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I personally am against abortion myself. It's a sad world we live in when women feel that a child is something to do away with. But this remark here is a blanket statement about all women that have had abortions and it's not a fair assessment. Without knowing each and every women's heart one can not make such a statement as this. God bless!

I totally agree! It's a very sad world we live in.

So true! We cut all our hair here at home, saves us a bundle!

Well, taking this scenerio, I supposed if my father becomes ill, has cancer, loses his own capacity to make decisions for himself, then maybe we should look into Jack Kavorkians method. It's the same thing. We have no right to end anyone's life because we feel we are protecting them from the pain or discomfort of living a life with a disability or life threatening illness. It is in this statement that I can gladly say that I have full faith in Jesus Christ alone, that if I should have a child with any form of disability, it will be His stregnth I fully rely upon and I would feel completely privelaged that He entrusted such a child to me. That He knew I had enough love in my heart to care for that child instead of ending the childs life.

Very nice Dad! Thanks for sharing! I think it's tough at times like this for some of us to remember who is really in control of all of it!

and maccain is going to close all the abortion clinics and there will never be another abortion...right! dream on...why do you think they were legalised to begin with!!! Well, my way of thinking is it was obviously illegal at one time and it was someone with a heck of a lot of determination to get it legalized. They all probally sat around thinking they'd never be able to get it legalized, it was only a dream that would never come true. But with lots of determination they got the job done. There's no reason to believe that those of us who are Pro-Life and determined to overturn Roe v. Wade can't have it done!

Hebrews 11 7 By faith Noah, having been warned by God of things not yet seen, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. 8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out into a place which he was afterward going to receive for an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he went. 9 By faith he lived in the land of promise as a stranger, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs of the same promise with him. 10 For he looked for a city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. They knew to look to God for their salvation. They knew to expect the Messiah. By faith they were saved. This is exactly what I was thinking!

Here's a question I've always had concerning Global Warming. If Global Warming is to be causing the earth to get warmer, then how come it's been getting cooler here?? I've noticed it here the last 2 or 3 years. Summers are much more milder and winters are much more colder, with more snow and ice then previous years

Hi! I homeschool my children and we are just about to read a book on some of the things that have been mentioned. It's kinda cute, because this is written so a 2nd grader can understand, which made it that much more easier for me to understand What I read so far is, boys in Jesus's time began school around the age of 6 just like they do today. School was held in the synagogue. The boys' studied The Old Testament part of the Bible until they were 10 years old. After studying the Bible the boys' would learn the Jewish law that wasn't in the Bible. At the age of 12 or 13 years of age, most boys' were finished with school. When a boy turned 13 years old, he was indeed considered a man and therefore he was expected to know by heart 20 special verses from the Old Testament. All the children learned about back then was Scripture and the Jewish laws. They didn't learn anything else when they were going to school. So I believe that a child of the age of 12 would and probally was well schooled in knowing the Scribes. Synagogues' at that time were used not just for worshipping purposes but for school as well. It would not have surprised me to see Jesus in the temple at the age of 12 teaching others'. Most boys' at that age were already done with their own schooling. Also, yes, Jesus's Authority came from God in Heaven, but he would not have had the Authority to teach in one of the synagogues' unless he had gone through the schooling that was required of every small boy living in Jesus's time. For me it was easy to dismiss a lot of things I had been taught about Jesus's time because I always said, "The Bible doesn't say that!" But then I got thinking and learned from others' that although the Bible doesn't say it, Jesus did grow up at a different time than us, a different culture. And just as we have laws and rules we must obey for fear we'll end up in jail or worse, so did people from Jesus's time. So most likely, Jesus and his family was subject to those laws just like anyone else would have been. He would have had to go to school and he would have had to gain authority from a human in order to teach openly in the synagogues or else fear being tossed in jail. Ok, just thought I'd share with others' what I read! If this is true of the times, that all of the boys of the age were educated by the religeous schools, why is it stated of the fishermen and the other followers of JESUS that they were unlearned men, not trained in the knowledge of the scriptures? Kross, if you'd like I can give you the website where you can go and order the book yourself? Mind you, it's written in 2nd grade terms so it's very simple to understand. The homeschool division is part of Pensacola Christian College as well as Pennsacola Theological Seminary. So, I'm sure what my children are being taught is along the same lines as those going to their Seminary is taught, just in more understanding terms for their age. Just let me know, I'm more than happy to share the info.

