Belief is Forgiveness is Redemption is Salvation,

[Guest gregorE]

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Christian faith is in their salvation by their redemption, and redemption

is the forgiveness of their sins, and without sin there is life eternal,

and ones redemption is only by ones belief in Christ as the Messiah, the

Son of God, the only begotten of God, and being the one, only way to life

eternal. Hence, belief is forgiveness is redemption is salvation.

But, to say redemption is only by belief in Christ does NOT say by

redemption only is one saved, and Christ did not say that by belief

only one is saved, but Christ did say by belief one is saved. Christ

did not promise salvation to those who believe only, but to they who

believe and join and serve his law.

St.Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, (I did

believe in you), shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they that

doeth the will (is lawful/righteous) of my father, which is in heaven"

St.Matthew 7:23 "And then I will profess unto them, I never knew

you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity (are unlawful)"

Christ did not only ask we believe him to be the Messiah, but also to

keep his law and cross, and belief in Christ is whole belief in all he

said and asked. To not believe in Christ's law is to not believe in

Christ, for Jesus was the Christ only by that law.

Jesus accepted crucifiction to issue God's law, and if he would not

accept crucifiction, that law would not have been issued, and Jesus

would not have been the Christ, but would have kept his own life on

earth.

If Jesus did not accept to issue the law and take crucifiction, he

would have disobeyed God, and he would then know death, but he would

have kept his own earthly, bodily life, and which also ends in death.

As all who know earthly life will know bodily death, the death which

Christ refers to can only be the death of ones spirit, and so Christs

issue of law would only save life from spiritual death, but as Christs

law condemns earthly life, joining his law forsakes earthly life.

St.Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save their life shall lose

it, and whosoever shall lose their life shall preserve it"

St.John 12:25 "They that loveth (keepeth) their life (on earth) shall

lose it, and they that hateth (denies) their life in this world shall

keep it unto life eternal"

St.Luke 14:33 "...whosoever they be of you that forsaketh not all

that they hath, they cannot be my disciple (follower)"

Christ was killed by the Jews because of the law he issued, for that law

condemns all whom live their own lives on earth, and all material values,

and it drives one into enslavement, and into the desire for bodily

death/union with God in Heaven.

(PassOver comes a few days before Christian Easter NOT by chance,but to

coincide with the ministry of Christ and the christ mystic!)

(Christ cannot say that if he did not accept crucifiction he would then

have done his own will, for to avoid his own bodily death, that when

accepting crucifiction he was only doing God's, and not his own will,

soto avoid his own spiritual death. Either way Jesus/Christ was going to

die, but by serving God's will he would know eternal spiritual life.)

Is spiritual death a greater or lesser suffering and loss than bodily

death/crucifiction?

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Now it is, Christ claims authority only as he serves God's will and

as he perfectly serves God's will, for that he does not his own will,

but only God's, and God's will is God's law. It is by God's will and law

that Christ claims authority, and it is his perfect service to God's

will and law by which he claims the appointment to issue God's will and

law, forgive sins, heal some who were sick, accept his own crucifiction,

and claim his own resurrection.

To claim Christ's crucifiction is his payment of the debts of those sins

of they who believe in him, sothen their salvation, is to say one must

believe in Christ AND his law to gain salvation. The crucifiction is only

possible by the law, and without that law ones redemption by forgiveness

of sins would not be possible. If one claims belief in Christ, but does

not then also believe in and join and serve his law, one cannot claim

they believe in Christ, for what christ is is only by that law. Without

the law, Jesus would not be the Christ, and there would be no redemption,

no crucifiction, no resurrection, and one could not ask salvation.

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Now it is, Christ held the authority/power to forgive sins before he

knew crucifiction, and Christ does offer that power to others, and did

endow the disciples such power, and in all these it is by belief and

lawfulness and sacrifice such power is obtained. Jesus became the Christ

by belief and law and sacrifice, and others may gain and partake that

same power by belief and law and sacrifice, so the claims of christians

it is by the crucifiction only that ones sins are forgiven, and by belief

only are they redeemed, appear false.

Justice needs one cannot take the benefits of the law and not thereafter

support the law, but if one afterwards rejects the law, they must then

forsake it's benefits. Otherwise, they take only their own salvation as

a theft and a betrayal. One cannot serve two opposite masters, and if one

wants those benefits of the law (eternal life), they must agree with and

join and serve that law.

~ ~ ~

Christ did not promise salvation for they who believe only, but for they

who believe and join and serve his law.

St.Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, (I did

believe in you), shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they that

doeth the will (is lawful/righteous) of my father..."

If one claims they are saved by Jesus when they only believe in him,

and need not serve his law, yet belief in Him IS belief in his

commandments, and his commandments is the law, and the law is the

resurrection, then their claim to believe in Jesus is false, and their

claim for salvation is as a theft.

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If one offers to others this same one, easy means of belief only,

and by ones claim to love those others, so that all can be saved,

but say if there be the duty to the law then some, and many, and perhaps

most, or perhaps all, will perish, one then both rejects the law and

employs/uses the law. Can one serve two opposite masters?

One cannot first reject the law and not then have nothing remaining of

the law to employ/use. Ones taking of the benefits of the law is only

their selfishness, and their afterwards rejection of their duty to that

law is only selfishess, and neither have love for others/law in them.

If one offers that salvation to others, they do so joining and serving

the law/love for others, but to then claim that law is not needed is an

hypocrisy. If one would offer the salvation of that law to others, they

must take-up and serve that law, even as Christ did, and as Christ

commands his followers to do.

St.John 14:12 "...They that believeth on me, the works that I do shall

they do also..."

St.Luke 9:23 "...if any person will come after me (follow me),

let them deny themself and take up their cross daily..."

St Matthew 10:38 "And they that taketh not their cross, and follow

after me, is not worthy of me"

St.Luke 14:33 "...whosoever they be of you that forsaketh not all

that they hath, they cannot be my disciple"

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The message for Christ's law is, generally:

St.Matthew 6:33 "but seek ye first the kingdom of God, and God's

righteousness (lawfulness)..."

St.John 14:12 "...They that believeth on me, the works that I do shall

they do also..."

St.John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments"

St Matthew 22:39 "...You shall love your neighbour as yourself"

St.Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is

in Heaven is perfect"

St.Matthew 19:21 "...if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell (all) that

thou hast, and give to the poor, ....and follow me"

St.Luke 14:33 "...whosoever they be of you that forsaketh not all

that they hath, they cannot be my disciple (follower)"

St.Luke 17:33 "Whosoever shall seek to save their life shall lose

it, and whosoever shall lose their life shall preserve it"

St.John 12:25 "They that loveth (keepeth) their life (on earth) shall

lose it, and they that hateth (denies) their life in this world shall

keep it unto life eternal"

St.Luke 9:23 "...if any person will come after me (follow me),

let them deny themself and take up their cross daily..."

St.Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, (I did

believe in you), shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but they that

doeth the will (is lawful/righteous) of my father, which is in heaven"

St.Matthew 5:20 "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness

(lawfulness) shall exceed the righteousness (lawfulness) of the

scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom

of heaven"

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Edited July 6, 2004 by gregorE

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