Prophets is NOT yet fulfilled...thus NO TORAH IS TERMINATED (per Mt.5:18). "It seems obvious that some things will "pass away from the Law" WHEN "heaven and earth pass away". " Not WHEN...but AFTER.....evidently MUCH after....because even the NEW EARTH has LEVITICAL sacrifices (Is.66:21-23). "Matthew 5:19 "Whoever then annuls (removes) one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."" THAT is the risk you face, given your TERMINATION THEOLOGY regarding Levitical priesthood Torah portions. Let's stop opposing Torah portions. Agreed? "I have not taught others that any one of GOD's commands are removed." Sure you have. You teach that, in effect, any restoration of the Levitical Torah portions should NOT be obeyed.....yet Jesus will come and restore those very Levitical Torah portions (Mal.3:4)....and then what...you'll STILL oppose Jesus? I sure hope not! " GOD has instituted the Melchizedek priesthood as present reality. " GOD has instituted LEVITICAL Priesthood as ALSO extending into the New Covenant era (Ac.6:7;21:21,24;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;Heb.8:10;10:16)...after all, we are ALREADY in the New Covenant era....and these LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD prophecies are yet FUTURE (Dt.30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Zec.6;Zec.14;Is.66;Mal.3:4). " That priesthood exists now, as the only means of reconciliation (atonement) with GOD. " Levitical priesthood ALSO atones (Heb. " כָּפַר ")...and Jesus comes to RESTORE that very Levitical Priesthood (Mal.3:4) to fulfill many prophecies (e.g., Dt. 30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14). And the Levitical priesthood operates INTO the New Covenant era (Ac.6:7;21:21,24;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;etc.) "Access to a Levite priesthood has been impossible for almost 2000 years. The LORD has allowed that. " Of course. It's our punishment for our disobedience. That's WHY we are in diaspora...because we sinned. But don't worry! We will again obey 100% of ALL Torah...the SAME TORAH as was commanded in Dt.30:1-8....just as Moses prophesied (Dt.30:1-8). Moses did not lie. And that includes LEVITICAL Torah portions. "Those believers in Yeshua who are allowed to do so, will do so as a memorial to Him. They will do so because they are seeking to fulfill TORAH. I don't believe the LORD would punish them for such. " Of course! Yeshua fulfilled Torah...We SHOULD TOO (Lk.6:40;1Jn.2:6). "I also do not believe the LORD will punish those genuine believers who choose NOT to offer animal sacrifices, because of their beliefs - especially those who live far from the territory of Israel. " You are responsible for what you can do... If you CAN AND SHOULD do something, then it's SIN to not do so (Jas.4:17). But if you're still stuck in diaspora....then obviously you can't do what you can't do. "NO ONE will "survive" that day, unless removed from this planet!" Doubt it. There will still be NATIONS to serve ISRAEL....(Is.60:12)....so the nations obviously did not all die. blessings...
  5. " Christ will energize us to keep HIS "changed" TORAH. " To the contrary, the SAME TORAH (Mt.5:19) applies to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). "I did not "change" TORAH. GOD the Father did. " NOTHING in Torah passes away until ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED (Mt.5:18)....and Dt.30:1-8 is NOT yet accomplished....and Dt. 30:1-8 promises 100% restoration of ALL Torah commanded at that time....NO CHANGES. "You deny that the LORD has changed TORAH. " That's because the LORD did not change the Torah. The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33), or else Jeremiah is a false prophet (Dt.13:1-5). "The TORAH is NOT "abolished". I has been "changed" - specifically "the priesthood" - BY GOD HIMSELF. " Then YOU CLAIM that Levitical Torah is ABOLISHED (contradicting Mt.5:17). Moreover, Jesus comes to restore the SAME LEVTICAL PRIESTHOOD (Mal.3:4) to fulfill the prophets (Dt.30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14). NO CHANGE. SAME TORAH. Levitical sacrifices CONTINUE into the New-Covenant era (Ac.6:7;21:20,24;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;1Jn.5:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:19+Mt.28:19-20). Jesus comes to RESTORE Levitical sacrifices (Mal.3:4). YOU (and the antiChrist, Da.9:27;2Th.2:3-4) desire to STOP Levitical sacrifices. Let's make sure we're working for the right team. "There is STILL a priesthood - the Melchizedek priesthood of "the firstborn" - which was the original priesthood." There is STILL a LEVITICAL Priesthood (Mt.5:19+Mt.28:19-20;Ac.6:7;21:20,24;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;1Jn.5:3;2Ti.3:16;Dt.30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1). " The Levite priesthood is NOT THE ORIGINAL PRIESTHOOD." They BOTH coexist. Jesus was a MELCHIZEDEK priest at the SAME TIME the Levitical Priesthood was also functioning. "The Levite priesthood WAS a change. " The Levite priesthood was an ADDITION. "The words "the Levites instead of the firstborn" are repeated several times (Numbers 3:12, 41, 45; Num 8:16, 18). " AND, the "firstborn", in those passages, does NOT refer to MELCHIZEDEK Priesthood. That's just your unjustified eisegesis. I've already told you this. And you've STILL not provided evidence that "firstborn", in those passages, must refer to MELCHIZEDEK Priesthood. So, your position REMAINS unsubstantiated. "The LORD Himself commanded that "change" after the Golden Calf rebellion. " NOT A CHANGE. The Hebrew term " תַּחַת " is simply a substitution of LEVITES for all firstborn ISRAELITES....NOT a CHANGE from MELCHIZDEK Priesthood selection methodology to LEVITICAL priesthood selection methodology. That's just your eisegesis at work again. "So don't tell me that God never changes anything. " Relax! God WILL allow the Levitical Priesthood to pass away....AFTER ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED (Mt.5:18)....AND ALL IS NOT ACCOMPLISHED! (e.g., Dt.30:1-8;Mal.3:4;Eze.40-47;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14;Jer.33). Thus, the