pokemaughan Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 630 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1990 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 To me, alcohol is an example of Satan taking something good that God made and making something evil out of it. I've never seen alcohol do anything but destroy. I got lipstick off wallpaper one time with it... Hush, you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2009 To me, alcohol is an example of Satan taking something good that God made and making something evil out of it. I've never seen alcohol do anything but destroy. I got lipstick off wallpaper one time with it... Hush, you. the next time you have lipstick on your wallpaper - you'll know what to do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 sorry servant, but your theology is seriously flawed. especially given God's clear permission to the jews to buy wine or even strong drink when celebrating the tithe feast in honour of the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John. 14He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. 31"To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? 32They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: " 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.' 33For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' 35But wisdom is proved right by all her children." Jesus drank wine. Jesus cannot sin. However I do not advocate drinking wine, it is however not a sin, being drunk IS a sin and a dangerous one with numerous warnings in the bible. We must not go beyond scripture. Some people indeed many people cannot handle any beer or wine because they cannot control themselves and fall into drunkenness, however many others can drink a glass of wine with dinner and be just fine. I just think we need to stick with scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I just think we need to stick with scripture. yes. and the whole of Scripture--not verses picked out here and there. Yes indeed. I would encourage people who have questions about wine or alcoholic beverages and scripture to simply look at biblegateway.com and search on wine; you get a broad cross section of scripture from the Old through to the New Testament. What you find is that most of the passages recognize the use of wine throughout scripture, however most also include strong warnings against drunkenness and the abuse of wine. Some indeed tell some people in some situations never to drink any wine. For example John the Baptist had a calling to never drink any wine. There were certain times priests in the Old Testament should not drink any wine etc. I think you can get a pretty balanced answer using all of scripture in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemaughan Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 630 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1990 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 Yes, concerning any doctrine, the entire context needs to be used- or else we'd have some odd perceptions, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted May 11, 2009 To me, alcohol is an example of Satan taking something good that God made and making something evil out of it. I've never seen alcohol do anything but destroy. I got lipstick off wallpaper one time with it... Of course I mean drinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillsong_girl Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 139 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2009 I personally do not oppose an occasional drink, but I know I need to use wise judgment in when and how much I drink. That's all I can really say for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2009 Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John. 14He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. 31"To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? 32They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: " 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.' 33For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' 35But wisdom is proved right by all her children." Jesus drank wine. Jesus cannot sin. However I do not advocate drinking wine, it is however not a sin, being drunk IS a sin and a dangerous one with numerous warnings in the bible. We must not go beyond scripture. Some people indeed many people cannot handle any beer or wine because they cannot control themselves and fall into drunkenness, however many others can drink a glass of wine with dinner and be just fine. I just think we need to stick with scripture. Sticking with scripture is fine...but we need to understand it too. There is NO solid evidence that Jesus consumed alcoholic beverages and to use that to frame an opinion of whether we should or not isn't really wise, IMO. If a person feels okay with drinking alcoholic beverages they should not need to try and prove that Jesus did it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemaughan Posted May 11, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 630 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1990 Author Share Posted May 11, 2009 Sticking with scripture is fine...but we need to understand it too. There is NO solid evidence that Jesus consumed alcoholic beverages and to use that to frame an opinion of whether we should or not isn't really wise, IMO. If a person feels okay with drinking alcoholic beverages they should not need to try and prove that Jesus did it too. Mhmm. 'Well Jesus did it' is a poor excuse for anything related to the justification of one's own habits or actions, in my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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