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Sounds like you agree with Leonard...... sometimes folks just need killin' It's a good thing that we don't normally get to make that decision. Sorry, I don't see how what I said led to what you said? If "sometimes folks just need killin' " I didn't say it was up to us to make that decision. It is God's business and His only to decide when and how one of the people He has made should die. He did give us guidelines on capital punishment, of course.

Keep in mind that God, as Creator, has the right to determine how long each of his creatures lives and the manner of each one's death. The reason murder is evil is not so much because it is ending a life - murder is evil because it is stealing God's right to say when and how someone dies.

Hi, sdb deacon, nice to meet you! I have come to believe that I should rest on Saturday as opposed to Sunday - haven't been able to find a group to fellowship with though.

Ah, neb, sounds like me. I have come to believe, from reading the Scriptures, that drinking of itself is not sin, as opposed to drunkenness, which is sin. But I don't drink alcohol either. I can't stand the smell of it! The closer it gets to my nose, the more it makes me feel like I'm gonna throw up. You and me, sis...

I too do not understand this. Doesn't the Balaam's donkey incident, for example, qualify as Divine interference without Balaam' permission?

Neb, this is a passage from Psalms that stunned me a few years back: Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. 11 Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins. 12 Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place.

How does a gap between verse 1 and verse 2 during which massive amounts of creatures die square with Paul's assertion that Adam's sin ushered in death? Either there was no death before the Fall (per Paul) or else Scripture is inconsistent...

One question: are you the driver when you do that???

Seems to me there's a spaghetti junction in Louisville Ky too, isn't there?

Are you sure he's banned, neb? He's still listed as 'member.' I told my kids last night that I had seen someone online who claims that Copernicus was wrong; they were stunned. Really, if the earth is completely stationary, then everything out there in space would have to be whirling about us at incredible speed, just to keep up the 'illusion' that our earth was turning once every 24 hours. So much easier if the earth is turning! Besides, if all our beliefs about the workings of the solar system are wrong, how do we account for the fact that we earth-dwellers have sent up so many things to go out and visit our fellow planets, using calculations based on Copernicus/Kepler/Newton etc - and the space probes have gotten to where we sent them? If our assumptions were wrong, wouldn't the probes gone who-knows-where instead?

In the very simple of Scripture Matt 12:50 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother." NKJV Matt 19:29-30 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first. NKJV This clearly the understanding... Love Steven I'm sorry, Steven, but to me the only clear that is, is 'clear as mud.' Could you explain a bit more, please? 'Cause I'm kinda You are not ! but if you hunger for more of Him you must empty that which you hold now that is not of Him so that He may fill Himself in that emptied place within... The Lord has fully exposed His purpose in coming John 18:37 >That truth< that He delivered was constantly shown and stated throughout His Life... to love the Lord our God with all of being and as to others to lift to this same purpose of love unto God The Father.... In the garden it was shown to us to the nth degree- Father... with all of my being Christ, The Lord of Glory, requested another way rather than separation from His Father as a result of bearing our sins in His Person! His resolve was complete abandonment of Holy Self desire and to yield fully unto The Father's Holy Will! Listed above in those verses is the directive put into practice where that which is closest, that which you hold most dear, should be as hate- because of it's pull away from that purposed directive "Your Will Father" be the entirety of motive in my being! Luke 14:26-29 26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it

Nebula, I use this site for Spanish translation, and I noticed that one of the possible languages is Arabic. I think if you can copy and paste in the text, it should translate it for you. (I would have done that part as well, but couldn't find the text to copy and paste.)

In the very simple of Scripture Matt 12:50 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother." NKJV Matt 19:29-30 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first. NKJV This clearly the understanding... Love Steven I'm sorry, Steven, but to me the only clear that is, is 'clear as mud.' Could you explain a bit more, please? 'Cause I'm kinda

Saved the pic for my wallpaper folder. Nice! Strangelove, eh? Interesting nickname. Puts me in mind of Peter Sellers... and that arm with a mind of its own, yep...

Keep in mind that Bill Cosby is in fact Dr. William H. Cosby, with a Doctorate in Education. (Wouldn't you have loved to have him as your teacher in high school?)

Do you believe the US is the Beast out of the sea, one of the heads of the Beast, the Beast out of the land, or Mystery Babylon? Daniel chapter 11 is about the US.The events take place in the promised land.The beast out of the earth is the same as the king of the north. You're going to need to explain how the US can be to the North of Israel. I've heard of people claiming the 7 mountains to be Jerusalem's before - even though it is not the only significant city on 7 mountains. The rest of your claims, though are new to me. But if the heads are physical mountains, how does a mountain have an appearance of having died yet come back to life, causing the world to marvel and worship? What appeared to have died was the nation state of Israel .It took place in 70 ad.The world marveled when it appeared once more nearly 2000 years later. As for the king of the north.Ive been watching that chapter for quite a long time.If you have watched the prophecies come to pass as I have then you would understand as well.But I dont expect anyone to believe me about it.You will have to just dig into it yourself if you want to understand it.If not its no sweat off my back. And here I was hoping for a real answer to neb's question... Let me guess.You too dont believe the word of God? Rev 17;9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. If anyone says those heads are not mountains then it is because they have no wisdom. From what Ive read the mountain was coverd with limestone and blood. The Romans were quite brutal. I don't understand; why are you insulting me? I wanted to understand what you were saying about the prophecy, but your answers are murky at best, and when I gently point out that your answer to nebula was not really an answer, you make the accusation that I don't believe the Word of God? Why is that? Can we actually discuss the topic without making insulting assumptions about each other?