Levitical Priesthood is NOT TERMINATED OR CHANGED. Eze. 40-47 is yet FUTURE...and that's an animal-sacrifice-laden LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD. You've never proven that Eze.40-47 already happened....because it HAS NOT HAPPENED YET! "The "change" (back to the firstborn) after Christ's death and ascension, was to bring things BACK to His original order. " Again, more eisegesis....and disconfirmed by the ONGOING Levitical Priesthood activity affirmed as LEGITIMATE in Ac. 6:7;21:21,24 and the ongoing Levitical sacrifices prophesied in Dt.30:1-8 and Mal.3:4 and Eze.40-47 and Is.66 and Zec.6 and Zec.14 and Jer.33. "The Levite priesthood was a detour from that plan. " The detour CONTINUES! Mt.5:19+Mt.28:19-20;Ac.6:7;21:20,24;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1;1Jn.5:3;2Ti.3:16;Dt.30:1-8;Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14;Col.2:17;Heb.10:1 "When I recognize and honor the priesthood of the Firstborn, "instead of" the Levite priesthood, I am keeping TORAH. " When you SUBTRACT from the Levitical Torah that is NOT TERMINATED, you are NOT KEEPING TORAH (Dt.4:2;12:32). Jesus Christ RESTORES Levitical sacrifices (Mal.3:4). Anti-christ STOPS Levitical sacrifices (Da.9:27;2Th.2:3-4). Choose for yourselves this day whose theology you uphold! As for me and my house...we will serve the LORD..... And those who SERVE are those who obey ALL TORAH (Jos.22:5).... blessings...
  6. Liking how you laid it out.... Would add, though, that the thousand-year Millennial reign of Christ should be accepted as literal, absent a good reason to not do so. And, I don't see a good reason to not do so. Other than that....looks like we're pretty much on the same page on these things... blessings...
  7. "ACTUALLY, thats not true. Paul never preached....."believe on the Lord Jesus, and keep the Torah to be saved". " Of COURSE Paul preached that! 1Cor. 15:2 says we are saved IF WE HOLD FAST THE WORD HE PREACHES. And Paul preached FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). "You don't even seem to realize that you are the very one who is preaching "another Gospel", as your message that you just quoted, is blending faith with "keeping". that is Grace + Works." The BIBLE requires FAITH (Rom.5:1) + WORKS (Jas.2:24) for justification. "See that ? >>>"Keeping"<<<<......that is "works", and when you combine works + faith, you have now preached "another Gospel"." OOPS! Paul requires that you KEEP GOD's COMMANDS (1Cor.7:19)....which are, of course, contained in the written Torah of Moses (1Ki.2:3). "Don't do that." DO RIGHTEOUSNESS! (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will not inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20). That's TORAH-OBEDIENT righteousness required by Jesus in Mt.5:20. "That's Galatians 1:8." Yes, a false gospel of LAW WITHOUT FAITH is very bad. DON'T believe that. Instead, believe Paul's gospel of LAW (2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19) and FAITH (Rom.5:1;Gal.3:11) TOGETHER. "The "gospel", is that Christ came, died, rose again, and God offers this redeeming SACRIFICIAL LIFE OF CHRIST, this "salvation"= that Christ ALONE gained on the CROSS, as a FREE GIFT of Salvation, to any and all who "BELIEVE"." Sounds good! But don't forget! That same Jesus ALSO requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) to disciple ALL NATIONS (Mt.28:19-20). "That is not "works"." Of course we are not justified by works alone. But we ARE justified by works with faith (Jas.2:24). "That is not "keeping the Torah" or the Commandments, which is the SAME, as "Keeping the Torah"." Paul REQUIRES that you keep the Torah Commandments (1Cor.7:10). John agrees (1Jn.5:3). Jesus agrees (Jn.14:15+Mt.5:19). "That is God, as Christ, dying for the sin of the world, in our place, so that our SIN, can be forgiven. JOHN 3:16" Awesome! And if your SINS are forgiven, shall we continue to SIN by DISOBEYING TORAH? Of course not! (1Cor.15:34) So STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34). OBEY in faith! "Thats THE GOSPEL. That is the "preaching of the Cross". That is ALL that Paul PREACHED." NOPE! Paul says we are saved IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD HE PREACHES (1Cor.15:2)....which includes TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). That's FAITH + LAW TOGETHER> Jesus agrees...FAITH IS OF TORAH (Mt.23:23). "You are not preaching it. You are preaching "another Gospel"." Rather, you don't understand the Gospel. Go ahead....look up the Biblical passages I've set before you. blessings...
  8. " the Lord stepped in and busted that relationship to pieces ultimately severing Moses from Christ. Law from Grace. And so the story goes." Nonsense. Christ requires TORAH (Mt.5:19) for ALL DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS (Mt.28:19-20). GRACE and TORAH go TOGETHER (Ex.33:13). GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Pr.3:34;Jas.4:6). HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3). PAUL requires TORAH (2Ti.3:16). JOHN requires TORAH (1Jn.2:3;5:3). STEPHEN requires TORAH (Ac.6:10-15). Let's get back to the Bible..... "promise that represents life." And Jesus expects us to have LIFE (Mt.4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH) because we OBEY TORAH (citing Dt. 8:3 at Mt.4:4). We have the Spirit of LIFE who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27). "A free gift of Grace through faith." And GRACE is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34). HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3). FAITH is of TORAH (Mt.23:23). So OBEY! Jesus was not joking. " Of all of the heresies, the most insidious are those that try to put mans efforts at the fore. " True! We do NOT earn salvation by faithless works. The blood alone takes away our sins (1Jn.1:7). Shall we thus sin by disobeying God's laws? OF COURSE NOT! (1Cor.15:34). So OBEY...just as Jesus requires (Mt.5:19). Or DISOBEY and be at risk of the following: Mt.5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42. YOU choose. blessings...
