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By the power of the Holy Spirit. When they put hand to pen and pen to paper God made sure they knew what His Son prayed

I have read the book of Enoch and it blessed my heart. I have also read the Apocryphal books and I must say that when one reads these book one must read with his heart. I can say that my research has told me that the book of Esdres or Esdras were actually written by Ezra but I wouldn't state that as a teachable fact. But I will say that the books of Esdras state that he was taken up by God. So I searched the book of Ezra for a record of his death and found that there was no biblical record of the death of Ezra. Interesting isn't it? Most people don't know it but even the book of Hebrews was removed and reincerted into the new testament over the last 1500 years more then a few times. There are also 6 books mentioned in the bible that are not in the bible. That to is interesting isn't it?

Historically speaking the only reason why the Sabbath day is not Saturday is because sometime around 320 AD the Roman Church changed thje day of worship to Sunday. It actually started out to be Sons day. It was to be a day set aside for recognition of Christ by Constentine the Great after he named his self Pope. However because the people adopted it as a holy day the Sabbath day was changed to Sunday. Paganism was prevolent in Rome and before Constentine converted to Christianity he was a worshipper of the Sun and his paganism influenced the church. Which is why the Sabbath day is now called Sun-Day. But never fear for I have seen the Lord work on every day of the week as long as two or more are gathered together in His name.

When the bible says that "it shall be given into his hands" it means what it says. The antichrist will change the laws of God. The laws of men are already on his side. Laws regarding abortion, gay marraige, euthanasia and what the bible says about sinners is already considered "hate speech" in the EU are already reflecting rebellion against God. So the antichrist will not be changing the laws of men but the laws of God. " iniquity ( which means lawlessness of God's law) shall abound so much so that the love of many(lovers of Christ) shall wax cold". As for the times the antichrist will change we know this much from the bible. The antichrist can not change the present because God is in control, the antichrist can not change the future because God has pr- ordained it. But the antichrist can change the past. He will appear claiming to be Christ. He will also claim that the Christ of two thousand years ago was a fake and with his many miracles he will decieve many. Whena man gaines control of the EU and starts speaking out against the laws of God and persecuting Christians there will be no doubt about who he is.

This is your opinion. It's not fact. While it cannot be concretely proven that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture, it also cannot be proven that there will not be one, so any one saying it's "false doctrine" or some kind of "evil horrible teaching" is just giving an opinion based on nothing more than. . . their opinion. Might want to do a little more research because a pre-tribulation rapture was taught much, much earlier than 1830. OK Don't just run your mouth about the per-trib rapture concept being preached long before 1830. PROVE it. Send some reliable researchable proof. I can certainly send you some proof that the pre-trib concept is a lie from the pits of hell. One of the pre-trib concepts major characteristics is the fact that Christ will come for His people before the antichrist shows up. But in 2 Thess 2:3 the word of God says the day of Christ will not come unti after the antichrist is revealed, unless of cource you are calling that portion of scripture a lie. Read it, research it and see for your self. Now there are those who teach that 2 Thess 2:3 happens after verses 6,7,& 8 of the same chapter take place. But that to is a lie from hell because it can not be scripturally proven. Another of the major characteristics of the pre-trib concept is that in 2 Thess 2:7 the bible speaks of a "Restrainer" or "He Who Withholds" or He Who Letteth" will Restrain until he will be taken out of the way. And then the wicked shall be revealed. (verse 8) The pre-trib concept teaches that this "Restrainer" is the church/body of Christ or the Holy Spirit. However that teaching can not be scripturally proven by any other scripture which makes that concept also nothing but a lie and an assumption. So now I have sent you some scriptural proof that proves that my opinion is not based on simple opinion and is infact not at all an opinion but a belief that is based on scriptural fact. If the characteristics or features of the pre-trib concept can not be proven scriptually then the whole pre-trib concept is what God would call a lie from the chief of all who lie. Which leaves only the mid-trib and the post-trib concept left and I am ready to dispute the post-trib concept using the word of God to back up my beliefs. I spent 8 years researching the book of Revelation and the only reputable, researchable and provable documentation that I could find was the MacDonald story. I can tell you that before 300 AD the whole of the early church believed in a mid-trib resurrection. After 300 AD the Roman church took over dictating doctrinal belief and the Jerusalem church simply faded away. You are hereby Challenged. As The Spirit of Compromise Rages On

This is your opinion. It's not fact. While it cannot be concretely proven that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture, it also cannot be proven that there will not be one, so any one saying it's "false doctrine" or some kind of "evil horrible teaching" is just giving an opinion based on nothing more than. . . their opinion. Might want to do a little more research because a pre-tribulation rapture was taught much, much earlier than 1830.