Do you believe the US is the Beast out of the sea, one of the heads of the Beast, the Beast out of the land, or Mystery Babylon? Daniel chapter 11 is about the US.The events take place in the promised land.The beast out of the earth is the same as the king of the north. You're going to need to explain how the US can be to the North of Israel. I've heard of people claiming the 7 mountains to be Jerusalem's before - even though it is not the only significant city on 7 mountains. The rest of your claims, though are new to me. But if the heads are physical mountains, how does a mountain have an appearance of having died yet come back to life, causing the world to marvel and worship? What appeared to have died was the nation state of Israel .It took place in 70 ad.The world marveled when it appeared once more nearly 2000 years later. As for the king of the north.Ive been watching that chapter for quite a long time.If you have watched the prophecies come to pass as I have then you would understand as well.But I dont expect anyone to believe me about it.You will have to just dig into it yourself if you want to understand it.If not its no sweat off my back. And here I was hoping for a real answer to neb's question...

What is God to make of that? No judgment RGR, just an observation from someone far removed (sometimes with advice, a good place to be). Walk away and pray while you wait. Blessings (and I really mean that) Fez, you misunderstood. I wasn't praying for them to get back together, but I was praying for them....a huge difference. No, Fez knew that's what you were praying for. The problem is in the way you phrased it to her - you said it in such a way that she could (and probably did) interpret it as you were praying for them to get back together. That's the lie Fez was concerned about. And consider - if she thinks you were praying for them to get back together and then the reconciliation goes bad again - she may not feel like she can trust you, thinking you want them together. But, yeah, like ladypear said, be very cautious to keep all your time around your coworker very very public. Edited to add:

Well, another thing about the gravity - the orbits of some of the comets coming in lately have been other than what was expected, so they think something of great gravity must be out there deflecting the comets out of their proper orbits. Keep in mind how far out they are talking about this thing being - roughly a quarter of a light year away! That's a long way out to be tracking something that does not shine with its own light.

Ok... So you're in a scenario where your church has been taken over by unBiblical practices, and you have either left in obedience to the Lord's directive 'Come out and be separate' - or else the unBiblical leadership has kicked you out - and then what? If 'it is wrong to start your own church' and you can no longer go to your former church, what are you to do? Sit and twiddle your thumbs? (In other words, if the unrighteous have taken over the church and kicked out the righteous, what are the righteous to do?)

Sorry sheya, I am being a bit "thick', as we say here - it's been a long day. Are you saying this is a reason to join a congregation of believers, or a reason not to? Not being confrontational sister, just trying to understand the question... Hi, Fez. If you look at some of the posts just before mine (trying to look at them myself, but my dial-up is being sllllloooowwwwwww), there were people saying that various reformers were being unBiblical in leaving churches they saw as being wrong in teaching/practice. That reminded me of these verses, so I posted them. Ok, I was thinking of this post in particular: I believe all Christians need to take a class on Church history. To understand the "labels" one needs to understand the context from which they came. The "One Body of Christ" was so institutionalized that when one man (Martin Luther) declared that the Church was removed from Scripture and needed to return, there was nothing he and his followers could do but to start their own "fellowship". But after a time, it too fell into the rut of organizing, doctinalizing, and of course they were branded with a label early on which became their identity to separate themselves from "the big institutionalized Church" . . . and so they became their own institution. This pattern was repeated over and over again, and individuals began receiving revelation that certain elements of "the Church" and even the previous "reformers" were removed from Scripture. And so their attempts to bring Christianity as a whole back to Scripture served to create a new congregation which grew and institutionalized and so on and so forth. Sadly several of these denomination have completely lost base with their roots even. So while it is easy to speak of unity, it isn't so easy to walk out in practice. Try having a predestination-believing person tag-team preaching with a salvation-by-free-choice believing person. I think folks ought to study the bible. Martin Luther's followers had no authority to start their "own fellowship of believers." Jesus calls the church into unity (John 17)and only built one church (Matt 16:18) for these unified believers to exist in. No one has this authority. The church does not belong to us. It is subject to Christ who paid foir it with His blood (Acts 20:28). Christ sets all the parameters for the church. If you are in a fellowship that is not adhering to the faith then your duty is to "return" to the correct faith and not start your own faith group. The denominational founders were not wrong for being dissatisfied with the faith practices they grew up with. Those practices (many belonging to the RC church) were not scriptural. They were wrong in starting their own denominations. The A.M.E.Z. church sprang from the white Methodist church. Blacks were being discriminated against in the Methodist church by white members. Blacks could hold no positions of leadership in the Methodist church. The black memebers went off and started their own fellowship (African Methodist Episcopal Zion church). The white Methodist church was clearly not following Christian principles but the black members had no biblical authority to branch off and start another faith group. They should have left but they should have restored their fellowship in the practices of the bible and returned to Christ's church. If they had done this "Christian" and the "name of Christ" would be the only names they would be concerned with. They would have followed biblical practice and rejected all man made religous inventions including the idea of denominationalism. Many think "what is wrong with a denomination?" It is where many learned about Christ. The problem though is Christ clearly states that things not planted by God will be uprooted (Matt 15:13). Denominations were not planted by God. People are attempting to obey God in a "place" not designated by God. Many are working hard but working in vain.

Wait - someone here was advocating fornication?

What are we to make then of the Lord's command,"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate"? 2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

And the cold returns to deepindahearta Texas once more...

Yet another reason I'm a holiday dropout.