  9. " What you fail to realize is that in chapter 3 he concludes that justification by the law is futile. " What YOU fail to realize is that in chapter 3 he concludes that justification by the law is futile IF WITHOUT FAITH! That's why Paul contrasts: 1. FAITH in Jesus (Rom.3:22) Who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19), with 2. WORKS OF THE LAW (Rom.3:20) which are WITHOUT faith (as inferred from the contrast in Rom.3:22). That's why Paul requires BOTH! LAW (2Ti.3:16) and FAITH (Gal.3:11) TOGETHER. Again, Paul says that TORAH-OBEDIENCE is the very word of faith he preaches (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). "Rom 3:20-24 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law;" Of COURSE observing law without faith in Christ is useless.... That's why Jesus requires LAW (Mt.5:19) AND FAITH (Mt.23:23) TOGETHER. Not law alone! (Gal.5:4-5). Not faith alone! (Jas.2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. "rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." Of COURSE it's true that LAW WITHOUT FAITH does nothing but bring awareness of sin. That's why we need LAW (Mt.5:19) AND FAITH (Mt.23:23) TOGETHER. Jesus was not joking. "But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. " Of COURSE we are not righteous by law without faith. We are righteous by faith and law TOGETHER. FAITH (Dt.18:15;32:20) and LAW (Dt.31:12) TOGETHER for righteousness (Dt.6:25). After all, Jesus APPLIES Dt. 6 to you (Mt.22:37), which proves we love God and exhibit RIGHTEOUSNESS in obedience to ALL Torah (Dt. 6:5,25).....Jesus was not joking. Paul AGREES that TORAH must teach and rebuke and correct and train us in RIGHTEOUSNESS (2Ti.3:16).... John AGREES that RIGHTEOUSNESS is something we DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else we are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20). And Paul CONFIRMS that the RIGHTEOUSNESS about he speaks is a righteousness "TO WHICH THE TORAH AND PROPHETS TESTIFY"! And what does TORAH say about Paul's righteousness? That we obey ALL TORAH (Dt.6:25) in righteousness.....NOT FAITH WITHOUT TORAH. The Prophets AGREE that we obey TORAH, even in the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33) which Paul also affirms (1Cor.11). After all, the PROPHETS testify that even in the NEW Covenant, we obey Torah "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27). This again proves Paul's viewpoint is LAW + FAITH TOGETHER. NOT law alone (Gal.5:4-5). NOT faith alone (says James 2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Paul here upholds GOD who requires TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc). So OBEY! Paul here upholds FAITH (which is of TORAH, Mt.23:23;Ps.119:30,86,138). So OBEY! Paul here upholds JESUS who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19) for ALL Disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). So OBEY! That's what disciples DO! Paul here upholds BELIEVING....and even Abraham (who BELIEVED) also OBEYED TORAHS (Ge.26:5). So be like Abraham and OBEY IN FAITH! "There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." We have all sinned. We ALL must have our sins taken away by faith in the blood of Christ (Rom.5:9;1Jn.1:7). And GRACE is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34). And HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3). Paul here upholds GOD who requires TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33;etc). So OBEY! Paul here upholds JESUS who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19) for ALL Disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). So OBEY! That's what disciples DO! "You have just proven that you are a Judaizer preaching justification by the law, which is the very thing that Paul so vehemently opposed. " You don't even understand my position. I OPPOSE Judaizing. Remember Peter's hypocrisy? Try again! Paul requires LAW+FAITH. Paul OPPOSES LAW WITHOUT FAITH. LAW+FAITH is NOT what a "Judaizer" does. LAW+FAITH is what Paul PREACHES! (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). LAW+FAITH is what JESUS COMMANDS! (Mt.23:23) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). STOP twisting Paul's words.....thanks. "And, "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."" Gal 3:10,11 " Of COURSE we are not justified by law without faith! AGREED! And Paul REQUIRES " אֱמוּנָה " (citing Hab.2:4 at Gal.3:11). AND! What is this way of " אֱמוּנָה " required by Paul? ANSWER: TORAH! (see " אֱמוּנָה " in Ps.119:30,86,138 for proof). This again confirms that Paul requires LAW+FAITH TOGETHER. NOT law alone (Gal.3:10-11;5:4-5). NOT faith alone (says James 2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. Jesus agrees: FAITH IS OF TORAH! (Mt.23:23). Jesus was not joking. "Yet you judge others regarding the Sabbath. " JESUS requires Sabbath for all disciples (Mt.5:19 + Mt.28:19-20).....it's HIS requirement, not mine. PAUL requires all Torah (2Ti.3:16). JOHN requires all Torah (1Jn.2:3;5:3). STEPHEN requires all Torah (Ac.6:10-15). The APOSTLES, in general, teach Torah (Mt.23:34). So OF COURSE