Man, I just love your message. You are so right and there are millions of Christians who are deceived by this escape theology of a pre-trib "rapture". Please permit me to correct you. Margaret MacDonald, sister of James and George MacDonald of Port Glasgow, had been sick and bed ridden for about 18 months during which time she claimed to have had a series of vision of the coming of the Lord. As she had these visions she wrote them down and sometime during March and April 1830 she sent a copy of these visions to a man named Edward Irving who pastored a Presbyterian church in London. About a month later Edward Irving claimed that Margaret's letter had a huge impact on him. From that point in time the per-trib concept has developed. But in Margaret's letter she said a lot that was contrary to scripture including misquating the parable about the ten vigins and talking about a secret rapture which is not spoken of anywhere in the bible. Believe it or I have a copy of her letter. I got it from a website call name, I think "Last Trump.com"

Sorry, I should have specified. Biblicist gave us definitions of denominations and religions. So I guess you could say they were different Christian denominations that were confused on the subject of Jesus being Jehovah. Now, what I would like to know is who classified Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as "non-Christian?" Anyone who makes that assumption is misinformed. But, as a Mormon, I enjoy being in my own "category." I realize that Morman's do not believe in the Trinity and believe that Jehovah is Jesus. So with that in mind and knowing you believe that God is separate, my simple question is "Where is God in the Hebrew Scriptures?" I am not trying to be smart, but no one has ever answered that question for me. Your question is strange to me. The God in the Hebrew Scriptures is right there, smack dab in the middle of it all! the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit are right there on every page. i'm surprised no one pointed this out. Jehovah is a linguistic mistake. Jehovah did not appear until 1530 first off. The written Hebrew did not use vowels until a bit later, the originals read YHWH, that's the expression in English for God. The name of God, "YHWH" became too sacred to pronounce among many Hebrew's, so where ever YHWH appeared, the scribes added vowel marks signaling the reader to say, "Adonai", ( Greek= Kyrios, Latin Dominus, English Lord) which was substituted for the unspeakable YHWH, instead of yaweh. The result of this, is if your not aware that your supposed to read "Adonai" it sounds like "Yahowah", or Jehovah. Jehovah is not the name of God, it's a mix of yaweh, and Adonnai. As for Christ being like yaweh, I believe so. They are of the 'same substance', one nature three persons, which I believe was adressed earlier. I can't emphasize enough though that, "Jehovah" is a linguistic mistake lol. God bless all, Beatus Dei, ave Christos! Si Deus pro nobis, quis contra nos? God was in the burning bush. God was walking in the garden, God was "Us" in Gen. 3:22, God was three men who stood by Abraham in Gen. 18:1 & 2, God came looking for Moses to slay him in Ex. 4:24, God wrestled with Jacob all night in Gen.32:24-28 and Jesus, He was the King of Salem in Gen. 14:18 As for the Mormons. They read a totally different holy book then what the 99% of Christiandom reads which is what they call "Another Testament of Jesus Christ". Which is absolutely contradictory to what we are tought both in the new and the old testaments. Anybody who falls for this false testament is decieved by satan and will reap their just rewards for rejecting the living testament of Christ. Which is to suffer eternal darkness and pain. Repent and be baptized Survus Christi and you shall be saved from the eternal burning.

