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Mizzdy, I have to be legal with this particular passage because if we have the faith of Jesus in us it makes this all the more clearer: John 14 12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. My human faith probably would have had me acting like the disciples when Jesus was arrested. When receiving God's Spirit (supernatural faith is included) they were completely different men. Yes this is true but once we are saved there is more....[/size] We cannot have faith unless we know, believe, something is true, first we come to the acknowledgment He is, we know 'of' Him and all He has done, faith is then imputed to us as a gift to help us grow in that faith. I can have faith 'of' something yet nothing can come of that dead faith it has no life I must be able to act upon it in order for it to be real faith and Messiah says that if we have Him within, the indwelling of the Spirit we can do the works He did and greater. Just having faith 'of' Him does not give us that power to move mountains, does it? Once saved, has nothing to do with this I don't think, faith is on going, as we grow our faith increases and we are able to work/serve towards the goal of the coming kingdom. We grow in the confidence to do the greater works as our faith increases in Him. There are a few scriptures that do declare that because of ones faith He is in you. 2 Cor. 6:16, 2 Cor. 13:5, Eph. 3:17, to name a view. If I might ask why is this verse important in a legal view? Or perhaps I misunderstand what your saying. shalom, Mizz Please bear with me I’m not a very good writer (ADHD some physicians would say) But praise God I have the mind of Christ! The reason I’m writing this is because Onelite posted a topic about the gifts from the Holy Spirit and I personally believe the gift of faith is the most important gift. With that gift you could move mountains. This is what led me to the study on faith. Most of us Christians think that way; I did until this weekend. I believe your statement above is faith that comes from the natural mind, such as, I have faith that I can sit in a chair and it will hold me up, faith that an air plane will take me to my destination, faith my parents would feed me as a child, all this comes from experience and knowledge (the tree, It killed Adam spiritually???). I personally believe this worldly knowledge causes unbelief. What kind of faith would it take if I told you there was a chair that you couldn’t see, would you sit in it? It would take a supernatural faith. A God given faith to believe in the unseen which is the spiritual realm. Borrowed from Joe. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20 (KJV) I read this as Paul living by Jesus’ faith, or God given supernatural faith. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. Galatians 2:20 (NASB 1995) I read this as Paul living by his faith in Jesus This is a big difference in my mind and it changes the meaning of this passage. It’s an exciting revelation to me and all of you probably knew this already. I prayed for two people with cancer (one died) both times satan was in my head telling me “you just started seeking God you don’t have enough faith” and this created doubt. I stopped lying on hands after that. I believe that’s the deception, we think we must have more faith. Romans 12:3 3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. God gave us a measure of supernatural faith from the indwelt Holy Spirit and now it’s a defense against the devil’s lie! Now I have the sword of the Spirit to fight him off with. The word of God has renewed my confidence to get back into the fight. I don’t think it’s an issue with faith; it’s all about unbelief (from worldly knowledge). If I had a mind of a child I could believe in moving mountains, handling serpents, drinking poison, raising the dead, and many other scriptures we tend to glance over. Then there’s the issue of making the spiritual world more real to me than the physical realm. It’s all about getting scripture down into my heart, I think. To believe like Elisha, 2 Kings 6: 15-17 Faith comes by hearing God’s word. I personally believe with all my heart there’s power in the spoken word of God. That's how I was saved. Sorry it became a story. Peace I believe faith is a gift we are given not something we can do on our own, at least not when it pertains to Him. I can have faith that the car next to me is not going to run me off the road yet I do not have any quarentees from that car it won't. The faith that God gives is the faith that is built up over time, our faith allows us to know that He will keep His promises, that He won't 'run us off the road' but built us up. But as I said faith is nothing without action. Your post started off with the 'of' Him faith 'of' Him yet it is faith 'in' Him that builds up, corrects us and gives us the ways to stand up against oppression and fight the good fight and to serve Him daily. What I am saying isn't really much different than what you are saying. Faith comes by us hearing Him after we acknowledge we are in need of Him. And if we truly believe that Yeshua is the true Word of God we know there is power in Him, theres power in God and its the only righteous lasting power and through that indwelling of the Spirit we are empowered also. No need to apologize at all! Sometimes I have a heck of a time figuring out how to explain things to others so no worries! shalom, Mizz