we use all Torah to correct others....that's what Paul REQUIRES (2Ti.3:16). "Concerning the Law, "The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24,25" Of COURSE we are no longer under the TUTOR-function of Torah...because we in Christ have already come to Christ! Is that the ONLY function of Torah? OF COURSE NOT! Torah is good (Rom.7:12). BE GOOD (Gal.6:10) thus entails OBEYING TORAH. So obey! Torah is holy (Rom.7:12). BE HOLY (1Pe.1:16) thus entails OBEYING TORAH (in fact, Peter applies Lev. 11 to you explicitly, 1Pe.1:16). So obey! STOP eating pork! Torah is righteous (Rom.7:12). DO RIGHTEOUSNESS (1Jn.2:29;3:7) means OBEY TORAH! Otherwise you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who does NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20). Torah is spiritual (Rom.7:14). Seek and pursue the SPIRITUAL (1Cor.14:1) thus entails OBEYING TORAH. SO obey! Torah defines SIN (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4). STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus entails OBEYING TORAH. So obey! STOP sinning! Torah is FOUNDATIONAL to the New Covenant (Jer.31:33). So OBEY the Torah of the New Covenant which Jesus inaugurated for you in His very blood (Lk.22:20). Torah is GOOD fruit (Rom.7:12;Ps.119:39). So bear the fruit of GOODNESS in the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). OBEY Torah! Torah is PEACEFUL fruit (Ps.119:165). So bear the fruit of PEACE in the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). OBEY Torah! Torah is LOVING fruit (1Jn.5:3;Jn14:15+Mt.5:19;Dt.6:5,25). So bear the fruit of LOVE in the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). OBEY Torah! Torah is JOYOUS fruit (Ps.119:162). So bear the fruit of JOY in the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). OBEY Torah! Torah is FAITHFUL fruit (Mt.23:23;Hab.2:4+Ps.119:30,86,138;Dt.18:15;32:20). So bear the fruit of FAITHFULNESS in the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23). OBEY Torah! Torah is an ONGOING SHADOW (PRESENT TENSE in Col.2:17 and Heb.10:1 with respect to the ONGOING shadow-function of Torah). Torah is personified and embodied in Christ Himself (Jn.1:14;Col.2:17), NOT terminated or canceled. Torah is the substance of proper DISCIPLESHIP of all nations (alluding, for example, Mt. 5:19 in Mt.28:19-20). So let's stop neglecting the ONGOING TORAH FUNCTIONS, according to Scripture. "Of Christians he writes, "you are not under law but under grace." Rom 6:14" Of COURSE we are not UNDER LAW. UNDER LAW (in Romans) means UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH...and we are NOT UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH (Rom.8:2). Rather, we are under the law of OBEDIENCE (Mt.5:19;1Jn.5:3;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19) and LIFE (Mt.4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47). So OBEY! Why would you continue to sin? That makes no sense. Paul told us to NOT SIN (Rom.6:15) meaning OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7). AND! Grace is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34). HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Zep.2:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9). So receive grace and OBEY! "In Gal 5:1 he says, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."" Agreed! It's BONDAGE to seek justification by LAW WITHOUT FAITH (Gal.5:4-5). So do BOTH! LAW (2Ti3:16) and FAITH (Gal.3:11) TOGETHER! LAW and FAITH together (Mt.23:23). It's a LAW OF FAITH (Rom.3:27), not faithless works. It's FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). It's FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE (Rom.1:5). It's FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE (Rom.16:26). Obedience to what? TORAH! (ALL Scripture, 2Ti.3:16). "Ga 5:3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law." Of COURSE adult-male-Gentile-converts need not become circumcised. Torah does not even require it! The ongoing mark is for INFANTS (Lev.12:3)....not adult-male-Gentile-converts. That's why Torah-obedient Paul requires ALL Torah, but not adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (1Cor.7:19)....because Torah does not even require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. Jesus was NOT joking (Mt.5:19). ALL TORAH! "Yet you insist that Christians must keep the whole law. You are the very kind of person that Paul is arguing against in Galatians." Actually, that was JESUS (Mt.5:19). 1. Paul opposes LAW WITHOUT FAITH (Gal.5:4-5). 2. Paul REQUIRES Law (2Ti.3:16) + FAITH (Gal.3:11). STOP confusing these two distinct issues. They are NOT the same. And look at Jesus' SCARY warnings against those who oppose Torah! (Mt.5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42). Why would you want those terrible consequences? So OBEY! blessings...
  10. Interesting connection.....wondering about the timing.....thinking that the full return (Dt.30:1-8) might not occur until after the Messiah returns (Mt.24:31)....or maybe it's partially before He returns (when the SIGN appears), and then it's finished after He returns....
