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Always be about our Father's business. That way, we will always be ready. Our redemption draws near.

Psalm 139:14-16 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." Praise be to God forever. Amen 🙏

Joel 3:1-5 "“For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land, and have cast lots for my people, and have traded a boy for a prostitute, and have sold a girl for wine and have drunk it. “What are you to me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the regions of Philistia? Are you paying me back for something? If you are paying me back, I will return your payment on your own head swiftly and speedily. For you have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried my rich treasures into your temples."

Bring it!

Genesis 2:1 says "the HEAVENS and the earth WERE FINISHED" in six days. The creation of the heavens are in the beinning part of the six creation days. There is no gap.

There is no gap. Genesis 2:1-3 (1) Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. (2) And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. (3) Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is what the Bible says. And the Bible doesn't say what you claim it says. The Bible says there was a beginning, which God created, because God is eternal (has always existed as God). In the beginning God created, and in six days he completed His creation. Jesus confirms this in Matthew 19:4 and Mark 10:6.

What? Either you got that from that false prophet Ellen G. White or the unbiblical book of Enoch. Either way, it's adding to the word of God, which is a big sin. "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land died: and every living substance was destroyed ..." Genesis 7:21-23.

Everything you see around you, the people, the landscape, the machines and architecture, is all fading away. But we who are in Christ, we have already passed from death to life, and our eternal destiny is with the Lord.

It is clear and unambiguous from scripture that Jesus both preceded David and was the offspring of David. Just as it is clear and unambiguous from scripture that there are three eternal persons in the Godhead. Making bold claims that Scripture clearly supports a flood after creation that destroyed a pre-Adamic lifeform requires more than conjecture and assumptions based on private interpretation: it requires clear and unambiguous scripture.

So you're calling God a liar? God did not make the sun stand still the whole day? Clearly written? Where is it clearly written that God created the earth, then destroyed the earth with a flood, killing all life on it, then recreated the earth from that which He destroyed, then flooded the earth again in Noah's day? The Bible does not say any of that. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth formless and empty. God Himself tells us that male and female were created at the beginning of creation. (Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6). The first six days of creation is the beginning. There is no gap.

Where does it say anywhere in scripture there were two beginnings? Where does it say in scripture that there were two floods that destroyed all life, save Noah? Where does it say in scripture that God did not create the "sons of God" of Job at the very moment in the beginning when He created the heavens and the earth?

You've answered your own question. What God has revealed to us as "darkness upon the face of the deep" is NOT a description of God, but of the beginning of God's creation.

Correct. God did not create in vain, He created according to His sovereign will. And God was gracious enough to let us know a bit of His creative process in the beginning. There is no gap.

I reject that interpretation/translation: chaos. The statement: "And the earth was formless and void", is simply stating that in the creative process, in the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, God created the earth without form and empty, meaning there was no life in it. God then tells us what He did to form the earth and to fill it with life in the days following the first day of creation. God's word confirms that the six days of creation are the beginning. Exodus 20:11, "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is." Revelation confirms that the first heaven and the first earth. Rev. 21:1 Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, confirms that the six days of creation are the beginning. Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6. Peter even acknowledges that scoffers (unbelievers) will say, "all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." Peter 2:4. God is omnipotent. He is not hamstrung by what we mere humans know. Full stop 🛑 Says who? God knew what, when, where, how, and why He was doing when He created time, matter, space, the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. What little we know is, by God's grace, that which God has revealed to us. To God be glory forever. Amen. Or, both of your assumptions are wrong. The right view is that the earth was without form and void in the beginning because that was how God began His sovereign creative process. God tells us of His creative process in the beginning: the earth was formless and void and covered in water. God did nor create life until day three. God tells us why He destroyed life in the flood of Noah's day.

No I'm not: "was formless and void" does not imply chaos. You're translation "became" implies God created, and then had to destroy what He created because it was chaotic. There is no gap. The six days of creation is "the beginning."

Says who? God protected Noah and all those on the ark. If you doubt that, then you must also question whether the laws of gravity vanished when the sun stood still for a whole day? (Joshua 10:13). God is able to do that which man could never do.

Be fair, now: hayetah tohu wabohu has more than one interpretation. It can, and does translate, "was without form and void (or empty)", consistent with the textual reading in the English translations. Thomas Chalmers, who began the nonsense of a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 2, was more concerned with his peers in the scientific community calling him nuts for not siding with scientists who rejected young earth creationism. Chalmers started a division and a cult that attracted many weak wishy-washy followers who call themselves "Bible believers."

I never said God "needed" anything. You assumed God "needed six days" because He created in six days. Your logic is flawed, or you truly do believe God is not omnipotent. Fact: God created in six days, but He could have done it all in a single moment. Stop making unwarranted assumptions. I never suggested any such thing. It is repugnant that you would make such a false allegation as an overseer of on this forum? When did the earth "become" void? Seems like you are suggesting chaos. Prove from Scripture your position that there existed pre-Adamic human beings, or that God created the esrth then destroyed the earth then recreated the earth from that which He destroyed. You can't because the Bible doesn't support it. You're just aligning yourself with weak wishy-washy types who can't defend creation from a young earth perspective, which is what the Bible teaches.

God spoke light into existence on day one. "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ... the first day." Gen. 1:3-5. God spoke the trees and herb yielding seed, etc on the third day. Gen. 1:11-13. No. Creation is from Gen. 1:1-31. There is no gap. There's only one beginning to creation: Gen. 1. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." You seem as though you believe God is only able to create one thing at a time, which would mean you don't view God as omnipotent. Not in the Bible. Using sources outside of the Biblical record to support gap theory is not of God. Pember, Chalmers, Ruckman, et al, are unbiblical gap theorists.

You would agree, I'm sure, that God knows when the beginning was and what occurred in the beginning. If God was to make a reference point to "the beginning", we would have to accept that reference point as true. For example: Genesis 1:1 of God's word says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth..." Then, continuing in Genesis 1, God informs us of a series of six days in which God spoke into existence all things in the heavens and on the earth and in the waters. So, if God were to point to any one of those six days as "the beginning", we would have to accept that as true, don't you agree?

Was there one beginning, or two?

You're welcome.

The battle we're in isn't against flesh and blood, but against spiritual wickedness. We that are in Christ have the privilege of wearing God's armor to fight against the devils schemes. See, Ephesians 6:10-19. Kindly note when reading Ephesians 6:11, and 13, that the armor is of God: truth, righteousness, the gospel of peace, faith, salvation, the word of God. All of these God gives us so that we may be able to withstand in the evil day. Even our prayers and openly sharing the gospel are a weapon, which we we do so in the Spirit.

Amen. Sober and smoke free here since August 2016. I no longer count the days or months or years, but I can still remember with crystal clarity the day I was set free. Peaks and valleys for a while after that, but no more: God got me through it, and God will fo the same with you. I credit it all to the power of God alone. All praise blessing honor glory and power to our heavenly Father Son and Holy Spirit now and forever. Amen amen 🙌 🙏