I was reading James this morning and came across a few verses that I think is going to be beneficial to this topic. James 2:14-26 14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demonds believe that - and shudder. 20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Issac on the alter? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. Just thought I'd share some of my Bible reading with you all this morning

Hi! I homeschool my children and we are just about to read a book on some of the things that have been mentioned. It's kinda cute, because this is written so a 2nd grader can understand, which made it that much more easier for me to understand What I read so far is, boys in Jesus's time began school around the age of 6 just like they do today. School was held in the synagogue. The boys' studied The Old Testament part of the Bible until they were 10 years old. After studying the Bible the boys' would learn the Jewish law that wasn't in the Bible. At the age of 12 or 13 years of age, most boys' were finished with school. When a boy turned 13 years old, he was indeed considered a man and therefore he was expected to know by heart 20 special verses from the Old Testament. All the children learned about back then was Scripture and the Jewish laws. They didn't learn anything else when they were going to school. So I believe that a child of the age of 12 would and probally was well schooled in knowing the Scribes. Synagogues' at that time were used not just for worshipping purposes but for school as well. It would not have surprised me to see Jesus in the temple at the age of 12 teaching others'. Most boys' at that age were already done with their own schooling. Also, yes, Jesus's Authority came from God in Heaven, but he would not have had the Authority to teach in one of the synagogues' unless he had gone through the schooling that was required of every small boy living in Jesus's time. For me it was easy to dismiss a lot of things I had been taught about Jesus's time because I always said, "The Bible doesn't say that!" But then I got thinking and learned from others' that although the Bible doesn't say it, Jesus did grow up at a different time than us, a different culture. And just as we have laws and rules we must obey for fear we'll end up in jail or worse, so did people from Jesus's time. So most likely, Jesus and his family was subject to those laws just like anyone else would have been. He would have had to go to school and he would have had to gain authority from a human in order to teach openly in the synagogues or else fear being tossed in jail. Ok, just thought I'd share with others' what I read!

We are not assuming anything will fail. You are placing those thoughts there, not us. The child is being abused. Your words to the parents may or may not correct the situation. You are actually partially to blame if you know what is going on do nothing to help, and the abuse continues. You are partially responsible, and you will be held accountable for it. My wife and I sponsor a child in Honduras though the AoG Missions. We'll just write them and tell them that we don't need to send money anymore, because doing so does not allow God to work. If God wants her to have food, or a bed to sleep in, or proper schooling, I'm sure He'll make sure she has it without our help. That will relieve us of that burden every month. I'll talk to the Presbyter in the local district as well, since any money used for missions, etc. is actually hindering God's work. Think of the money we'll save! Thanks!

I never really responded to the original question. I am not sure how people hold contradictory beliefs. But I think we should be consistent as Christians and not simply use the bible for what we are already inclined to oppose and ignore scripture for things we want to do. Most Christians do not have to wrestle with homosexual perversions, however many Christians are divorced because they committed adultery and Christ said point blank, do not do this either divorce or commit adultery. So I would imagine that people who ignore biblical teachings on homosexual pervasions do it the same way that divorced Christians who cheated on their spouse ignore teachings on divorce and adultery. I mean look at the number of preachers on t.v. who are divorced because they committed adultery, they seem to have no problem ignoring this. Both are wrong of course we cannot ignore scripture, but it is amazing how we and I include myself in that big time, ignore scripture when it suites us and push scripture when it is easy and is about someone else. Thank you very much. Thinking along those lines clears up alot for me. Thanks Again! God Bless!

There's nothing wrong with sharing the gospel, but shouldn't the welfare of the child be your main concern? Does every person you share the gospel with fall on their knees in repentance? What makes you so sure the parents of an abused child will? If you are a citizen of this world, your main concern will be for the things of this world. I am not. I am a citizen of the kingdom of GOD, my first concern is for the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. At some point I would call the authorities after all other means had failed. I have faith it would not come to that. I'm having a real problem understand the logic of this statement in contrast to the statement you just made. At one point, you are telling us that we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with things of this world. Then you tell us that you feed the hungry and house the homeless. Are they not things of this world, or are they just more important than the hypothetical child that is being abused by his parents?? I wish I could bring all of what I said into one post so you could get it. Individualas are our concern. Changing social order, is our concern. Using the worlds weapons and government and laws to do it, is not our calling. We are called to spread the gospel and be the instrument of soul saving. We are called to pray for our leaders. That is all the Christian is called to as far as government. We should be involved with the leadership of our country, not for the purpose of using that to subjugate those who do not hold our views. We should do so for the sole purpose of preacdhing the BIBLE to the people and doing the good work that these positions can do. What they can not do is, in any way, mandate moral behavior. Is that clear enough? If you can not follow that, I am sorry. If you just don't get it, I am sorry. If you take a small post out of the context of a whole discussion, you may not understand. I believe it's been pointed out by more than just me how much you contridict yourself Kross. We have all pointed out different statements that you make that continually change and if you truely believe what you say you believe, there should be no contridictions, no changing or swaying on that belief. Please, don't insult my intelligiance, I know a contriction when I see one. Furthermore, I believe it's God's place to tell us where we're called to serve Him. Not man and you don't have any foresight as to where God is going to call us to serve as Christian's whether be in Government or other places.