  11. " The state of Israel may re-institute sacrifices at a rebuilt Temple, but how can the LORD accept the sacrifices of a people who have rejected His own Son. " We had the same problem 2000 years ago. The sacrificial system (and the religious system, in general) was infected with corrupted religious leaders (e.g, Mt.3:7;Mk.7;Mt.23). Yet Yeshua STILL commanded participation in the sacrifices (Mt.5:24;Mk.11:17 citing Is.56:7;Mt.5:19). Yeshua STILL commanded obedience to all Torah (Mt.23:23), thus including sacrifices. Yeshua STILL commanded obedience to proper Torah judgments, EVEN THOUGH they were issued by corrupted judges (Mt.23:3). So, this confirms that we don't just sit around and wait until the Levitical system is completely and properly restored by the Messiah when He returns (Mal.3:4). Rather, it confirms that even BEFORE He returns, it is good and proper to pursue the proper functioning of the Levitical system, even partaking in it, given that Yeshua desires participation in that system even when it is not perfected. And sure enough, we see THOUSANDS of 1st-century Christians zealous for participation in the Levitical/ceremonial/sacrificial system (Ac.21:20). We even see animal-sacrificing Christian priests (Ac.6:7). We even see PAUL condoning an animal-sacrifice-laden vow to confirm he "walks orderly, keeping the law" (Ac.21:24), implying he properly obeys sacrificial Torah portions. AND! Paul requires that we imitate this sacrifice-compliant Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9). After all, Paul never said that shadow is terminated. Paul tells us the shadow CONTINUES! (PRESENT tense, Col.2:17). The writer of Hebrews agrees (PRESENT TENSE, Heb.10:1). " Even today, before one can become "Jewish" or a citizen of that state, one must renounce Jesus specifically and by name as Messiah, and/or God's "only begotten son". " And if the ultra-Orthodox in Israel get their way, then they will continued to exempt themselves from obligation for IDF service... And they will EXPAND the extent of the enforcement of their religious perspective nationally, thus reducing IDF service requirements, thus placing Israel at greater threat from enemies, at which point Israel may find itself desperate to welcome Jewish-Messianic mixed families (or even purely Messianic mixed families) to make aliyah on the condition they serve in the IDF to protect Israel....the point being that Israel could always CHANGE their laws if they get desperate.....and, given Dt. 30:1-8, we KNOW that the laws will eventually change....we WILL eventually return....but the fact that it's almost impossible for us to all return right now simply confirms that we are not very close to the fulfillment of Dt. 30:1-8 and Jer.16:15-16....personally, I think it could be several centuries.....easily. "Isaiah 29:13 Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote, (NAS)" Yes...we want a proper heart-condition in the Lord's sight. blessings...
  12. "First I would point out that DNA Hebrews who do not believe in Yeshua as God's Son and Messiah, are NOT ATTACHED to the "Olive Tree". They are broken off branches. 90% of the population of Jews in the current state of Israel are secular. They might keep the Feasts, but only because they are traditional. " Yes....and I doubt we have good proof that they are really "DNA HEBREWS" anyway.....not that it matters....because Israel was NEVER uniquely limited to DNA.....but it has been Gentile inclusive since AT LEAST Sinai (e.g., Dt. 29;Dt. 31). "I believe Satan will use the modern state of Israel to "fulfill" the ancient prophecies. All the "nations" around her will come up to attack, and then "the Lord" will powerfully defend her, causing fire "from heaven" to destroy her enemies, and almost the entire Middle East. Then a new Temple will be restored, and sacrifices restored. Then a magnificent being will appear in that Temple, claiming to be Messiah (for the Jews), Christ returned (for the Christians), and the expected "messiah" figure for every religion. And while he's at it, a returned alien for all the atheists and naturalists. " Entirely plausible....we'll have to wait and see... "Everyone on this planet will serve him EXCEPT those with the seal of God. They will know who he really is. " And our knowledge of TORAH may be KEY to identifying this COUNTERFEIT MESSIAH...after all, the "man of sin" is ANTI-TORAH.....so OPPOSITION to sacrifices will prove that the anti-Christ is EVIL. Anti-christ OPPOSES Torah sacrifices (Da.9:27). Jesus Christ RESTORES sacrifices (Mal.3:4). BIG difference! "Everyone on this planet will serve him EXCEPT those with the seal of God. They will know who he really is. " I once heard of a passage in the Prophets which suggests that antichrist does NOT gain complete world control...but that there are some isolated hold-outs....I don't recall the passage though....I think it might have been in reference to somewhere in the vicinity of Jordan.....perhaps this is confirmed in Rev.12..... "PS: I've no problem with Jews having a homeland, after 2000 years of persecution. No problem at all. " And it's your homeland too! (Gal.3:29;Mt.5:5;Dt.30:1-8;Eze.36:24;37:12)....After all, YOU are Israelite! (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8;Hos.1+Rom.11:26-27;Eph.2:12). blessings...
  13. Yes! And the inheritance includes the LAND-INHERITANCE (Gal.3:29;Mt.5:5).....and when we inherit the land promised to US ALL as believers, WE will again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8). Exciting things to anticipate for our future! blessings...
