OneLight Posted July 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2009 Onelight's Short and sweet ... yes, sex out of wedlock is sin. When a church discusses this, they have to discuss it within the context, history. I disagree. The first, the second or both? When you answer, please give your reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2009 Concubine H6370 פילגש piylegesh resource: The Complete Word Study Dictionary A concubine was a legitimate wife; however, she was of secondary rank. This is evident by the references to teh concubine as having a husband (Judges 19:2). Concubines were presented opposite the wives of higher rank. The ability to have and to keep a concubine was a sign of wealth, status and royalty. H3904 ×œ×—× ×” lÄ•chenah (Aramaic) resource: The Complete Word Study Dictionary Refers to secondary wives, a feature of royal, ancient Near-Eastern culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted July 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,273 Content Per Day: 4.85 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted July 30, 2009 You disagree that sex out of wedlock is a sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted July 30, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 30, 2009 A quick note: King David had a problem with lust. he had many wives - concubine - Yet there is no indication that God ever approved. In fact, it was his lust that eventually led to his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
precepts Posted July 31, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 129 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 48 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/10/1968 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hunter's It was not considered " unmarital sex", the term concubine and wife are used interchangeably. In those ancient times, before the law, multiple wives were permitted, if you could afford them,i.e., support them. Concubines were not prostitutes. Precept's Before what law? Verses please. Why do you think they're used interchangeably if they mean the same, why would the interpretors use two different words to define the same situation? Hunter's What law............the 10 commandments and most of the book of Leviticus...I'm sure you are familiar with these.I'm familiar with those, yes, but not the one you're referring to that abolished multiple wives. Verses please. Hunter's Concubine and wife are used interchangeably because the second, third, fourth and so on wives did not have inheritance rights nor did any of the children from these marriages. Only the first wife and children received inheritance. But these marriages were all legal at the time and there was legal paperwork, so any physical union was not outside of the marriage. You can verify this information in most of the many commentaries written by biblical scholars. Show me the evidence and stop with the run around. Onelight's The first, the second or both? When you answer, please give your reasons. The first, the second or both what, wives? Onelight's Concubine H6370 פילגש piylegesh resource: The Complete Word Study Dictionary A concubine was a legitimate wife; however, she was of secondary rank. This is evident by the references to teh concubine as having a husband (Judges 19:2). Concubines were presented opposite the wives of higher rank. The ability to have and to keep a concubine was a sign of wealth, status and royalty. H3904 ×œ×—× ×” lÄ•chenah (Aramaic) resource: The Complete Word Study Dictionary Refers to secondary wives, a feature of royal, ancient Near-Eastern culture. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfBitn Posted July 31, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 483 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2009 I dont mean to speak for OneLight, but i believe OneLight is showing that concubines were legitimate wives, they just held a secondary rank to the primary wives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2009 Yes, Wolf, I was. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2009 Onelight's The first, the second or both? When you answer, please give your reasons. The first, the second or both what, wives? Allow me to present it all to you. I made two statements, you said you disagreed, then I ask what you disagreed to. It really is not confusing ... Onelight's Short and sweet ... yes, sex out of wedlock is sin. When a church discusses this, they have to discuss it within the context, history. I disagree. The first, the second or both? When you answer, please give your reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted July 31, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2009 Out of curiosity, precepts, do you believe that a man could have more then one wife? If so, where do you get this teaching from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Is unmarital sex really a sin? Matthew 5 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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