Jacshan

Hi Hunter I cant say i spent too much time thinking about it becos i just read this but at the moment I am completely lost as to the meaning of the story. Jacshan

I agree with you. It is always good to make suggestions than making assertions. Some people think they have a monopoly on wisdom. Anyway it take alltypes. probaly it helps us to cultivate tolerance to confront such people. Jacshan

I read in a book written by a former spiritist who is now a priest that there are evil spirits trying to imitate angels around. Within the same session the evil spirits pose as good and bad spirits and quote scripture as well. Their intention is to confuse people. Therefore discernment I believe is necessary. These spritists are very powerful and even perform miracles. They intervene and heal people in even foreign countries. Thought I will just pass this on to you. Jacshan

I cannot remember. Is that bad? Jacshan

I could not agree with you more on cetain points you make. The rest I dont know without studying in more detail. Yopu have given me many thoughts for a study that I am making. Thanks. Jacshan

A big Amen to tyour thoughts Jackie Jacshan

I should have perhaps phrased it differently. Where would the parents stand if the son said i am in love an unbeliever and I cannot go back. I have to go ahead and marry this girl - who is an unbeliever?

Dear Christian Thanks for the thread. It seems you have not decided on the answer as yet. I will be following this . Thanks Jacshan

(1) Do you believe John 5:28-29 and Revelation 20:12-13 are speaking of the same moment? John 5:28-29 (28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Revelation 20:12-15 (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (2) We are told in 2 Peter 3:10 that upon the Lords return all that we know will be burned up..... 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ....as Matthew 24:29, and Mark 13:25 also imply Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. If this is the case, what "human" life could possibly be left to "live and reign over with Christ for a thousand years." as we are told in Revelation 20:4? And if it is "translated" saints that are being reigned over, there certainly is no "birthing" of a new race since we will not be performing the act of procreation in our new bodies? (3) Beyond the "first" resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:4, we are never told of anyone described as "alive" afterwards, only all the remaining "dead" assembled before the Judgement throne in Revelation 20:12-15 (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. References to "nations", Gog and Magog, and "number is as the sand of the sea", still are odd, and questionable as to their "human" nature, given the fiery, element melting re-entry of our Lord into this world? Hmmmmmmmmm

Hi cardcaptor I am not well versed on this subject. I have hear the rapture preached but I dont know which version it is. Can you please explain to me in brief your version of the rapture. Thanks Jacshan

(1) Do you believe John 5:28-29 and Revelation 20:12-13 are speaking of the same moment? John 5:28-29 (28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Revelation 20:12-15 (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (2) We are told in 2 Peter 3:10 that upon the Lords return all that we know will be burned up..... 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ....as Matthew 24:29, and Mark 13:25 also imply Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. If this is the case, what "human" life could possibly be left to "live and reign over with Christ for a thousand years." as we are told in Revelation 20:4? And if it is "translated" saints that are being reigned over, there certainly is no "birthing" of a new race since we will not be performing the act of procreation in our new bodies? (3) Beyond the "first" resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:4, we are never told of anyone described as "alive" afterwards, only all the remaining "dead" assembled before the Judgement throne in Revelation 20:12-15 (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. References to "nations", Gog and Magog, and "number is as the sand of the sea", still are odd, and questionable as to their "human" nature, given the fiery, element melting re-entry of our Lord into this world? Hmmmmmmmmm I will say that there is a lot that I could go into this, but will not. The biggest problem is that the doctrine of the Rapture is incorrect and will always create these kinds of questions. I for one do not believe the rapture in the way that it is taught. I have know about the "Rapture" doctrine since 1983 and didn't even believe it then. I could lay down the way that the scriptures say it, but it will cause a great argument.

Can I please have opinions on marrying non Christians please? Jacshan

Thanks for starting the thread. Jacahan

I fully and truly empathize with you Grace. This seems to be normal in churches as we get older. In fact it has happenned to me and y wife as well. I was a deacon, youth leader and song leader as well. Infact I am making a study and preparing a sermon on related topics. No I dont think Christian frienships should end. I will send you copies of my study as I progress if you wish. Infact I am discussing what I am studying with some leaders at Worthy Boards. Thanks for notifying me about your post. May it was the Worthy Boards that did it. Jacshan

Very Interesting Yasway but have not gone into the theology of it. Jacshan