Jedi4Yahweh

He does not have to say it, but he advocates Communism in his actions. For example, he applauds ruthless dictators such as Cuba's Castro and Venezuela, Hugo Chaves. He points and says, hey America needs to be like this. As if they are the role model for Democracy and freedom. He praises these dictators then condemns America at the same time. What more proof do you need?

Michael Moore is absolutely a trader to this country. We have the worlds best system of Government, Freemaket, Military and Healthcare yet he continues his Anti American attacks. Yes, they may have some flaws but its the best and most humane out there. Yes, all of these can be improved upon, but no need for his hateful and vicious attacks on our country. What he wants is a socialized Communist form of Government in America. Socialized/Communistic Government is the most inhumane form of Government. Do some research and you will see that Communist control by fear and propaganda, they starve their people, offer little or no opportunities, and offer little or no freedom to their people. Actually, we rank 37th in terms of healthcare system performance out of industrialized nations. http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html Please provide evidence where Michael Moore advocates a communist government. That depends on what they are basing their rating on and the World Health Org. is not what you would call American friendly. For instance, Canada known for its broken heathcare system, yet its rated at number 30, better then Americas 72. What a joke!!! The reason they are ranked so high is becuase it is socialized and free...but what they do not tell you about is, its slow response time and long waits just to see a doctor, and high mortality rates. The quaulity of care does not even compare to Americas. One canadian citizen told me that if you put in a request to see a doctor today it would take months maybe longer, just to see a doctor. Also, Candians healthcare does not include most services that are offered in Amercian health care system. On top of that, the Goverment determins what type of treatment you will get, not the patient. The quality of health care is governed by Goverment not the free market. The health care may seem expensive in America, but you have to consider the you not paying the majority of you paycheck to the Goverment you only spending a fraction for health insurance. In Canada they have a right to deny you treatment. In American no one can be denied treatment, including illegal aliens. See link below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_...ystems_compared You have to view those ratings based on who is giving those ratings. These same orgaization rated US as the most inhumane compared to Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Iran and other countries. Most of these world orgizations are tied to the UN that hates America and Democracy.

Bottom line giving illigal immegants a free pass only encourages more illigal immegration. Its unfair to those who wish to enter legally. That Bill was completely wrong, I dont care who voted in favor of it. This is one reason I am losing faith in President Bush is because he thinks he can appeal to liberals and conservatives at the same time, much like John "Phony" McCain. He should have stood with his conservative base, now he is hated on both sides of the isle. I want a President that believes in what he stands for and stands strong on those issues. He has been strong on the war and I do give him credit for that but most other social and fiscal issues he has not.

Amen if only Liberls had faith in their in their own country. Democracy in Iraq will not happen over night and most times things get worse before democracy gets established. Look at America's own civil war, america did not become a democracy over night but took years before it was offically established. Civil War sometimes is a part of establishing democracy. Its a matter of each opposing group setting down and working out compromises. Some groups dont want to compromise and that leads to conflit, but after they are tired of fighting they sit down and make the compromise.

Does anybody have a clue what this guy is talking about?

Michael Moore is absolutely a trader to this country. We have the worlds best system of Government, Freemaket, Military and Healthcare yet he continues his Anti American attacks. Yes, they may have some flaws but its the best and most humane out there. Yes, all of these can be improved upon, but no need for his hateful and vicious attacks on our country. What he wants is a socialized Communist form of Government in America. Socialized/Communistic Government is the most inhumane form of Government. Do some research and you will see that Communist control by fear and propaganda, they starve their people, offer little or no opportunities, and offer little or no freedom to their people.

She did not say that or imply that at all. Reread it and slow down. She said before we were saved that we were bound to do sin..but now we are saved we are bound to do righteouness. When you were a sinner did you ever do what was right? You mainly lived to serve self and and sin but every once in awhile you did something right. This is the same with being a slave of righteousness. Sometimes we sin but we strive with all our hearts for righteouness because we want to please God. Now if this is not in your heart then and you choice to live a sin filled life with out any regard to God then yes you are a servant of sin and not of righteousness. See the difference? One is servant of God and one is a servant of Self. I can remember before I got saved I was big into partying and sexual misconduct, I lived to please self....but now that I am saved I put away those things and strive for rightouseness. Do I still sin??? Yes but my heart is pointed in the right direction. When I sin I feel terriable and confess it to God and then I continue to strive for rightouseness. This is called being a slave to righteosness. We have to love righteousness more then sin.