Sorry, I should have specified. Biblicist gave us definitions of denominations and religions. So I guess you could say they were different Christian denominations that were confused on the subject of Jesus being Jehovah. Now, what I would like to know is who classified Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses as "non-Christian?" Anyone who makes that assumption is misinformed. But, as a Mormon, I enjoy being in my own "category." I realize that Morman's do not believe in the Trinity and believe that Jehovah is Jesus. So with that in mind and knowing you believe that God is separate, my simple question is "Where is God in the Hebrew Scriptures?" I am not trying to be smart, but no one has ever answered that question for me. Your question is strange to me. The God in the Hebrew Scriptures is right there, smack dab in the middle of it all! the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit are right there on every page. i'm surprised no one pointed this out. Jehovah is a linguistic mistake. Jehovah did not appear until 1530 first off. The written Hebrew did not use vowels until a bit later, the originals read YHWH, that's the expression in English for God. The name of God, "YHWH" became too sacred to pronounce among many Hebrew's, so where ever YHWH appeared, the scribes added vowel marks signaling the reader to say, "Adonai", ( Greek= Kyrios, Latin Dominus, English Lord) which was substituted for the unspeakable YHWH, instead of yaweh. The result of this, is if your not aware that your supposed to read "Adonai" it sounds like "Yahowah", or Jehovah. Jehovah is not the name of God, it's a mix of yaweh, and Adonnai. As for Christ being like yaweh, I believe so. They are of the 'same substance', one nature three persons, which I believe was adressed earlier. I can't emphasize enough though that, "Jehovah" is a linguistic mistake lol. God bless all, Beatus Dei, ave Christos! Si Deus pro nobis, quis contra nos? God was in the burning bush. God was walking in the garden, God was "Us" in Gen. 3:22, God was three men who stood by Abraham in Gen. 18:1 & 2, God came looking for Moses to slay him in Ex. 4:24, God wrestled with Jacob all night in Gen.32:24-28 and Jesus, He was the King of Salem in Gen. 14:18

Its not that its 'forced' upon you, it might cost you your life but the main focus is that you won't be able to be a part of the world society without that mark. You're basically stripped from any form of buying and left on your own. Those without the mark will probably be looked at as some sort of virus and needed to be done away with. But then Christ steps in and who will stand against Him? It should be obvious from scripture that whether or not you take the mark will be a choice. I believe that when we are no longer able to use the worlds system to survive God will step in. Read Revelation 2:17 and do some research on it. You will find that the word "hidden" speaks of that which is "hidden from our sight" and the word manna does not mean "bread from heaven" like the wisdom Jesus brought with Him. The word manna is speaking of the bread from heaven that God fed the Isrealites when they could no longer use the things of this world and were totally dependent on God for their food and every thing else. So shall it be when we refuse the mark.

As a matter of fact there is a bar in Spain called "The Baha Beach Club" that offers V.I.P status if their customers will recieve a micro chip in their right hand. With this chip they know who he is and how much money one has to spend as he is walking through the door that opened for him before he got to it because a reader read his chip. There also other V.I.P. sections to the bar that only one who has the chip can go into. One can by a drink with the wave of a hand.

As a matter of fact there is a bar in Spain called "The Baha Beach Club" that offers V.I.P status if their customers will recieve a micro chip in their right hand. With this chip they know who he is and how much money one has to spend as he is walking through the door that opened for him before he got to it because a reader read his chip. There also other V.I.P. sections to the bar that only one who has the chip can go into.

The tattoo can be removed and it can be copied or counterfeited. so that can't be the mark. Well what I do know is this. In Leviticus 19:28 the word mark (in the Hebrew) speaks of a tattoo and tattoos are imprinted onto your skin using a needle or some other carving device. In Revelation 13:16 the word mark is used to speak of a mark (in the Greek) that is stamped, imprinted or carved into the foreheads or the right hands to identify the marked person as being a follower of the antichrist. So both words in each scripture are talking about the same thing. So the tattoo talked about in Lev. is the same kind of mark spoken about in Rev. Oh By the way. I forgot to tell you that the ink that the company developed in St Louise in invisable to the naked eye. Just like our government controls the paper and ink we use to make our money so can the government control that ink. So it could be the mark of the beast.