  14. " You're saying that Gentiles are required to keep the Passover. And that they fulfill the circumcision requirement because they were circumcised as infants. Gee, see any flaw in that logic? " I never said adult-male-Gentile converts were circumcised as infants. Gentile converts should circumcise their sons on the eight day, though, to the extent possible in this present diaspora.....after all, Lev.12:3 is not terminated. So, you don't understand my position. Try again. "seeing as you think the Law of Moses can be tinkered with and still be regarded as the Law of Moses" No tinkering. Just FACTS. Foreigners are EXCLUDED in Ex.12, but INCLUDED in Is.56. That's not tinkering. "according to Paul Sabbath keeping is no longer a requirement" Wrong. Paul condoned a vow to prove he walks "orderly according to the law" (Ac.21). YOU should imitate that Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9). Paul requires all Torah (2Ti.3:16). Paul requires all Torah (1Cor.7:19). STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) means OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7). Paul says we are justified by Torah (Rom.2:13). Paul NEVER opposed Sabbath. ""One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." Sure! Some people think Sabbath is more than sacred than other days.... Other people think Sabbath is equally sacred as other days... Either way, Sabbath is not abolished! After all, Paul (IN THE SAME PASSAGE) upholds FAITH (Rom.14:23), and FAITH (for Paul) is TORAH-OBEDIENT faith (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8). Again, Paul just told us that he STILL SERVES TORAH (Rom.7:25)...so Paul is not opposing Torah in Rom.14. Again, Paul just told us that the Spirit opposes Torah-disobedience (Rom.8:7+Rom.8:13), so Paul is not opposing Torah in Rom.14. Again, Paul just told us that the New Covenant includes Torah being obeyed "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27); so Paul is not opposing Torah in Rom.14. Again, Paul told us to NOT SIN (Rom.6:15), meaning OBEY TORAH (given Rom.3:20;7:7). " "Let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Col 2:16,17" Exactly! Do NOT judge my observance of Sabbath (in accordance with Jesus' command, Mt.5:19). AND, the sabbath is an ONGOING SHADOW (PRESENT tense in Col.2:17, also in Heb.10:1). The shadow CONTINUES. And, Col. 2:16-17 upholds CHRIST who requires all TORAH (Mt.5:19), thus including Sabbath. Agreed! "Furthermore it appears that you're saying that a Gentile must become a Jew to be a Christian." Paul already told us that believing Gentiles ARE ISRAELITES (citing Hos.1 a Rom.11:26-27). Believing Gentiles are NOT EXCLUDED from Israel (Eph.2:12); and Israelites obey TORAH (Mal.4:4;Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Believing Gentiles are not excluded from the covenants (Eph.2:12) which are given as TORAH (e.g., Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10). Paul says the Gentile-inclusive Roman congregation partakes in the New Covenant (1Cor.11) which is between God and ISRAEL; thus Paul identifies believing Gentiles as fellow ISRAELITES; and Israelites obey TORAH (Mal.4:4;Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10). So, believing Gentiles do not need to become "JEWS"...because they are already accepted as FELLOW ISRAELITE HEIRS (Eph.3:16), who jointly share in the land-inheritance (Gal.3:29) promised to us as Israelites. And we will again obey 100% of ALL Torah when we inherit the land (Dt.30:1-8). Moses did not lie. blessings...
  15. Yes.....that's another side of the coin.... But that doesn't exclude us from the obligation to CHOOSE to partake in actions which result in faith. We also CHOOSE (Dt.30:15-19;Jos.24:15)....otherwise Mk.11:22 is an impossible command....Jesus doesn't command someone to do something they can't do. So you're right...there's also the gift of faith as well. Two sides of a coin.... blessings...
  16. Yes, and judgment begins in the church (1Pe.4:17)....let's watch and see how judgment is brought against the "Christian" denominations as they stand in opposition to Torah. But I prefer repentance and mercy rather than judgment!
  17. " Galatians 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.” " Of course. Adult-male-Gentile-converts need not be circumcised....because Torah does not even require it....so simply focus on FAITH (which is of TORAH, Mt.23:23) and LOVE (which entails TORAH, 1Jn.5:3;Dt.6:5,25). Galatians 6:15 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.” Of course. Adult-male-Gentile-converts need not be circumcised....because Torah does not even require it....so simply focus on the NEW CREATION...and we are a new creation in CHRIST (2Cor.5:17) who requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20). " Romans 2:26-29 “Therefore, if an uncircumcised man [a Gentile convert to the gospel] keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?” How could one keep the requirements of the TORAH, WITHOUT being circumcised?" Paul just PROVED that uncircumcised Gentile converts CAN KEEP THE TORAH! That's what Rom.2:26-29 proves! After all, The Torah of Moses does not even require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. Rather, the ongoing mark of circumcision is for INFANTS (Lev.12:3). " Colossians 2:11 “In Him [in Christ] you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.”" Of course! Circumcision of the HEART! That's NOT a new concept! (Dt.10:16;30:6). And those with circumcised hearts obey TORAH (Dt.30:6-8). Thus, Col. 2:11 again confirms that physically-uncircumcised adult-male-Gentile-converts CAN BE CIRCUMCISED IN HEART and thus they CAN OBEY ALL TORAH (despite their physical uncircumcision)....how so? Because Torah does not even require that adult-male-Gentile-converts be circumcised. And again, Col. 2:11 opposes the FLESH...and the flesh disobeys Torah....so the circumcision of Christ is a TORAH-OBEDIENT circumcision. And again, Col. 2:11 opposes SIN...and sin is opposed to TORAH (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4)....so the circumcision of Christ is a TORAH-OBEDIENT circumcision. And again, Col. 2:11 upholds CHRIST who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19)....so the circumcision of Christ is a TORAH-OBEDIENT circumcision. Again, how so? Because Torah does not even require that adult-male-Gentile-converts be circumcised. "If a man has "the circumcision of Christ", what need is there to seek physical circumcision by man? " Of course no need, in general.....although you might want to consider it for the sake of others' misconceptions (e.g., Ac.16:3) so as to be expedient in evangelism. "Philippians 3:2-3 “Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,”" Agreed! We don't earn our position in Christ by a faithless act of physical circumcision..... Very true. Rather, we worship GOD (who requires all TORAH, Dt. 1:3;5:27-33;etc.) We worship in the SPIRIT (who testifies we obey TORAH, Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Rom.8:7+Rom.8:13;Is59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27). We rejoice in CHRIST (who require all Torah, Mt.5:19 for ALL disciples of ALL nations, Mt.28:19-20). AND, the ongoing mark of circumcision in Torah is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3), not adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. blessings...