From all that I have read about the governing people of that time, I'm not sure I could ever agree with that.... There has been PC since the dawn of history. Ever hear the phrase of "Don't kill the messinger." That stemmed from this general time peroid. I gotta agree with OO, pc has been around since there was a first dictator, first judge and first king. Theres always going to be a group of someones who uphold the authoritive figure and create a 'correct' way of addressing their issues, bolster that way of doing things. Political entities have been around since Nimrod and having been pushing those agendas ever since. Babylon was not just a city but a system, political which always means a structured money system and all it entails. Josephus was also part of that political machine too I think. shalom, Mizz

Mizzdy, I have to be legal with this particular passage because if we have the faith of Jesus in us it makes this all the more clearer: John 14 12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. My human faith probably would have had me acting like the disciples when Jesus was arrested. When receiving God's Spirit (supernatural faith is included) they were completely different men. Yes this is true but once we are saved there is more....[/size] We cannot have faith unless we know, believe, something is true, first we come to the acknowledgment He is, we know 'of' Him and all He has done, faith is then imputed to us as a gift to help us grow in that faith. I can have faith 'of' something yet nothing can come of that dead faith it has no life I must be able to act upon it in order for it to be real faith and Messiah says that if we have Him within, the indwelling of the Spirit we can do the works He did and greater. Just having faith 'of' Him does not give us that power to move mountains, does it? Once saved, has nothing to do with this I don't think, faith is on going, as we grow our faith increases and we are able to work/serve towards the goal of the coming kingdom. We grow in the confidence to do the greater works as our faith increases in Him. There are a few scriptures that do declare that because of ones faith He is in you. 2 Cor. 6:16, 2 Cor. 13:5, Eph. 3:17, to name a view. If I might ask why is this verse important in a legal view? Or perhaps I misunderstand what your saying. shalom, Mizz

19 For it was through letting the Torah speak for itself that I died to its traditional legalistic misinterpretation, so that I might live in direct relationship with God. 20 When the Messiah was executed on the stake as a criminal, I was too; so that my proud ego no longer lives. But the Messiah lives in me, and the life I now live in my body I live by the same trusting faithfulness that the Son of God had, who loved me and gave himself up for me. 21 I do not reject God's gracious gift; for if the way in which one attains righteousness is through legalism, then the Messiah's death was pointless. Sometimes just going to another translation can clear up some problems. When we accept Him He imparts His Spirit into us so we can fight the good fight so we can with His help walk in His ways. Its the faith in Him not of Him that saves. shalom, Mizz

Because much larger objects than this comet and closer to us - like Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn - do not show to have an affect on us. Have you read the article? (Just wanting to be sure) Yes and since there are so many 'experts' weighing in on it I guess I remain in the middle of the whole thing, just not sure which is correct. I have seen good thinking on both sides not a scientist haven't studied any of it and just kinda think it will play out no matter whose 'right or wrong'. Don't those planets have some sort of affect on the earth?

I am so sorry for your loss. My prayers are with you and your family.

This is one of the first news articles that I saw this morning and I wondered how far you might have been from it! So glad you guys are alright! So grateful no more loss of life than that reported one which was enough to start with. Terrorism knows no bounds, country or peoples. Islam is everywhere and it does want to control all the govts and all that go with it. Keeps us up on the developments.

Luk 11:2 And he said to them, "When you pray, say: "Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Its worship, not a request.... and so on..... 9 You, therefore, pray like this: `Our Father in heaven! May your Name be kept holy. 10 May your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in heaven. 11 Give us the food we need today. 12 Forgive us what we have done wrong, as we too have forgiven those who have wronged us. 13 And do not lead us into hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One. For kingship, power and glory are yours forever. Amen.' 14 For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours. This is from the CJB which I really like. Give us our daily bread is about giving us food, the word bread here is just that a loaf or bread, though I completely understand what your saying! We are asking that His will be done in this world as it is done in the heavens, not gonna happen till He comes back again and sets up His instructions over the earth and His people once again. I'm not a fan of the Message but I suppose as paraphrases go its ok. Even though I really like the CJB I wouldn't just use it as my only source of study and theres way too many who use the Message as their only scriptures.

