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What is in the prophecies will happen, what is not in the prophecies will not. God has a will for man that will not be denied, but he lets man decide how he is going to carry that will out.

The only thing that would be surprising about this would be that anybody would be surprised about it.

Why would you work at a job you don't like, one that you detest?

Can't, Won't, Don't. Three words we speak about ourselves and the things we do, the actions we take. Words have meaning and words have power, I believe we should always be aware of how we are using them and how they are being used on us (Remember: God spoke all things into existence and we are created in his image.) 1 Can't. Can't implies something impossible, both for an individual and for a group, and is sometimes true and sometimes not. ...... are you sure this is true and why is it true? "I/we can't (fill in the issue) because ... " 2 Won't. Won't implies resistance to something, some temptation or some undesirable action you are considering. "I Won't (fill in the issue) because ... " Do you know why you won't? 3 Don't. Don't implies a decision has been made about something you can do, that you've decided not to and the issue ends there. "I Don't (fill in the issue) because ... " Do you know why you decided? "Because" is justification and can be either a truth (I can't flap my arms and fly like a bird because I'm not a bird) or an excuse used in place of the truth (I can't go to Mexico because I don't speak Spanish). As a Christian, how many things do you apply these words to in your daily life, and what results do you get from them? Do they make you more or less effective as a Christian when you do? This is my incomplete morning thinking so far today. Your thoughts on the subject?

I spent some time in Oklahoma a good number of years ago. They didn't even allow the sale of alcohol there at the time, and when they did finally vote to legalize it each county was allowed to either allow or not allow its sale within the county, with both "wet" and "dry" counties. There was a strong religious influence in Oklahoma in those days, the ones just after the depression and the dust bowl. I imagine there are remnants of that influence still left there even today.

Twenty five verses, twenty five topics. each worthy of serious discussion in themselves. And that's in just one chapter in one book of it. The Bible, the word and work of God, is an astonishing book, is it not?

I've known many people in my life who could quote every verse in the bible by chapter and number, backwards and forwards and and almost magically open a closed Bible to the exact page the scripture was on and others that seemingly understood everything in the Bible without being able to quote a single verse, or even find a book book somewhere in the bible without flipping all the way through it page by page till they ran across it, if their life depended on it. Two types of knowledge, which is the greater? And why? (Not a simple thing to answer, much consideration needed)

No, we have to function in a manner that represents Christ within it, not participate in and lend support to it in its ungodliness. Cooperating with evil is not good, no matter the motive for doing it. Evil knocks at our door looking like it is something very desirable to us so that we welcome it into our home. Then it destroys us. Consider the story of the Vampire -figuratively, not literally- how it gets invited in by looking like some beautiful or handsome person we want to associate with, and then, once inside, proceeds to kill us. The story of the Vampire, fictional as it is, is the story of evil and how it works on us in this world.

Maybe if I sneak past the drag queens for kids meetings and lok away when I pass the porno for kids aisle and say nothing when I see men in dresses entering the girls bathroom? No way I will enter anything I can identify as a stealth Temple of Satan, even entering one is a form of worship to him.

Right, so beware of those teaching you to seek gifts by working hard to develop your spirituality by following them. We have entered the age of deceit, it's everywhere and presenting itself as something to be desired.

I can't use sources I find Satanic, anti-Christian and pro abomination, I find that to be worshiping at one of Satan's many temples and paying a tithe to him by subscribing to them. But I may be wrong, did Jesus say anything about this, something that could be applied to it?

I've known people like that, they seem to work very hard to earn those gifts.

Satan wins because Christians retreat when faced with the task of opposing him.

Wondering why parents put their children under the care of Satan in public school if they are among those calling themselves Christian? The Bible has a great deal to say about how we are to raise our children, perhaps there is profit in paying attention to it?

Where can I find it (without paying a tithe to Satan to do it)?

They say "Two Rabbi's, three opinions", but I would add "Two Christians, four opinions". How many different ways do we deceive ourselves into holding and defending false thinking, and how do we correct ourselves when we discover we are? Keep in mind that Satan gains his power through lies, through putting forth lies and deceiving us into accepting them as truth. Your thoughts?

A lesson to learn from it? Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins and that you receive not of her plagues. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" (Douay-Rheims).

Was old age and death designed in to man, as he was perfect as God designed him in the Garden, or did the process of aging and death begin when he sinned and only occurred after the expulsion from the garden? Could man have lived millions of years in eternal youth in the Garden, or would he still have grown old and died in a few short years there anyway? Does the Scripture offer any insight into this?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Eden wasn't a place, I meant to imply that maybe physical conditions, possibly even the passage of time itself, could have been very different within that place and outside of it. That would explain why we don't find human fossils alongside the fossils of those Dinothings, humans (Adam and Eve at the time) were not where they were and they were not where Adam and Eve were. (FWIW, I really don't believe in two creations with only Adam common to them, but I don't deny the possibility of it either)

That's pretty much the way I see it as well. They -the clones- wouldn't be creations of God. they would be creations of man and man cannot create souls, it isn't under his authority to do so.

Some questions occurring to me as I read this thread, questions I think could be given some degree of contemplation. Was the Garden of Eden all of the earth, or was it a specific territory of the earth with all things outside of it existing as well as all things within it? Were those things, the ones within and without, the same and for the entire length of passing time before the fall of man? Could things outside of the garden been developing differently and independent of the things God placed within it? If it was a specially cordoned off part of the earth, were conditions outside of it and within it the same with all of the same content of flora and fauna and the same governing rules? How long did man live in the perfection of the Garden, 90 days? 90 million years? Did time even have the same meaning, or progress at the same rate, within and without the Garden? I'm sure we can find those answers in scripture but I don't know where to look.

It's easy to use too many words to say little, and too few to say much.

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith Jehovah: Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the ancient paths, which is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein . (Darby) Wouldn't this be implying there are multiple path to choose from and we are to ask the Lord for guidance in taking the right one, the one he wants to take? Or am I misunderstanding or misapplying the scripture?

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OP here, I have to ask forgiveness for this post, it has turned into a divisive political argument that is dividing us from one another in the spirit of Christ and I never considered it would turn out that way. It was actually meant to provide some discussion of the coming difficulties we will be facing and what the Lord will expect of us as Christians, not to divide us on political lines. I should have presented it differently.