Desopixi Seilynam

What? Not everyone that says to me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that DOES the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many miracles? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me you who work LAWLESSNESS. THEREFORE, whoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, shall be likened unto a wise man..... [ John 5:24 John 10:27 ] Matthew 7:21-24 Jesus is talking about actually putting His teachings into practice. Those who get into heaven will be those who actually heeded His teachings, that is what is being said in Matthew 7:21-28. The will of the Father is that we obey the Son: Deuteronomy 18:18-19, Acts 3:22-23. 2 John 1:9-11, 1 Corinthians 16:22, Revelation 22:14-15.

We've had all this discussion before. By believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in Acts 16 it is clear that they meant believe the teachings of Jesus, because the passage goes on to tell us that "they told him all the word of the Lord, and to his household, and they baptized them" What Paul and the apostles did is exactly what Jesus told them to do. Teach people His teachings and baptize them; Matthew 28:19-20. You want to insist that Jesus said: Go ye into all the world and tell people I died for them and am their savior. But Jesus said; Go ye into all the world and teach all nations... teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you. Matthew 28:19-20 The good news is the full message that Jesus preached, the enemy would have us ignore or downplay the message that Jesus preached.

What does it mean to abide ? If you keep my commands you shall abide Paul has something to say on the matter as well: If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 He that does not love me, does not keep my commands. John 14:24 If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

The problem is that you see "hears my word" in John 5:24 as referring to something other than Matthew 5 through 7 and Luke chapter 6. "hears my word" in John 5:24 is referring to the words Jesus spoke, not to any words of Paul, or to a "gospel promise" Jesus is speaking about the good news that He preached.

Where does the Bible say anything like that? I believe in the person Jesus, He is alive, He is watching over my very thoughts, because He is God. We are to believe in Jesus Himself, not a finished work, a person. Because as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Romans 8:14 Holding every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 And that He died for all, that they which live should henceforth not live unto themselves, but unto Him that died for them and rose again. 2 Corinthians 5:15 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 He that does not keep my teachings, does not love me. John 14:24

If you keep my teachings, you shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commands and abide in His love. John 15:10 This is my commandment, that you love one another, as I have loved you. John 15:12 And they were astonished at His doctrine, for He taught as one with authority. Matthew 7:28 Whoever disobeys the Torah, and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ, does not have God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you preaching, and does not bring this teaching, do not invite him into you house, neither give him a greeting, lest you be partaker of his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11 If anyone preaches otherwise, and agrees not to wholesome words, even to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine that is according to godliness, he is proud knowing nothing 1 Timothy 6:3-4 Anyone who does not abide in the teachings of Jesus does not have God. Anyone who does not agree to the teachings of Jesus is proud knowing nothing. So say the apostles specifically. They warned us of messages that neglect the simple teachings of the Lord. Jesus' teachings are the foundational message of the good news.

Verily verily I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on Him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 'Verily verily I say unto you' Who is Jesus talking to? Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because he not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Him equal with God. Then answered Jesus and said unto them..... John 5:18-19 The Jews. 'He that hears my word' What is His word? For had ye believed Moses, you would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if you believe not his writings, how shall you believe my words? John 5:46-47 Matthew 5 through 7 is a detailed account of His words. His words that all must obey as written by Moses: Deuteronomy 18:18-19 and stated by Peter Acts 3:22-23. 'and believes on Him that sent me' Who is Him that sent me? That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son, honors not the Father which has sent Him. John 5:23 The Father. What does it mean to honor the Son, honor the Father? For Moses said honor your father and your mother But you say, if a man shall say to his father or mother, it is Corban, that is to say a gift, by whatsoever you might be profited by me, he shall be free. And you allow him no more to do anything for his parents, making the word of God of no effect through your tradition Mark 7:10-13 It means to DO for Him. To work for Him. To live for Him. To be there for Him. It is not just lip service or the giving of money, it's a lifestyle. John 5:24 says one has to hear Jesus' word and believe on the Father. "He that hears my word, and believes on Him that sent me" The context of the verse (stated out specifically above) makes clear how it is meant, I do not think we can take that specific verse for the Gentiles very strongly, it only makes sense in context. Otherwise you are trying to take a verse that is about belief in the Father, and make it into one about belief in general. And in John 5:24 it is clear that hearing Jesus' words is requirement.

