nebula Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks for the links! But what I am not understanding is lambs having horns. I'm thinking lambs = juveniles . . . horns being something adults would have, not the young??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted February 22, 2009 There is one place that "might" be America, imo... Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. This is a personification of a religious entity, not a nation. Nero in the same passage is the personification of Rome. Also, the term earth can also be translated 'land' as in land of Israel. Rev 13 is speaking of Nero and the unbelieving religious authorities. The horns on the lamb signify authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 As I Read It We Are Mentioned Many Places In The Bible Here Are Just As Few "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." Revelation 18:3 "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18:23 "For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city." Zechariah 4:2 "And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts." Malachi 3:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks for the links! But what I am not understanding is lambs having horns. I'm thinking lambs = juveniles . . . horns being something adults would have, not the young??? I am not sure, but it seems that the word "sheep" is used in plural reference to the breed or flock, while "lamb" is the singular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2009 There is one place that "might" be America, imo... Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. This is a personification of a religious entity, not a nation. Nero in the same passage is the personification of Rome. Also, the term earth can also be translated 'land' as in land of Israel. Rev 13 is speaking of Nero and the unbelieving religious authorities. The horns on the lamb signify authority. 1st beast = nation 2nd beast = leader of nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks for the links! But what I am not understanding is lambs having horns. I'm thinking lambs = juveniles . . . horns being something adults would have, not the young??? You guys know better than me. But here is what came to mind after I saw your post Nebula... Doesn't one of the endtimes books mention that in the last days the rulers will be children? I see this as a metaphor for what is see in that verse. Though the rulers are mentally (like children) they are actually (physically) adults. Perhaps why that juvenile lamb has horns? Just a guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blien Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 346 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,050 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/26/1982 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Found it... Isaiah 3:4-7 4 I will make boys their officials; mere children will govern them. 5 People will oppress each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2009 Found it... Isaiah 3:4-7 4 I will make boys their officials; mere children will govern them. 5 People will oppress each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I see the lamb as a kosher sacrificial symbol of the Messiah and a beast is ALWAYS the symbol of a nation. A person can also represent that beast...but the beast is the nation. This verse is clearly speaking about a nation that works in concert with the beast "who was slain" So, imo, this verse is saying that a nation who outwardly appears to be christian, yet speaks like the dragon, will arise and have the capability of enforcing the will of some other "beast" (nation). The USA enforcing the UN? the EU? Babylon (Iraq)? Its just another in a long list of different scenarios but the only (possibly) direct reference to America, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt Posted February 22, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 258 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2009 We've been over all this "dragon" and Revelation Babylon before on another thread, and it isn't Rome, nor the USA... The Revelation Babylon harlot is a 'city', and it's endtime Jerusalem, for that's where the beast that ascends up out of the bottomless pit in the last days to kill God's "two witnesses" who will testify in Jerusalem. Rev 17:18 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (KJV) Rev 11:7-8 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (KJV) Lot of speculation out there put forth by false prophets, but this is really easy to grasp if one stays with what is written there in God's Word, instead of listening to the doctrines of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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