nebula Posted November 19, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I believe he's an idealogue; yes, his heart is American Why do you believe his heart is American? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I don't think it's trivial at all. This President seems to go too far out of his way to show the world's leaders that he's continuously sorry for anything we might have done, real or imagined, to them in the past decade or so. While he might think he's doing the right thing, he's doing nothing but baring this country's throat for all to take a bite at will. If we have only learned one thing over the past decade, we should have learned that others will take advantage of our weaknesses. t. So this 'bow' exposes our country to danger??? I'm sorry, I don't get it. Because of the weakness that is perceived by the other nations. When you bow and the other person doesn't, that is saying something especially in the Arab world. It is perceived as a an of submission. When Obama is operating as Head of State, it is as if we are all there. He is standing for us. When he bows, we all bow, as the article stated. That bow was very, very important to a culture that is all about image and appearance. Symbolic gestures like that are not taken lightly. It is something that we dont' have a point of reference for in our culture. For that reason it appears unimportant to us. But over there, in Saudi land, it is very, very important and they will hold you to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki1 Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,260 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 55 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 Obama's an American?!? There's a slight difference in an American being President and someone being an American President now, obviously. Absolutely ! Blessings, Nikki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 I believe he's an idealogue; yes, his heart is American Why do you believe his heart is American? Why would I not? I reserve judgment until I see him doing something I consider unamerican. He has different beliefs than I, his ideology is far to the left of mine but....he's still an American regardless of some dumb bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Someone posted an article not too long ago - can't find it, though - but the writer made an interesting case for how and why Obama is "not one of us." But considering how and where Obama was raised, it's hard to imagine where he could have gained a love and pride for America. I'm being serious. Can you give me something other than "give him a chance" that would give me reason to believe he truly is "one of us"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 I think for those who dislike him and his policies - it would be a nearly impossible task to give them a reason to validate him... I don't know that it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 Someone posted an article not too long ago - can't find it, though - but the writer made an interesting case for how and why Obama is "not one of us." But considering how and where Obama was raised, it's hard to imagine where he could have gained a love and pride for America. I'm being serious. Can you give me something other than "give him a chance" that would give me reason to believe he truly is "one of us"? Whom are you addressing, neb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 I think for those who dislike him and his policies - it would be a nearly impossible task to give them a reason to validate him... I don't know that it can be done. I agree...think of our last President. He was vilified for being a 'cowboy' and acting unilaterally and then vilified for being a globalist who didn't do enough in the Middle East. Presidents can't win; regardless of the letter after their name. Those that are against this President aren't going to give him any credit either...for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) But what reason is there to believe his heart is American? I'd never challenge this about Bill Clinton, as much as I didn't like his presidency and policies. All I have seen from Obama is a hatred, or dislike if you prefer, for "the American way." My evidence? His "America apology tour" The people he's chosen to associate with (Ayers, Wright, and the rest). His policies seem to be aimed at bringing down capitalism. So what evidence is there that his heart is American? What about "America" has he shown to be proud of and supportive of? Edit to add: For the record, I'm not challenging this to cast stones. It's about having an honest evaluation of what we are dealing with - and praying for. Edited November 20, 2009 by nebula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 But what reason is there to believe his heart is American? I'd never challenge this about Bill Clinton, as much as I didn't like his presidency and policies. All I have seen from Obama is a hatred, or dislike if you prefer, for "the American way." My evidence? His "America apology tour" The people he's chosen to associate with (Ayers, Wright, and the rest). His policies seem to be aimed at bringing down capitalism. So what evidence is there that his heart is American? What about "America" has he shown to be proud of and supportive of? Edit to add: For the record, I'm not challenging this to cast stones. It's about having an honest evaluation of what we are dealing with - and praying for. Well, I'll assume this post was addressed to me. I'm not sure what evidence I can give for my opinions. I'll consider the President as American as long as he acts like one. A lot of the things he's credited (or bashed) with are all hype anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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