  18. "But there has been "a change of the law" under the New Covenant, specifically a change that involves "the priesthood" (Hebrews 7:12). " It's not a change....it's a Melchizedek Priest (Jesus) PASSING OVER (not CHANGING) from the Levitical Priesthood rules to the Melchizedek Priesthood rules, because Jesus is not a Levite! Jesus comes to RESTORE those very Levitical priestly sacrifices (Mal.3:4). The prophets agree that the SAME LEVITES shall return to sacrifice (Eze.40-47;Jer.33;Is.66;Zec.6;Zec.14). Moses did NOT lie (Dt.30:1-8). ALL Torah shall return. Thus the priesthood has NOT been changed! "Paul did NOT tell his Gentile converts to be circumcised, so that they could eat sacrificed roast lamb in remembrance of Christ's death. " That's because Torah does not require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. The ongoing mark is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3)....NOT adult circumcision of Gentile converts. That's why Paul requires ALL TORAH (1Cor.7:19), EXCLUDING adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (1Cor.7:19)...because Torah does not even require it. "The Apostle Paul very clearly said that believers should NOT be circumcised to enter in to covenant with God through Christ. " Of course. Torah does not even require such circumcision. "If one is already "justified" at baptism, why go to seek it from a Levite priest at the Jerusalem Temple, where an uncircumcised man could not enter anyway? " Nobody needs to seek justification from a Levite priest. " Why seek it from a priesthood that has been "changed"? You've not proven this. You've not answered by Biblical objections to it. "If "keeping the commandments of God" (under the New Covenant) has to include circumcision, then Paul was double-speaking. You can't have it both ways. " NOPE. The ongoing mark of circumcision in the Torah of Moses does NOT require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. It's for INFANTS (Lev.12:3). "Circumcision is either "nothing" or it's something that "matters". " It matters for INFANTS (Lev.12:3), not adult-male-Gentile-converts (1Cor.7:19). "When Paul wrote "keeping the commandments of God is what matters", I believe he was simply referring to The Ten Commandments - written by God Himself. He did say "commandments" - plural. " And the 1st of the 10 requires obedience to all the rest of the Torah of Moses! Otherwise YHVH is NOT your God.... blessings...
  19. You might want to actually compare Ex. 12:43 with Is.56:3-7....thus proving that the instructions in Ex.12 are CONTEXT-SPECIFIC and they are NOT all applicable to all subsequent Pesach celebrations. That's why Paul can COMMAND Pesach (1Cor.5:7-8) while NOT requiring that those Corinthians be circumcised (1Cor.7:19)....because the ONGOING mark of circumcision is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3)....NOT adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.
  20. Yes indeed. X22 report argues that Trump is preparing to go after the Federal Reserve....and go after central banking in general, globally....hence the China tariffs and the USMCA shall be used as an anti-central-banking tool.
  21. Intriguing.... Any connection between HAARP and the mysterious dead birds?
  22. True....but satan desires destruction of the Jews.....anti-semitism is satanic......and the many wars waged against modern Israel were satanic.....so satan does NOT want the restoration of all things (Ac.3:21)....and the 1948 restoration is arguably a step in the direction of that restoration....and miracles CAN be proof that God is supporting something (Ex.3:20;Gal.3:5;Mt.11:21;Ac.2:22;Ac.19:11;Jn.14:11).....and I'd say God is behind the restoration of modern Israel, given the improbability that satan would desire: 1. Restoration/Enhancement of knowledge and awareness and study of Biblical Hebrew 2. Restoration/Enhancement of knowledge and awareness and study of the Tanach. 3. Preparation for rebuilding the temple (with sacrifices, which satan wants to STOP....Da.9:27) 4. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in answering prayers of Torah-obedient people (1Ki.8:29) 5. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in forgiving individual sins of Torah-obedient people (1Ki.8:30) 6. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing justice (1Ki.8:31-32) 7. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing corporate forgiveness (1Ki.8:34) 8. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing the RETURN of Israelites to the LAND (implying return of full Torah-obedience), 1Ki.8:34. 9. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing the GOOD WAY (Torah) to Israel (1Ki.8:36). 10. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in keeping crops properly irrigated (1Ki.8:36). 11. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in keeping the promised land as an INHERITANCE (1Ki.8:36). 12. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing elimination of famine (1Ki.8:37). 13. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing elimination of pestilence (1Ki.8:37). 14. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing elimination of plague (1Ki.8:37). 15. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing elimination of SICKNESS (1Ki.8:37). 16. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing proper fear of God (thus Torah-obedience) in the promised land as an inheritance (1Ki.8:40). 17. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in providing visible proof of God's glory (1Ki.8:11). 18. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing EVANGELISM OF THE ENTIRE PLANET (1Ki.8:41-43,60). 19. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing support for Israel in war (1Ki.8:44-45). 20. Preparation for rebuilding the temple which plays a SIGNIFICANT ROLE in bringing THE FULFILLMENT OF DT.30:1-8 (1Ki.8:46-51). You think satan WANTS any of this? OF COURSE NOT!! Temples have SACRIFICES (1Ki.8:63)....the enemy wants it to STOP (Da.9:27) so as to PREVENT the above 20 objectives. So OF COURSE the enemy has now placed a counterfeit mosque upon the very Temple Mount. That's what the enemy does......he tries to STOP and BLOCK God's objectives..... The enemy planted nephilim in the promised land to hinder the Israelites in Moses' time.... And the enemy planted a mosque in an effort to hinder any possibility of a temple which could result in the above 20 objectives. And the enemy has planted corrupted religious and political and governmental Jewish leaders in that very land now. And the enemy has even tainted the eyes of those "Messianic" Jews evangelizing in Israel (e.g., "One For Israel") But don't worry....God WILL prevail! But surely not without a fight of historic proportions.... CONCLUSION: I'd say God is up to something in modern-day Israel.....Joseph Good (a full-on Messianic believer) is even routinely consulted by Chaim Richman regarding Temple preparation details....because Joseph Good is so knowledgeable. And Gush HaTanakhi is now formed in the Knesset! https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/108290/for-the-first-time-ever-a-jewish-christian-party-to-run-for-knesset/ Avi is a cool guy....his party may play a significant role in the future....because if (when!) persecution of Israelites, globally, becomes so bad that the only safe place for us will be in Israel, then guess which party we will vote for? Gush HaTanakhi! And this could hurl modern Israel into a correct spiritual direction....surely something satan does not want.....thus again confirming that God is working in modern-day Israel, despite its many evils. blessings...