What does believe in Him mean? Just believe that He died and rose from the dead? Which you would glean from Romans 10, but in Romans 10 Paul makes clear: "with the heart man believes unto righteousness" Romans 10:10 Therefore Paul defined what kind of belief he is talking about, a belief that changes a person, a belief leading to a lifestyle. The very lifestyle he goes on to preach in chapters 12-14. So "believe in Him" does not mean just believe that He died and rose from the dead, and go back to being however you were. If we believe that He died and rose from the dead, and that He is the Messiah, we should therefore believe the words He spoke. And if we believe the words He spoke, actions follow. Simply because He said things like; give and it will be given to you....

Sheep believe. But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep. John 10:26 Not believers become sheep, but sheep believe. My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27 Sheep hear His voice, and sheep follow Him. Because they believe Him. It does not matter how one becomes a sheep, what is clearly defined is who the sheep are, their, general, state of being, is one of hearing the words of the Lord, and following them. We all as sheep have clear record of the Lords words, I am talking about the clear teachings of Jesus that we have, every sincere Christian hears and follows Jesus, otherwise they are not sincere. They may falter in their journey, but the journey their on is one of actually following Christ. ------- If anyone preaches otherwise, and agrees not to wholesome words, even to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine that is according to godliness he is proud knowing nothing. Whoever disobeys the Torah, and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the doctrine of Christ, has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you preaching, and does not bring this teaching, do not invite him into your house neither give him a greeting, lest you be partaker of his evil deeds. And they were astonished at His doctrine for He taught as one with authority. Matthew 7:28 The teachings of Jesus are the corner stone of the apostles message. Anyone who does not agree to the teachings of Jesus is proud knowing nothing. Anyone who does not abide in the teachings of Jesus does not have God. So said the apostles specifically.

You are saying that being born again, becoming a child of God, happens at the moment of belief. Paul said: As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Romans 8:14 The Galatians thought that their one time act of circumcision was like a ticket into heaven. Paul told them firstly that they would have to follow the whole law, not just get circumcised, and then he explained that salvation is about a life lived, not a one time event. For what avails anything is faith that demonstrates itself by love. That is what Paul said, not faith alone, faith, that works by love.

What is the bare minimum in heaven, and which scripture gives you any such idea? 2 Corinthians 5:10 is about the terror of the Lord as Paul clearly says in verse 11, it is not about an award ceremony as certain men preach. "These last men have WORKED only one hour." Nevertheless they worked, their belief led them to action, that is the mark of sincere belief. Neither circumcision nor un- circumcision availas anything, but faith that works by love. For faith without works is dead, being alone. Hitler's repentance would only be genuine if had also turned himself in to face due justice, certainly if he had said a sincere prayer the Spirit would have led him to do so. He that despised Moses' law died at the hands of two or three witnesses, of how much worse punishment, suppose ye, shall he be counted worthy who has trampled under foot the Son of God,and has counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was SANCTIFIED, an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29 He who does not provide for his own, especially they of his own household has denied the faith and is worse than a non believer. 1 Timothy 5:8 Someone still entering heaven is not receiving worse punishment than a non believer, therefore the idea of an award ceremony does not line up with all scripture we have on the matter.

For I know that my Redeemer lives, and that He shall stand at the last (day) upon the earth. Job 19:25 And even if worms destroy this body and I die, yet in my flesh shall I see God. Job 19:26 Israel's dead men shall rise, together with my dead body shall they arise. Isaiah 26:19 [ Revelation 19:7-14 "the marriage of the Lamb ... and the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses" ] [ 2 Thessalonians 4:16-17 "in the clouds, in the air" ] On that day, the Lord with His strong and severe sword, shall slay Leviathan and the Dragon that is in the sea. Isaiah 27:1 [ Revelation 19:20-21 "which sword proceeded from His mouth" ] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, son of man, and say unto the wind, Thus says the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live. Ezekiel 37:9 And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His chosen ones, from the four winds, and from one end of the sky to the other. Matthew 24:31 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. [ a resurrected army ] Ezekiel 37:10 And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army Joel 2:11 [ Revelation 19:20-21 ] Joel 2:3 [ 2nd Thess 1:7-10 ] Joel 2:4 [ Rev 19:14 ] O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. .. And you shall know that I am the Lord when I bring you up out of your graves. Ezekiel 37:12-13 when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee... of the hope and resurrection of the dead am I called in question. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection [ that passages such as Isaiah 26:19 and Ezekiel 37 are not about resurrection ] neither angel nor spirit but the Pharisees confess both [ angels/spirits and resurrection ] Acts 23:6-8 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers. Acts 26:6-7 [ Paul is talking about resurrection, there is only one passage in which God promises resurrection directly Himself and to the nation collectively; Ezekiel 37:12-13. There can be little doubt that that passage is exactly what Paul is referring to. The death and resurrection of Christ proved to Paul that such passages were indeed about actual resurrection like the Pharisees believed. ] Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead? Acts 26:8 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:52 For the Lord Himself shall descend from the sky with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and thereafter we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 And I saw the sky opened, and behold a white horse, and He that sat upon it was called Faithful and true, and in righteousness He does judge and make war. [ 1 Thess 4:16 Lord descends ] And the armies IN THE SKY followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [ 1 Thess 4:17 in the clouds, in the air with the Lord ] Revelation 19:11, 14 ( verse 14's "which were" is an added in phrase, a good Bible will show you such ) ( and heaven means the sky: Genesis 1:8 )