Well people can use anything they want for 'doomsday' but I have never heard from any good source that would ever happen but that Elenin seems to have been somehow involved with the earthquakes and such things. Even if it is small and at the same distance from us as the sun we know the sun effects us daily here on the earth so why wouldn't this comet? There are good people out there doing solid work which disagrees with the author of this piece but really in the end it all comes down to, wait and see. shalom, Mizz

You are asking me to defend against the condemnation of homosexual marriage by showing that God specifically supports it. That is impossible. There is NO EVIDENCE. However, at the same time, that does not mean that we can condemn homosexual marriage (which is what is required for your position to be held as true). For instance, God says, "be fruitful and multiply." Does this mean that we attack those who are chaste for life for not procreating? Of course not. God did not say that it was wrong not to multiply he just indicated that he approved of people going forth and multiplying. In the same way, God did not say it was wrong to engage in homosexual marriage, he just mentioned heterosexual marriage. It was merely the norm of the day. Context is important... Jesus reiterates the common view of marriage. He does not condemn homosexual marriage... unless I'm mistaken... Shalom It all boils down to like kind, God created each of us unique, male and female, animals are male and female, most things in this world do follow those laws set forth by God. Tomatoes produce tomatoes, same seed produces same seed. Its not just all about procreation but it is all about being with those God designed us to be with, if He had thought that monkeys and rhinos would make a great animal He more than likely would have created an animal from those seeds. So I would say yes Yeshua did condemn any union that is not like kind. By giving us the example of what a marriage should be He cuts off any and all other unions. God never once said well if your not gonna have kids do what you want, He specifically tells us He created man and woman for man and woman. Same sex unions do go against nature. shalom, Mizz

I agree there, if it was indeed God who told him to hold it there then nothing would stop it but man giving into their own fears. It wasn't Beck who wanted to move it the security groups told him they all would be sitting ducks for the rock throwers but yes it was his ultimate decision. I admit to being very curious how its all going to work out.

Often Sparks Will Fly Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 As The Brothers Become One Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:19 PS: Some Of Us Are More Noisy Learners Than Others You See, :24: Please Forgive Us Tis true dear brother that iron sharpens iron, some though it seems, only want to sharpen their talons.

And sometimes even when one tries to do the right things something comes along and rains all over it. We never have spent over our income, bought our house with funds we saved and made sure my husbands income could pay for everything that goes out each month. Started a nice savings plan and viola someone comes along and steals your identity, steals all the money and credit in your own personal name and buisness stuff. Recovering from that even in our 40-50's as the housing market crashes and the ecomonic out look is more than a bit iffy. When you live on what is brought in to pay bills food and etc. theres no money left to invest. We rely firmly on Gods grace and guideance each and everyday when it comes to work and money and I don't have any fears or worries where the money is going to come from to make the mortgage. Now if someone wants to give me say 20 or 30 grand I will invest it wisely. shalom, Mizz

I think the Casey case is just one in a long line of others thats been tried in the American public. I think cameras should be left out of the court room. Tape them for the jury to go back over or for any number of legal reasons but keep the public cameras out of them is my opinion. It doesn't just stop at what the jury hears for those watching on their tv screens but what they hear commentators say, what our friends say we do act as members of the jury sometimes. We have reality tv, court room tv, the list is endless its coming out of our wazoos! My husband has always joked that the tv was the false prophet and sometimes I think hes right. I still like my sci fi though. shalom, Mizz

Amen! Listening and obeying His will is often times so hard when we put ourselves into the middle of it!!! What a great day you had and better yet what an awesome day that boy had! I bet he tells everyone around him all about that knife and what you taught him. And who says God doesn't work in mysterious ways unknown to us. What a wonderous God we serve! shalom, Mizz