There's nothing wrong with sharing the gospel, but shouldn't the welfare of the child be your main concern? Does every person you share the gospel with fall on their knees in repentance? What makes you so sure the parents of an abused child will? If you are a citizen of this world, your main concern will be for the things of this world. I am not. I am a citizen of the kingdom of GOD, my first concern is for the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. At some point I would call the authorities after all other means had failed. I have faith it would not come to that. I'm having a real problem understand the logic of this statement in contrast to the statement you just made. At one point, you are telling us that we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with things of this world. Then you tell us that you feed the hungry and house the homeless. Are they not things of this world, or are they just more important than the hypothetical child that is being abused by his parents??

My sister was married to a devout Catholic. Due to his religious teachings he believed that all life and death situations were in the hands of God and were not open to human interpretation. We were worried he was going to let her die. It was hard for him, but he CHOSE to save my sister. No one is arguing that abortion should be allowed for convienience...that is a given. But, not all issues are black and white. Sometimes it does have to do with the mother's health. Sometimes it does involve issues of rape and incest. We all agree with the premise of the OP. But, that makes for a very limited discussion and does not address the entire issue. However, it's your thread so I'll depart. Have a good night. Katy, I know all too well what you are talking about. I myself just 5 years ago lost a set of twins to an early delivery. If they had not been delivered early, I could have very well lost my own life. Except God did intervene and he sent me into labor on my own. It was a decision He made, I didn't have to. And although yes, it is a given, and I do understand there are circumstances that aren't so clear to others', I just wanted to know how it was possible to support both sides, pro-choice and being a Christian. I think the idea of it was a little confusing to me.

Careful, m2m. You may be accused of questioning someone's salvation for that statement. I was. By a mod. (They may even delete this post) I surely don't mean to question anyone's Salvation. Please accept my apology to anyone who may think that. I'm just confused as to how we can have our cake and eat it too and I was hoping to get some good points from this. Not have it turn into a debate as to whether we should or shouldn't get involved in saving lives along with saving souls.

My question if you go back to the OP has nothing to do with an emergency delivery of a baby in a medical situation. It has to do with the elective choice of abortion. Where one decides on her own that the child would be an inconvience, ect.. to her life and she choses abortion over adoption or having the baby and taking care of that baby. Am emergency delivery of a child is not abortion of any kind. It's not taking the life of a child away, by choice. There is a difference.

So, I'm confused. You state that He uses us and you state that you believe in interventions and spreading the Gospel. But, you also stated that we weren't to get involved, we were to pray and let God take care of everything without our involvement, so which is it??

And I'm sure there have been many cases where male heterosexuals have chosen to refrain from molesting young children (both male and female). Is there a point to all this? The point I see in this is it's a CHOICE, not something beyond our control like many would like us to believe.

For God so Loved the World....Jesus defeated Satan on the cross with Love...of course the World is cursed..thanks to darkness...and we know the end of the story..in the mean time...Jesus wants to see us display his love and obediance and faithfulness thru light...this isn't a big game of tag your saved like many want to believe...everybody is tested everyday ...your attitude, behavior, and actions...are they godly or ungodly...Godly loving or satan hateful... Love always protects...you better be concerned about the world...I want my family in a safe, Godly loving environment....and it is not easy because of people like you...if your not striving for that and don't care...then the enemy sneaks in and brings about wickedness and destruction... As a child of God, Jesus is suppose to be within us...we are suppose to be wheat amongs weeds...light amongst darkness...I disagree with you totally...I think Children of Jesus should be striving for positions of authority....whether Government, Corporations, Entertainment, etc. .and proclaiming and living the Love of Jesus...And instill his way into this world...and not just talk it...but live it... Amen!! I posted this in my other thread, but I'll post it here just for the sake of other readers. To not get involved with the evilness and wickedness of this world is a complete disservice to Jesus. Jesus uses us and works through us all the time. What you are asking us to do here Kross is turn a blind eye and ignore the issues that need work, the work God has called many of us to do. We can't just ignore the problems and evilness, throw our hands up and say it's all yours God. There are too many people out there with hardened hearts (part of God's plan). The world that we live in would absolutely crumble. I too want my children to live in a safe, Godly environment and if we sit back and do nothing that will never happen. I'm not well schooled in my Bible verses, but I do know that Jesus is very protective of children. He speaks out about anyone harming them or anyone allowing harm to come to them. I think he's going to be very displeased with the people of the world who are too involved with themselves to worry about helping children. It would seem from your posts that spreading the gospel and praying is equivelent to "doing nothing". I do not agree with you, I think that it is everything, and the only thing. If you feel you can insure a safe future for your family in your own power and with the help of the government, do that. It is not what I would be trusting in, but you are welcome to live as you see fit. I did not say that praying or spreading the Gospel weren't powerful things and I never said they were doing nothing. But I do believe God expects more out of his Servants. But here's a question for you. If you know the child living next door to you is being abused by his parents', are you going to get involved and call the authorities, do what needs to be done to save that child's life or are you going to sit and pray that the authorities show up and save that child's life?? Are you going to pray for the parent's that they have a change of heart. And if your prayer isn't answered and that child dies as a result of abuse, something that you could have stepped in and helped, do you not think you are going to be held accountible for turning a blind eye? God works through us Kross, he doesn't expect us to only pray, he wants prayers and faith and he wants us to stand up for what's right. Jesus did and that's the example I'll take. Actually, I would go and talk with the parents. Share the gospel and pray. Which, by the way, is the example JESUS gave us. Again, I read my Bible and I do not see JESUS turning people over to the authorities. I do not see HIM stopping children from being sacrificed in the temples, I do not see the example you are talking about. Could you give me scriptures? Come on now Kross, am I to believe a Pastor would use my weakness against me to prove I'm wrong?? Because your a Pastor and are well schooled in Bible Verses doesn't mean you are 100% right. And for what it's worth, I'm no fool, Jesus was the Authorities. He wouldn't have had to turn anyone in, he would have stood up and done what was right for the sake of the child's life and you and I and pretty much anyone else who believes in Jesus knows that.