They may not always be hearing and following. But they do hear and follow. We are described as sheep, so we may go astray sometimes, but we are on a defined path, the straight and narrow way, deciding to follow that way is part of what makes us sheep. My sheep hear my voice... John 10:27 I say unto you that hear, love.... Luke 6:27 Clearly the passages are connected, we are supposed to hear and obey what Jesus taught. What Jesus taught is "the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ" that is to be obeyed, that Paul speaks of in 2 Thessalonians 1:8. And the message from Christ are the "words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine that is according to godliness" that Paul speaks about in Timothy 6:3-4. The love Christ taught is the way His sheep go, we may stray, but we know His way because of His word, and have made a decision to follow it. His words are Spirit and are life. John 6:63 The Lord is the Holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17 Following the teachings of Jesus is therefore following the direction of the Holy Spirit. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. Romans 8:14

Let us read what you quoted in total and simply put the verses together, because you have to then argue with Paul, not me. Paul brings in a lot of conditions that go ignored by many for some reason. And Paul is very long winded, if one is not willing to read his words as such, you will miss his clear points. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Romans 8:14 And if we are children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Romans 8:17 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing. And now abides faith, hope and love, these three, but the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:2, 13 Moreover brethren, I declare unto the good news, which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also you are saved, IF you hold fast to everything I preached to you, unless you have believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 (Christ really actually rose from the dead ,and we really will raise from the dead, just as Christ rose from the dead, that is our motivation) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, [ love ] for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord (you will be resurrected immortal) 1 Corinthians 15:58 He that does not keep my teachings does not love me. John 14:24 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22

What scripture backs up that notion? My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27 Where do you see "ought to do" or "policy" in that? The immediate context is verse 26: "But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep, as I said to you" Therefore clearly verse 27 is in fact a definition of who His sheep are. It is not a policy statement, the context makes clear that verse 27 is a definition. Sheep believe. Sheep hear His voice. Sheep follow Him. Sheep receive eternal life. That is what is being clearly defined in John 10:26-28.

The words and the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous who will be living in the last days. That is verse 1. I think it is scripture for us now, so the evil ones don't want us reading it. It tells us many details about the nature of the sky and land, the doors and windows in the sky, and the special paths the sun and moon make around the land and sometimes through the sky. And it speaks of the location of the garden of Eden.

if we are children IF As many are are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Romans 8:14

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, him will God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Of how much worse punishment, suppose ye, shall he be counted worthy who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:29 [ Romans 15:15-16 ] Unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit he can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. John 3:5 Because as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the ones born again, children of God. Romans 8:14 And again of John 10:27, it says nothing about "ought to do". It describes who Jesus's sheep are, who they are, not what they do or ought to do, but who they are, their state of being. My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me. Your notions of "ought to do" are not in the text, the text is clearly describing who His sheep are. Does John 10:27 describe you?

Yes, sheep refers to believers, and "My sheep" are clearly defined. "My sheep, hear my voice, I know them and they follow me" Therefore if a person does not hear His voice and follow Him, that person is not one of His sheep. A sincere believer will therefore hear His voice and follow Him, if not, their belief is not sincere. I say unto you that hear, love.... And we have had this discussion before. Yes, what He says of His sheep is not a condition, it is a definition of who His sheep are. If that definition does not define you, then you are not one of His sheep.