I gain and loose the same 10 lbs every month or so, its all apart of the autoimmunes I have but if I could just..... And on top of being about 20 or so over weight to start with! yuck! I hate it when I pull out a skirt that fit just a few days before and its too tight! I am thinking mumus are the way to go!! shalom, Mizz

I don't think it was 'christianity' anyone thought they were killing when they put Yeshua on that executioners stake. The political parties thought they were going to get rid of yet another rebellion. Sad that no one can see Gods light shining in those they persecute and kill. And frankly I don't see non-christian gov. most every single govt. out there never claims to be christian even and no one seems to be running scared but getting on the bandwagon to run out those who stand on the truth of His Word. Islam is the new pet on the block the new 'religion' everyone must be tolerant of or else. The biggest mistake made by putting our Savior on that cross was done by that old advesary who thought he was going to kill off the Messiah, little did he know he was doing Gods will!!!! I completely agree with you that the word of God has been shared around the world and people are coming to Him all over!! Praise His Name! I just think think its more of the same the advesary is raising up more and more hate filled people, people who hear his words instead of Gods and he is creating the seasons and times for all who call upon His name to be persecuted and killed. We must pray for all those who are in his sites right now and for all those who are being persecuted for His holy and righteous name.

Oh yeah! You mean Methuselah's Grill? Could be...... Thats a good one!!

Thanks Mizz for your input. It is implied By many statements in chapter 7 that these four kingdoms are in existence at the time of the end. And mystery Babylon cannot be America...unless America is symbolized by a Golden Chalice, which the whore holds. There's only one organization on earth at this time that is symbolized by a golden chalice. None the same, I accept your understanding on this issue, and will leave it at that.... Best in Christ, AM See thats the thing, implied. I can imply that America 'is' Babylon but really dispite a lot of scriptures that lead me to think that I cannot say it is the correct way and neither can anyone else. Prophecy is best seen after its fulfilled. I do think that we are going to start to see the formation of things sooner rather than later. My thinking has always been that God declared all things from the beginning, laid it all out in the foundation of scripture, gave insights to His prophets and everything is centered on the land of Israel. Almost every prophecy thats written is about Israel, the land, Israel's ancient enemies and the reinventing of the advesary throughout the various worlds powers or beasts. I do not see a 'revived roman empire'. I like discussing prophecy but never take what I say or anyone else says as truth, we best not take ourselves too seriously its usually the best approach. shalom, Mizz