Were you posting this to make yourself feel better about not having any more kids? Because it surely can't be meant to make me feel better. I am not pushing my husband to have more kids and I do not want him to have kids he doesn't want to have. DUH! I titled this post "unanswered prayer", not "how can I make my husband have more kids". The point of my post was to say why is it we could pray for something for years and the matter is never cleared up? I have prayed that he will change his heart and WANT another child. That hasn't happened. I have prayed that God would take away my desire, so that I do not want another child. That hasn't happened, either. I'm pretty sure I don't need someone new to point out the disadvantages of having a child while in the older age bracket. I think she was just sympathizing with you Lily, letting you know you weren't alone. I don't think she meant anything negative by her post to you.

For God so Loved the World....Jesus defeated Satan on the cross with Love...of course the World is cursed..thanks to darkness...and we know the end of the story..in the mean time...Jesus wants to see us display his love and obediance and faithfulness thru light...this isn't a big game of tag your saved like many want to believe...everybody is tested everyday ...your attitude, behavior, and actions...are they godly or ungodly...Godly loving or satan hateful... Love always protects...you better be concerned about the world...I want my family in a safe, Godly loving environment....and it is not easy because of people like you...if your not striving for that and don't care...then the enemy sneaks in and brings about wickedness and destruction... As a child of God, Jesus is suppose to be within us...we are suppose to be wheat amongs weeds...light amongst darkness...I disagree with you totally...I think Children of Jesus should be striving for positions of authority....whether Government, Corporations, Entertainment, etc. .and proclaiming and living the Love of Jesus...And instill his way into this world...and not just talk it...but live it... Amen!! I posted this in my other thread, but I'll post it here just for the sake of other readers. To not get involved with the evilness and wickedness of this world is a complete disservice to Jesus. Jesus uses us and works through us all the time. What you are asking us to do here Kross is turn a blind eye and ignore the issues that need work, the work God has called many of us to do. We can't just ignore the problems and evilness, throw our hands up and say it's all yours God. There are too many people out there with hardened hearts (part of God's plan). The world that we live in would absolutely crumble. I too want my children to live in a safe, Godly environment and if we sit back and do nothing that will never happen. I'm not well schooled in my Bible verses, but I do know that Jesus is very protective of children. He speaks out about anyone harming them or anyone allowing harm to come to them. I think he's going to be very displeased with the people of the world who are too involved with themselves to worry about helping children. It would seem from your posts that spreading the gospel and praying is equivelent to "doing nothing". I do not agree with you, I think that it is everything, and the only thing. If you feel you can insure a safe future for your family in your own power and with the help of the government, do that. It is not what I would be trusting in, but you are welcome to live as you see fit. I did not say that praying or spreading the Gospel weren't powerful things and I never said they were doing nothing. But I do believe God expects more out of his Servants. But here's a question for you. If you know the child living next door to you is being abused by his parents', are you going to get involved and call the authorities, do what needs to be done to save that child's life or are you going to sit and pray that the authorities show up and save that child's life?? Are you going to pray for the parent's that they have a change of heart. And if your prayer isn't answered and that child dies as a result of abuse, something that you could have stepped in and helped, do you not think you are going to be held accountible for turning a blind eye? God works through us Kross, he doesn't expect us to only pray, he wants prayers and faith and he wants us to stand up for what's right. Jesus did and that's the example I'll take.

How very well said!!

Oh no, no, no. Homosexuality is a sin! I said that in my previous post.