Therefore, whoever hears these teachings of mine, and does them, shall be likened unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock. And the rain descended and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell not, because it was founded on the rock. But he that hears these teachings of mine and does them not shall be like unto a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, and the rain descended and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it. And they were astonished at His doctrine for He taught as one with authority Matthew 7:24-28 Whoever transgresses (disobeys the Torah 1 John 3:4) and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9-11 He that does not keep my teachings does not love me. John 14:24 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let them be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 If anyone preaches otherwise, and agrees not to wholesome words, even to the words of our Lord Jesus Christ and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud knowing nothing 1 Timothy 6:3-4

Is the responsibility on God equally also for those going to hell? Are there men predestined to go to hell? Is God's way fair? "Paul stood in the midst of Mars hill, and said, ye men of Athens.... God .. commands all men everywhere to repent" Acts 17:22-30, 31 Can every man everywhere repent? When Pharaoh ordered the Jews to gather their own straw and yet maintain the same quota of bricks, the thing was said to be evil, for Pharaoh asked them to do an impossible task. [ Exodus 5: 5-13,18,23 ] Is God evil? Can every man everywhere repent? It must be therefore that God made a way for every man everywhere to repent, because God is not evil. Let us examine also the life and death of king Josiah. "behold therefore ... you will die a natural death" 2 Kings 22:20 But yet Josiah made the choice to go after Necho king of Egypt, when he did not need to, and therefore due to his own prideful choice he did not die naturally. 2 Chronicles 35:20-27 God made a free will system, after having made the first choice. The choice to suffer death on behalf of His creation and then physically rise from the dead. Because of His wise and perfect first choice and plan, it matters not whatever other choices are made by His creatures, His choice allows for and is the vehicle of our free will. God is love. God gave us the ability to choose and wants us to use it to choose Him. And so, yes, we should always pray, our minds should be full of prayer all the time for everyone around us.

That "inherit" and "enter" are referring to two different things. The Mark 10:17 and 10:23 passage shows the most clearly that that notion is false. Both inherit the kingdom and enter the kingdom are the same idea. There are preachers that when reaching Galatians 5:21 will dismiss the clear warning from Paul by saying how that "inherit the kingdom" is not the same as "enter the kingdom". Paul makes clear however that those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. Galatians 5:24 We don't just live any old way and end up in heaven because we said a sincere prayer at some point in time. People who really said a sincere prayer, will therefore live a certain way, simply because they sincerely believe, and largely because the Holy Spirit will be in them. He that does not keep my teachings does not LOVE me. John 14:24 If any person does not LOVE the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema, Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 Why did Paul say that? What is he doing there? People were giving him too much authority, some saying how that they are of Paul, 1 Corinthians 1:13, and so Paul took that misguided authority they gave him and gave it right back to Christ, in a very strong and bold way. If any person does not LOVE the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema, Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 Love for Christ is shown by obedience to His simple teachings. John 14:24, John 10:27

The full passage includes verse 27, Jesus defines who His sheep are, which are people that hear His voice and follow Him. In John 10:27-28 Jesus does not say "believers" receive eternal life. His said His "sheep", that "hear my voice" and "follow me", receive eternal life. Read it carefully and see: John 10:27. Somehow you want to interject "sheep" as just believers, when clearly the passage is defining sheep as those who hear and follow, not just believers. You are trying to insist on something that is simply not in the text. If you believe ALL of what Jesus said, then you would be living a certain way. Because Jesus said things like, give and it will be given to you. And, love even your enemies and your reward will be great. Do you really believe Jesus? Then actions would follow.

Your neglecting and ignoring Revelation 21:6-8. And Matthew 22:11-13 And Romans 8:13-14 together with John 3:5-6 And Ephesians 5:5 And Galatians 5:19-24 ".......they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts." And 2 John 1:9-11 And 1 Corinthians 16:22 together with John 14:24. And Hebrews 10:26-28 And the full statements in John 10:27 The full context of scripture makes clear that sincere believers live a life of repentance, ending up as righteous as possible by the power of the Holy Spirit inside of them. Jesus' sheep receive eternal life. John 10:27-28 Jesus' sheep are they that hear His voice and follow Him, that is what Jesus specifically said: John 10:27 A sincere believer will therefore hear His voice and follow Him. One who rejects Jesus teachings rejects the leading of the Holy Spirit. Of how much worse punishment, suppose ye, shall he be counted worthy who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ. And therefore according to 2 Thessalonians 2:12 those who have believed the truth have not delighted in wickedness. Wickedness is sin. Wickedness is actions, works. Those who have believed the truth have delighted in good works instead of wicked works. [ Titus 3:8 ]