Gen. 48:19 says that Ephraim will become the fullness of nations, melo hagoyim, doesn't this mean fullness of gentiles? I read it to mean that Ephraim was to become the gentile nations, Ephraim as you know became to be known as Israel they were cut off by God and became scattered into the midst of the nations. As this unbelieving Israel expanded and populated it took with it the pagan idols it also took with it knowledge of the one true God. When Yeshua came and shed His blood that opened up the whole world to the truth of God, the Truth came into being and now all who call upon His name are His. 'Ephraim is not the whole 'gentile nation' as you think I am suggesting just as the Jews are not the entire tribes of Israel. These people were scattered none of them know who they are and God doesn't really care about genetic identity He cares about those who care about Him, those who will come to Him in faith. Yet the scriptures lay out the redemption of mankind, the restoration of Israel at His coming, not a bunch of genetic people but those who know Him. They weren't although God did not divorce them because of their idolatry and scatter them nameless into the nations either. God put Judah into judgment and cast them out of the land for a time, we do read they are to return in unbelief at one point or another, correct? But Ephraim was not prophecied to come back until He gathers His own at the end of the age. Where we differ so much is that I do not think that all of the northern kingdom came back after captivity but remained in their pagan ways and was absorbed into those places. Judah has always had an identity in the world, they are the ones God commissioned to keep His Torah alive in the world, can't remember exactly where that scripture is off the top of my head, sorry. I understand who was at Passover that year when the Spirit was poured out and I understand where they all living. There were also those I suspect of other tribes that were obedient to the commands to come to Jerusalem three times a year. You and I disagree with one another, but oh brother its always the same 'your two house theology' it seems each time I make a post that you disagree with you label me 'two house' and I am really tired of it so please lets forgo the labels please. I see God saying that He will reunite Judah and Israel once again they will be one nation to Him it doesn't say 'I am only going to let in those who have dna ties to this person or that person' all who come to Him in the faith of Abraham is included into Israel, Israel are all the faithful repentant believers. One day God will bring Jews and 'Israel, those who have faith' together back to Him and no more will we as a body be broken again. You can disagree all you want with me but I see that the new covenant is made with Israel and in that covenant all who call on His name is His, all who confess His name is His, all who have been washed in His blood is His. We receive a changed heart, a changed body the day He returns but until that day we are still human being perfected each day we submit to Him. I did mention that we are the seed of Abraham through the Messiah "And we now that if we are in Yeshua we are also Abrahams seed, right" By the shedding of His blood we are put into the family of Abraham, how else can we read that? We are put there because Abraham believed before God did a thing for him, God said Abram get up and go and he did. Later Abraham was brought into the blood covenant. Abrahams seeds, descendants were the ones from whom the Messiah was born, if we are adopted into that family. I can't understand why it is that we can be adopted, no longer strangers from the commonwealth of Israel how we are not Israel? There are no covenantal anything with gentiles as far as I can discern so if we are in 'covenant' with Him per Hebrew and Jeremiah in the 'new covenant', what is our name? What name would God put over all of us as a body? And although I believe we are all Israel I also believe that we will have a new name when He returns. I understand that the covenants build upon themselves, and I agree that the new covenant to come is much like Abrahams I have thought that for sometime now. I just don't see them as all 'spiritual' I see the fulfillment of the new covenant as being changed, given by new heart, so is that the 'spiritual' you are talking about? But if we look at where all blessings and curses come from they are all wrapped up in the covenants. Didn't Yeshua come to take away that curse of death that is the result of sin for all those who have faith in Him? If we partake in that blessing don't we reap others as well and if so then doesn't that make us included physically in those covenants? Shiloh could you please quit using words like absurd, and other words like that, it kinda looks like your telling me how stupid I am for not thinking your way. You may think what I am saying is absurd, some might perceive that are rude and arrogant. Please remember there are many out there reading who do get turned off by the 'I'm right thats wrong' posts. shalom, Mizz

Eccl. 12 tells us 'Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all.' We read in more than one or two places that pleasing God is being obedient to His Torah. Doesn't God tell us that if we love Him 'keep His commandments'. Torah means instructions, they are His instructions to us on how to live a life that is right in His eyes, in the Torah we find out how to love Him, how to get along with our brethren, and those outside of His body. By throwing out His commandments we are throwing out those very instructions which He says are the way to please Him. So many see that Torah fulfilled in Him yet by doing that we have lost the instruction manual on how to have a right relationship with Him. Love is at the core of it all, we can keep Torah in the letter of the law or we can keep it by the Spirit and allow Him to teach us His ways, without the Spirit without the love we cannot do a thing right in His eyes. And I beg to differ I 'see' Him everyday in all kinds of ways! Not just in His very creation but in the things He puts in my path to teach me, in the love I see in those who know Him, there are so many ways to see Him everyday! shalom, Mizz

I love Psa. 119, doing a word study on it the word,law is a lamp to my feet and a light to my cycle, path-cycle makes soo much sense since everything in scriptures are based on cycles. I wonderd why David put cycles there till I thought about my life and each day is basically the same yet on any given day I 'see' something on that 'path' that clarifies something so I now can see what David meant! Sorry thats completely off topic but when I saw your posts it reminded me what I had learned so long ago that has helped me in so many ways! sorry again!! shalom, Mizz