That is right and an RFID tattoo would work that way. If he government can pin you down and force you to recieve the mark. You can cut it out or off just as easy.

so is that all it takes? i am a priest under the lineage of christ as is every other christian. so i guess that means we can preform our own marraiges. no i am not twisting, i am asking that the verses be shown that say we must be married by a church or judge or priest. AND i have repeatedly said that all that is necessary is the comittment (covenant) is made between the couple and God. Anything else is a contract between the government and the two parties involved. You are correct about being a priest. Being a Christian qualifies you as a priest of sorts but only if there is not an Ordained priest readally available. I will do some research and see what I can find. The botton line is that if a marraige is not a God sanctified marraige it is an illegal marraige in the eyes of God. Well I guess you are correct after all. Biblically speaking marriage is a lifetime covenant between a man and a woman. A good gift God gave us is sex for the purpose of showing love to each other and procreation. Any sex out side of that commitment before or after is considered sin. The best that I can tell the bible says nothing about any physical marriage contract or any laws concerning the process to get married. However we are commanded to obey the laws of the land unless they are contrary to the laws of God and being married by a priest or a justice of the peace is not sin in the eyes of God or of men, but we should remember this. Even Jesus has a time when the Bride is gathered to Him, the marraige takes place and a marriage supper accures in celebration of the covenant marriage. I stand corrected and I apologize for my insult. Robert Robert, You did not insult me at all. I know we are to obey the laws of the land but look at the laws. the laws don't care whether or not were married by the JP or a church. The law only covers making a binding contract concerning assets and liabilities in that marraige. it doesn't care one whit whether or not we are making a convenant or comittment to each other beyond those two things. According to the law of the land, you don't even have to be married to live together as married people. in fact the law of the land encourages us not to be married! It rewards us for not being married. For example, the marraige tax. if you cohabitate together, you aren't penalized in your tax returns with a lesser amount of deductions. Also look at how it penalizes you if you are married and are in need of assistance. So the law of the land isn't any guideline. [/quot Today the laws of the land are changing. Wrong is right and right is wrong. So what about the marraige license and the blood test? A JP isn,t supposed to marry any one without it and one can not get a marraige license without a blood test.

There is no difference. The word trump is simply short for the word trumpet.

That is my whole point Lady Raven. We are supposed to be the moral compass of our nation and when we believe in false doctrine we affect our nation in a negative way. Everything about the bible is worth worrying about and every false teaching is worth worrying about.

Don't you folks get it. When God called out in the garden after they fell from grace He called out for Adam not Eve. He ask Adam what He had done first not Eve and it was only after Adam tried to sherk the blame that God turned to the woman. Adam alone was responsible for keeping order in the garden. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam He said "Because you have listoned to the voice to of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you saying,' You shall not eat of it.- There is not one shread of biblical evidance that God ever commanded Eve personally not to eat the fruit. Which makes Adam responsible.

so is that all it takes? i am a priest under the lineage of christ as is every other christian. so i guess that means we can preform our own marraiges. no i am not twisting, i am asking that the verses be shown that say we must be married by a church or judge or priest. AND i have repeatedly said that all that is necessary is the comittment (covenant) is made between the couple and God. Anything else is a contract between the government and the two parties involved. You are correct about being a priest. Being a Christian qualifies you as a priest of sorts but only if there is not an Ordained priest readally available. I will do some research and see what I can find. The botton line is that if a marraige is not a God sanctified marraige it is an illegal marraige in the eyes of God. Well I guess you are correct after all. Biblically speaking marriage is a lifetime covenant between a man and a woman. A good gift God gave us is sex for the purpose of showing love to each other and procreation. Any sex out side of that commitment before or after is considered sin. The best that I can tell the bible says nothing about any physical marriage contract or any laws concerning the process to get married. However we are commanded to obey the laws of the land unless they are contrary to the laws of God and being married by a priest or a justice of the peace is not sin in the eyes of God or of men, but we should remember this. Even Jesus has a time when the Bride is gathered to Him, the marraige takes place and a marriage supper accures in celebration of the covenant marriage. I stand corrected and I apologize for my insult. Robert

so is that all it takes? i am a priest under the lineage of christ as is every other christian. so i guess that means we can preform our own marraiges. no i am not twisting, i am asking that the verses be shown that say we must be married by a church or judge or priest. AND i have repeatedly said that all that is necessary is the comittment (covenant) is made between the couple and God. Anything else is a contract between the government and the two parties involved. You are correct about being a priest. Being a Christian qualifies you as a priest of sorts but only if there is not an Ordained priest readally available. I will do some research and see what I can find. The botton line is that if a marraige is not a God sanctified marraige it is an illegal marraige in the eyes of God.