  23. Howdy! " I can't "be perfect" anymore than I can walk on water. " Sure you can. Mt.5:48 simply quotes Dt.18:13....you CAN be " תָּמִים ".....Jesus was not joking....it's easy (Mt.5:48)..... Moses AGREES it is not too difficult (Dt.30:11). Luke AGREES you can obey all Torah (including Dt. 18:13 and it's quotation in Mt.5:48.....see Lk.1:6). So don't confuse " תָּמִים " with SINLESSNESS... Sure, we all may sin or stumble at times....but that's ok....you're still perfect if you walk in Torah.....after all, Torah PRESUMES that you will sin at times...that's WHY Torah includes the SIN OFFERING. And, those who offer sin offerings, as needed, are " תָּמִים ". CONCLUSION: תָּמִים is not SINLESSNESS. "We "find rest" - not a lot more work. " We find rest, because Torah-obedience is easy (Mt.11:30)! It's NOT too difficult (Dt.30:11). You can do it! (just as in Lk.1:6). It's not "a lot more work"....it's EASY " It's HIS yoke." And YOKE is a term a rabbi uses to express the set of rules/requirements/regulations/beliefs associated with that rabbi.....and rabbi Yeshua requires ALL Torah (Mt.5:19) and says it's EASY (Mt.11:30). " I can pray for it, but I cannot - of myself - just somehow generate it. " Faith is something YOU CAN DO TO INSURE YOU HAVE IT (Mk.11:22).....otherwise Jesus would be giving an impossible command. After all, Ps. 119:66 models faith in Torah....and Paul applies this to you (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16), because Paul requires FAITH (Rom.5:1) AND TORAH (Rom.2:13) TOGETHER for justification. Not law alone (Gal.5:4-5). Not faith alone (says James 2:24). But BOTH. TOGETHER. TORAH is of FAITH (Mt.23:23). You CHOOSE to obey Torah....or you CHOOSE to disobey Torah (Dt.30:19). CHOOSE to obey Torah in Faith and live! This confirms faith is a CHOICE. blessings...
  24. House wife....interesting.....always wondered what it would be like to be married to a house..... (ok...bad joke.....) And yes, the pre-1965 days when silver coins were actually silver! I think Trump would like to get us back onto the REAL MONEY system...but it's a process....one step at a time.... blessings....
  25. " And yet you say "those are ACCURSED who oppose the Gospel of faithful Torah-obedience" Yet the people Paul is calling accursed are those who were saying, "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." and "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses." " Exactly. The circumcision party required CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a condition of identifying Gentiles as SAVED.....and of course, this is wrong. Torah does not even require such a thing! Thus, the circumcision party was NOT requiring FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE....rather, the circumcision party was requiring Torah IN PLACE of faith.....and THAT is what Paul opposed in Galatians. Remember? Paul OPPOSES law without faith (Gal.5:4-5). Paul REQUIRES faith (Hab.2:4) and faith is of TORAH (Ps.119:30,86,138). Thus, the circumcision party required law without faith. Paul requires Law (Rom.2:13) AND faith (Rom.5:1) for justification. Both. Together. " "This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves." Gal 2:4 " Exactly. We are free to be saved in Christ WITHOUT needing to do CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a prerequisite for being identified as saved. We are FREE to obey Torah faithfully in Christ AFTER being saved by grace through faith. We are FREE from the terrible idea that we should be slaves to CIRCUMCISION+TORAH as a prerequisite for being identified as saved. Instead, we are saved by GRACE (Ac.15:11). AND! GRACE is given to the humble (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34); AND humble people obey Torah (Nu.12:3;Ps.25:9;Ex.33:13;Zep.2:3). So we still need to obey Torah......we're just not SAVED by faithless Torah-obedience. Rather, we are saved AND we obey Torah FAITHFULLY. The circumcision party OPPOSED faith. We in Christ UPHOLD faith. And faith is of Torah (Mt.23:23). " Consider Gal 5:2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. " Agreed! After all, Torah does NOT require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. That's why the Torah-obedient Paul requires TORAH (but not adult-convert circumcision, 1Cor.7:19)....because Torah does not even require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision. " the Law of Moses demands circumcision. " The ongoing mark of circumcision in Mosaic Torah is via INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3), NOT adult circumcision. " So do you demand that Christians get circumcised? Or should they not obey the Law of Moses? " Forget about me! Do what the BIBLE requires! Jesus requires ALL Torah (Mt.5:19). John agrees (1Jn.5:3). Paul agrees (2Ti.3:16). Stephen agrees (Ac.6:10-15). BUT! Does Torah require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision? I don't think so. Rather, the ongoing mark of circumcision is INFANT circumcision (Lev.12:3)....same thing in Ge. 17....the ONGOING mark is via INFANT circumcision (Ge.17:12). CONCLUSION: Obey the Torah of Moses AND circumcise males on the 8th day, to the extent possible in this present diaspora.....after all, Paul NEVER opposed Lev.12:3. blessings...
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