The prophecised time of the gentiles spoken of in Romans is the promise birthright of Ephraim in Genesis 48:19, the mulititudes spoken of there can be seen to mean fulness. We read where Israel/Ephraim were cut off in unbelief, given a certificate of divorce and cast into the nations for idolatry. I see these guys as the natural branch that was broken off and when they come to their senses, come back to Him in full trust/faith and teshuvah, they along with the millions of 'companions' or gentiles will be grafted back into that tree and will be called Israel. More often than not there are dual fulfillments to prophecy. Israel is called Gods first born He went and took that son out of Egypt also. I don't see what you mean but Yeshua fulfilled were the law of Moses could not, (its Gods law not Moses even if we summarize it in the scriptures that way). The law was never meant for salvation, ever! it was not intended to be a subsitute for Him, its intention was to show the Israelites their need for order, for a God in their lives, for a Savior, for walking in a pleasing manner before God, to learn to live correctly with those in the body as well as those outside of it. But never for salvation. The promises to Abram came long before God cut that covenant with Him, the promises made to Abraham was that he would be the father of many nations, that God would be his shield, that through his seed all will be heirs to the promise. And we now that if we are in Yeshua we are also Abrahams seed, right? Abraham's descendants are promised to be more numerous than the stars or sands in the sea. By being grafted into the body/tree of Israel we also will be part of the physical promises to Abrahams descendants. Gal. 3:16 is speaking about the faith of Abraham that it was his faith that sealed the covenant in the first place, God spoke Abraham did without question if we really examine it Abraham was the first person who entered into that promise covenant where the heart is circumcised and the commandments written on his heart. I do not believe they are 'spiritual' promises nor 'spiritual fulfillments' but physical ones. Forgive me but it seems as if your jumping around with the physical, spiritual and I am having a hard time following which it is you think Abrahams seed and covenant is with. The promise of Abrahams covenant is physical, faith is not 'spiritual' nor is the idea of being his descendant. No doubt we are all in this together all must confess His name, puth their full trust/faith in Him. We are either included physically or not at all. I see Romans a bit differently than you do I guess. If the gentiles are grafted into the tree of Israel they are Israel, if you adopt a child does that child remain someone elses child? does that child still get to follow the rules from before? Grafted in means you are now a full fledge member into whatever one is adopted into, an adopted child does not reap the benefits of any agreements unless that child is a full participent in said agreement. If we are grafted in, we are active members and reap the blessing and curses of that family we are adopted into especially if we have agreed with the head of that covenant. Grafted into Israel means that is what God calls you, Israel, not gentiles who are 'spiritually Israel and enjoys the spiritual benefits' but full members who abide by the house rules. No God is not in the business of giving unrepentant people rewards period. National Israel was cut off, the northern kingdom was scattered into the nations of the world, cut off from the blessings of God but if they come back in with full teshuvah He welcomes them with open arms just as He does when a gentile forgoes idolatry and sin and gives their hearts and lives to Him. Hebrews is not about getting rid of one people and setting up another. Gentiles have always been welcomed in His family and those who refuse to live by His rules are cut off from Him at the day of His return. Hebrews, Romans, etc. are all holding up Abraham showing us that it is by faith alone, faith came first before any covenant and that is who YHWH wants from us to come to Him in full trust so He can refine us and create in us the people that we are meant to be. God kept unfaithful people in His family until the temple fell in 70 AD, His patience is so overwhelming but by this we know there is a point He must cut off even those He loves but will not be obedient to His instructions, to Him. Hosea is all about Israel, how God had a bride who became unfaithful, how He judges them and cut them off and withdrew His love for them and the relationship sunk to nothing. God gives them up to their idolatry but as we see in Hosea He buys them back with the blood of Yeshua. I still don't understand what you mean by the 'law needed fulfillment'. The Torah, law, commmandments are not a covenant. Yeshua was the blood that would redeem mankind back to God undo what Adam did, that blood made way for God to call back His wayward bride. As you can read in Hosea its all about Ephraim/Israel and not a body of gentiles and those that come along with them these are the genitles, Israel and Judahs companions. After all when we read about who Yeshua Himself said He came for is the lost sheep of Israel and opened the way for gentiles to recieve Him through faith. No not 'making Israel spiritual' at all, I see them as physical beings and I am grafted into that tree called Israel. There is not two different salvation avenues, not one for 'national' Israel and one for the gentiles. There is no covenant with gentiles only with Israel and Judah and their companions. Israel spoken of here are those of the northern kingdom who are cut off for idolatry, Israel spoken here is Israel in unbelief, there are natural branches still left on that tree called Israel otherwise there wouldn't be a tree called Israel for gentiles to be grafted into. In verse 26 of chpt 11 of Romans shows that Yeshua would come from Zion, turn ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take their away their sins'. Does this mean Jacob is the only one to have their sins taken away? If we claim the new covenant that we are under it who are you from, Israel or Judah or one of the companions? And the this covenant is not in full effect now anyhow. Romans is showing that even after God cut off His own from the tree that if they teshuvah and confess the name of Yeshua they are grafted back in just as we are grafted into believing Israel's tree. Remember also that not all those who crossed the Jordan were not all of Israel by birth either, Caleb was a descendant of Esua I believe. Its was a mixed multitude to begin with and its a mixed multitude who will be on their knees when He comes again too. Yes just as unbelieveing idol worshipping Ephraim/Israel was cut off for idolatry so will the unnatural gentile branches, God is pretty specific when He says 'Do these things and I will be your God but fail to do these things and I will cut you off' paraphrased of course. So we are being told that if we as gentiles grafted into Israels tree do not do the things God tells us to do He will cut us off and say to us 'I never knew you'. Israel, Judah, gentiles all who come to Him will remain in that tree unless they continue in their sins and refuse to do His will, thats what Romans is saying. If we believe in the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob doesn't that make us part of them? If He only identifies Himself with one nation are we not Israel? are we not also part of that covenant? You already said that gentiles are not separate so how do you fit gentiles in? Yes Israel has been blinded 'in part', gentiles were pagans who were blinded period until the Spirit feels the stirring in their hearts and guides them to His word. Frankly and yes I will go out on a limb here, lol tree limb! lol and say that I see Judah/Jews are blinded to Yeshua and the 'church' is blinded to the Torah and those two will come together right before He comes again or at least the start of the restoration will have happened. The gentiles coming into the covenant is what is supposed to provoke Israel and Judah into jealousy and hopefully back into their tree. We are Gods through the blood of His Son, we are Gods through the promises containted in the covenant, if we are not in covenant with Him we are outside of His body. Sorry it took a few days to get back to you but we had the worst infiltration of ants ever! their like little nazis never stopping or giving in!!! We discovered one trail going up the side of our house that was over 2 inches wide!! Anyhow don't worry about getting back to me I probably won't get back here till next Monday at the earliest. shalom, Mizz