Shalom E, Because G-d ordained it and WE are the church. We are to live by HIS standards. We are to obey the law of the land. Nope, you're wrong. Read the Common Law marriage laws. They have restrictions and one of them is that the could WILL get a legal marriage at some point. And in the states where it is illegal, it is considered shacking up to live together without being legally married. How ridiculous. Adam and Eve were married by G-d. There was no such thing as a church then. You don't have to go to a church, but you DO have to have a legal marriage to be legally married. YOU GO VICKILYNN. There is always going to be somebody who wants to justify sin by twisting the word of God. God was the only High Priest on earth at the time that Adam an Eve,s union was sanctified by God. While it is true that we don't have to have a church or a priest to get married we do have to have some sort of biblical recognition and according to the laws of our land, we do at the very least have to be married by a Justice of the Peace. Ruth and Boaz got married according to Jewish custom which means that they had a marriage ceremony that was presided over by a Jewish priest. It would have been illegal to do otherwise according to Jewish law Your arguement about God justifing living in sin sucks! Be Blessed

You know the thing that really bothers me is this. Last year there were more then 250,000 Christians who died simply because they believed in Christ and the number is growing each year. They were hanged, beaten, burned to death,they had their heads cut off, women and young Christian girls had acid thrown into their faces which forever made then look like monsters, their churches were burned down or blown up. In some cases gunmen came into their churches during services and opened fire killing and maiming many. In countries like China, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Somalia and many more countries, Christians are killed daily with the approval of the government. any muslem who converts to Christianity are disowned by their family and killed. They are discreminated against in their employment, schooling, healthcare, social services and individual rights because they are lovers of Christ. Need I go on? So for all of you who don't believe that you are going to be here for a great tribulation guess what? WE ARE ALREADY IN ONE. Just because we cant, see it happening in America doesn,t mean that it is not already happening in the world outside our country because it is. Most of the civil wars in the world are between the Muslem and the Christian populations and the Christians are losing ground. So wake up and remove the scale from your eyes because one day it arrive on our shores and hit us like a ton of bricks just like 911 did. What is the difference between those persecuted Christians in the world and us here in America? Not a single thing. What do you think they would say if you were to walk up to them and say "God said that Christians will not have to go through that kind of persecution". Man they would laugh in your face and tell you. We are already suffering great persecution. Mark my words. There are about 1,000,000 Assyrian Christians living in Iraq and there is fear that if we move out of Iraq the Assyrians will be wiped out and they will. They will be forced to convert to Islam or die a torturus manner. So wake up and smell the coffee because it is burning. The pre-trib concept is a doctrinal belief straight from the pits of hell. As False Doctrinal Teachings Continues

Won't be here. To have a plan is to not believe what the Word tells me. The WORD tells you that the antichrist will be here before Jesus returns which means that you will be here to suffer persecution. 2 Thess 2:3 Read it and rejoice.

What has the church got to do with marraige?? Common law marraige is still valid! you don't need a church, preacher, or courthouse to be married. just you, your mate and God is all that is needed to make a marraige. We must not forget that common law marraiges got started because in many places in the first 150 years of our country there were not enough preachers to go around and they were called Circuit Riders. These preachers would spend time in each county in their circuit and sometimes it would be several months between preacher visits so to make it lawful for a couple to be able to live togather until the next time the preacher came around. The common law marriage was created and made legally binding. But these couple were supposed to get properly hitched when the preacher came. Today there is no need for common law marraiges because one can find a preacher anywhere they are in this country in short order. Now mans law still says that common law marraiges are exceptable but in the eyes of God couples who live together are living in sin. So who are you going to side with? God and His laws or man's laws. God didn,t create common law marraiges man did. There might not have been a marraige certifcate in the old testament but there was alway a marraige ceremony and a writ of devorcement. Common Law marraiges are biblically illegal.