You eat bacon!!!...how un-Kosher of you. LoL

Your right...Jude did quote from the book of enoch. I have read the book of enoch and I think I still have it in my library. I think for the most part the book of enoch was not included into the cannon, due to its scacity and the fact that it has several differant volums in which all have not been clearly validated as from Enoch the prophet himself. I do believe much if not all of it was from Enoch the Prophet. I think it is very much in line with the bible. Another thing is that we have no specific record of where Jesus directly quoted from the book of enoch. Where as Jesus directly quoted much of the Old Testimenat. One important fact, is the Book of Enoch was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That should carry some weight. I do recommend it as very good spiritual reading...but not sure if I can say if the entire collection is God Inspired.

2Th 2:6-8 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. (7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. (8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. I have heard many ideas of who the restainer is, that is holding back the Beast from being revealed in the Last Days. I have heard some on the dispensationist side say that it is the Church the is holding back the Anti-christ and he will be revealed once the church is raptured. But based on scritpture it is Michael the ArchAngel that is holding back the Anti-Christ from being revealed. Not the Church because the Church is never referred to as an "He". See the scripture below... Dan 12:1 And at that time, Michael shall stand up, the great ruler who stands for the sons of your people. And there shall be a time of distress, such as has not been from the being of a nation until that time.... The word or words "stand up" in the hebrew also means: "to cease, to leave." Thought that was pretty interesting

Gods bigger plan is to save all men.

Shalom Jedi, Just for the record, Jews are saved the same way Gentiles are...by coming to the Cross of Yeshua and offering up their lives to Him. Aman!!! Vicklynn that is what I wanted to hear...........and yes it is a little off the subject.

The argument is not about if circumcision is ok or not, but if it is a requirment for salvation and being a believer. I have already explained that in my last post. Not sure why you are attacking me with that issue. It says for a Jew to remain circumcised if he is already cicumcised, if he is uncicumcised to remain uncircumcised. Please explain to me how one is to become uncircumcised, please. I think that would be rather hard to accomplish. Paul was in no way telling Jews they must become circumcised to be a Christian, but contrary. I have no problem with circoumcision, except if people are making it a requirement. Pauls whole ministry was fighting those who where trying to legalise the gospel and bring bondage on believers. You use a lot of BUT's in your respones. There is no BUT to this argument. You either believe that way or you dont. You still have not explained your position on this. You say one thing, then you throw in an exception to the rule. My question was, is it required for Jewish Christians and/or Genitle Christians, not if it was ok. I noticed that you took out the part about scarifices at the temple. Are Christian Jews still required to perform animal sacrifices? You cant pick and choose which parts of the torah rituals that you want to follow and then live out the rest. No, I have no problem with a person that wants to be circumcised or eat kosher, unless they are making this a requirement for other believers, Jew or Gentile.

I did not say you said that or anyone else for that sake. You did made that statement that "Gentles" believers are not required to follow Judaism in order to be saved. Which leaves the questions open of the "Jewish" Believers. It would have been clear if you would have said that both Jew and Gentiles are not required to follow Judaism in order to be saved, but you didn't word it like that. This leaves the implication and the idea open that "Christian Jew's" are required to follow those things in order to be saved. (circumcised, eat kosher, sacrifice at the Temple, etc.) Did you intentionally leave Jews out of the equation??? You could make this all clear by simply stating Jewish Christians nor Gentile Christians are required to follow those thing in order to be saved; rather then arguing by what you meant or or how I understood it. Not so sure what your implying by the scriptures you posted except that Christian Jews are still required to follow Judaism. Please clear this up for us all, so all can understand you.

It would be also wrong to teach that Christian Jews are still required to follow Judaism to be saved. (circumcision, eating Kosher, animal sacrifices, etc...) They were only shadows of what was to come under the New Covenant. These were completed in Christ. These things play no part in ones salvation for Jew or Gentile. They do have spiritual implications to learn from. Is it ok for a Jew or anyone else to practise these things? Sure, except for the animal sacrifices, but they are not required to be saved. Someone that teaches others including Jews that they are required to follow these are simply not under the New Covenant of Christ and aer bringing people under bondage. These people are what Paul called wolves in sheeps cloting.