The references in Dan. 7 are not America, no matter how hard people want to see America in prophecy and undoubtably all countries are included in scriptures whether speaking of nations or what have you all are included in His end of days. But Dan. 7:4 is not about America its about Nebuchanezzar. The whole 'like a lion and had eagles wings' does not mean it is refering to America and no matter how we twist the text it will never be America. And how to you get America from this, 'As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives prolonged for a season and time'? In the spirit of Babylon we can see all conquering nations who have held sway, controlled or conquered His people, Amercia included and I do lean towards America being mystery Babylon, not saying it is or not but thats my thinking. shalom, Mizz

No they aren't. You don't exegete anything. You simply list a string of verses and tell us what you think they mean and then when challgened, you cannot prove they mean what you allege. You simply copy and paste the same responses over and over like a parrot. Saying the same thing over and over is not good enough. Others are seeking clarification and want to discuss specific points. You could focus in on specific passages and how you arrive at your conclusions about them instead of copying and pasting massive posts that most people don't have the time to sit and read. We don't need an online novel. We simply need for you to reduce your posts to something that can be discussed. No one is impressed with your long posts your copy/paste skills. I agree with Shiloh here, when people post such long and long winded posts which really show nothing concrete, no real discussion, people will tend to ignore them. Take a few points, a few scriptures and engage people with those, the approach you take is that your position is the only right position that alone will cut off most all dialogue. shalom, Miss