Rom 11:8-11 As the scripture says, "God made their minds and hearts dull; to this very day they cannot see or hear." (9) And David says, "May they be caught and trapped at their feasts; may they fall, may they be punished! (10) May their eyes be blinded so that they cannot see; and make them bend under their troubles at all times." (11) I ask, then: When the Jews stumbled, did they fall to their ruin? By no means! Because they sinned, salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make the Jews jealous of them. Isn't this what we are seeing in this forum????

It was not worded at all like a "clarification" particularly when you told her to look at the big picture. That did not come off as "clarification." It came off as you assuming she meant that it was all about the Jews and you were to straighten her out. Furthermore, if anyone was to clarify her words it would be her not you. That is part of your problem. You read into what other people are saying and assume things that are not there. So Yeah, I have a real problem with your attempt "clarify" her words. It is both arrogant and presumptuous. Yeah whatever, now get back on subject.

nebula, Ok...but I am a just a litte confused about what original statement. I am not trying to be rude about what she said, I was just clarifing it. God bless you Vickilynn

I was just recently reading a post that said that the Anti-Christ would be perceived as this friendly Christ like figure that leds people away from God but that is not how the bible describes the Beast. That is more in line with what the False Prophet will be doing. Daniel describes the Beast as the viscous world leader that boldly persecutes and blasphemes God and his people. He boldly declares himself as the God above all other Gods. The False Prophet will be the head of the false bride that trys to misled people away by deceptive and false teachings from the true path.

No Gods plan from the beginning was is to save all men, not just the Jews as you say. It not all about the Jews, its about God sending his only begotten Son to die for the World not just Jews. You got to see the big picture. Where in Vickilynn's statement did she say it was God's plan just to save the Jews? You really have to work pretty hard to twist her words like that. She did not saying thing that was exclusionary. I was just clarifying her statement because the way it reads sounds like Gods plan is the save jews...period. Well, what about the rest of the world? I know she does not believe that or at least I hope she does not believe that way. Do you have a problem with my clarification or are you just out on a war path.

Hi, I have heard many people characterize the Antichrist in many ways, but I believe many people are confusing the The Beast and The False Prophet both spoken of in Daniel and Rev. as the same person. if you read in the Book of Daniel the Beast and The False Prophet in the last days are two different people. The Beast is a world leader that persecutes the church and boldly blasphemes God and persecutes the nation of Israel even other religions. The False Prophet, on the other-hand is a religious leader that misleads many Christians away from God in the last days with his false teaching and doing things that wows people in to following him into deserting the true teachings of God. There are also distinctions in Revelation of the two. Most people like to combine them as one but they are different people but with the same evil purpose both with different plans of achieving it. One is out to persecute and one is out to misled. One is doing it from the outside and one is doing it from the inside. Read this scripture to see what I am talking about: Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, by which they were turned from the true way who had the mark of the beast, and who gave worship to his image: these two were put living into the sea of ever-burning fire.

No Gods plan from the beginning was is to save all men, not just the Jews as you say. It not all about the Jews, its about God sending his only begottn Son to die for the World not just Jews. You got to see the big picture.

Being a Christian is a battle. It takes spiritual warfare to survive. I get beat up a lot, but its God that restores my soul. If you try to live for God with out praying and clinging to Gods word you will not make it. You have to pray everyday asking God for strength and to keep you from temptations and to protect you from the tricks of the devil. I have learned that If you pray the way Jesus taught us we will have all the spiritual power we need to live a strong and victorious life in Christ. I am not just saying that as a metaphore. Trying to live for God on your own strength only results in miserable failure. The days that I dont pray or spend time meditating on God's word is the days that I am the weakest. I have to literally ask God to deliver me and keep from sin, because I know I cant on my own good strength.

You intentionally misunderstand my point, brother. Your straw-man is not our argument over who does and does not constitute the

No...i don't agree at all. Paul was a faithful Jew and served the law and his religion to the fullest, well until Jesus came into his life. Paul did a 180...He didn't become a better pharasee he became a new man in Christ, unlike the rest of those who claimed to be Jews. Those whom he formally served with were now out to kill him. So no he did not come to the fullness of his faith because he had no faith until this point in his life. He didn't become a better Jew he became a completely different person in Christ. He was disowned by the people of his religion. So, you are saying Paul was no longer a Jew? Not saying that at all. I am saying he didnt become a better Jew he became a son of God.