arunangelo Posted December 6, 2009 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/30/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2009 Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant. Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh. (Matt. 19:6). The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritman Posted December 6, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,131 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1962 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I think Paul said it best over in Eph 5:28-29 (NASB) 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted December 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2009 When that marriage occurs between a believer and a non-believer it is difficult and often impossible to overcome. When the non-believer is a violent abuser and endangers his family and children - the marriage has broken and the children must be removed from this trauma and unsafe situation. No - God does not like divorce, but God gives His children forgiveness and Grace to move on with their lives and even occasionally puts someone in the path of the believer who is a Christian and wants to have a Christian marriage - It is a gift from God when this happens. God is the center of our union. He is our strength and our guidance. He provides and he forgives. This is whom I am married to - with His blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgedrw81 Posted December 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,823 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/10/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2009 .. God gives His children forgiveness and Grace to move on with their lives and even occasionally puts someone in the path of the believer who is a Christian and wants to have a Christian marriage - It is a gift from God when this happens. God is the center of our union. He is our strength and our guidance. He provides and he forgives. This is whom I am married to - with His blessing. Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIME Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 382 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/17/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/08/1964 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Marriage is a covenant of love which unites husband and wife to form a family unit. This covenant is sealed by God. Therefore, no one can break this covenant. Furthermore, they are no longer two, but one flesh. (Matt. 19:6). The relationship between husband and wife therefore is stronger than that between a father and his son or between a mother and her daughter. Therefore, even if one divorces one's spouse, he/she is still remains his/her spouse until death. Furthermore, it does not matter how bad one's spouse is, he/she is still that person's spouse; just as irrespective of how bad one's son is he is still that person's son. Therefore, we have to love our spouse just as Christ loves His Church (Ephesians 5:25) and forgive one another without any limit (Matthew 18:21-22); just as God forgives us. Because of our sinfulness there are always going to be stressful situations in a marriage. However, Jesus who came to heal us gives us strength and graces to live a Christian marriage. Therefore, when we follow Jesus by denying our very self and taking up our cross (Matt 19:11) we will find hope where there is hopeless, love where there is hate, peace where there is discord, and see the face of God in the pain and suffering of our spouse. Excellent Post Arunangelo This scripture comes to mind about Christians divorcing: (1 Corinthians 7:10-11) Now, for those who are married I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord. A wife must not leave her husband. But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else go back to him. And the husband must not leave his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2009 It depends in what sense you are using that phrase. it could be used to describe a marriage between 2 Christian people. It could also be used to describe a marriage based on Christian principles. It could also be used to describe a ceremony that is Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman. It is neither 'Christian' or non-Christian. It is familial in nature. A man asks a woman's FATHER for his permission to covenant with his daughter in marriage. If the woman is of age (an adult), and on her own, it is not even necessary to obtain permission from her father; she has set up household on her own. Still, to establish good familial relations, asking the blessing of an adult woman's father is still something I believe that should be done. Furthermore, a man does not need to obtain the permission of the state in order to marry. That is what a license is: getting permission. Marriage does not fall under the authority of the state. The Church acts as the agent of God in the world in Christian marriages only. A pastor performs a blessing ceremony, not a marriage. The Church does not have the authority to prohibit marriage except in the case where fornication or adultery is known and provable and only with the evidence of 2 or 3 witnesses. The covenant of marriage is sealed with the sexual act. Marriage is not a 'sacrament'. Fornication occurs when a man or woman jumps from partner to partner with no heart-commitment. Adultery occurs when a man or woman has sexual relations with someone who is outside the covenant of the marriage. If a man takes another wife, he must bring her into the household. There should be no separate households; that would be fornication. There is no Biblical prohibition against a man having more than one wife, except that he cannot be in ministry. In the event of a polygamous marriage, the covenant is between the man and EACH individual woman, there is ABSOLUTELY no covenant between the women AT ALL. (That would be lesbianism, forbidden in Scripture.) The women are not to share the bed at the same time. Is it wise and prudent for a man to have more than one wife? Not in my opinion, nor in that of Scripture, but it is NOT sin. Obviously societal custom comes into play also, especially when determining the age at which a woman can be married. A woman who has not fully developed physically so as to bear children can't be married. Does the state have ANY jurisdiction over marriage at all? Only in protecting the participants from and preventing physical, emotional and mental abuse. The state has no say in marriage or divorce (except to record the events). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Any time there are assets involved the State is involved through the court system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunangelo Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/30/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman. It is neither 'Christian' or non-Christian. It is familial in nature. A man asks a woman's FATHER for his permission to covenant with his daughter in marriage. If the woman is of age (an adult), and on her own, it is not even necessary to obtain permission from her father; she has set up household on her own. Still, to establish good familial relations, asking the blessing of an adult woman's father is still something I believe that should be done. Furthermore, a man does not need to obtain the permission of the state in order to marry. That is what a license is: getting permission. Marriage does not fall under the authority of the state. The Church acts as the agent of God in the world in Christian marriages only. A pastor performs a blessing ceremony, not a marriage. The Church does not have the authority to prohibit marriage except in the case where fornication or adultery is known and provable and only with the evidence of 2 or 3 witnesses. The covenant of marriage is sealed with the sexual act. Marriage is not a 'sacrament'. Fornication occurs when a man or woman jumps from partner to partner with no heart-commitment. Adultery occurs when a man or woman has sexual relations with someone who is outside the covenant of the marriage. If a man takes another wife, he must bring her into the household. There should be no separate households; that would be fornication. There is no Biblical prohibition against a man having more than one wife, except that he cannot be in ministry. In the event of a polygamous marriage, the covenant is between the man and EACH individual woman, there is ABSOLUTELY no covenant between the women AT ALL. (That would be lesbianism, forbidden in Scripture.) The women are not to share the bed at the same time. Is it wise and prudent for a man to have more than one wife? Not in my opinion, nor in that of Scripture, but it is NOT sin. Obviously societal custom comes into play also, especially when determining the age at which a woman can be married. A woman who has not fully developed physically so as to bear children can't be married. Does the state have ANY jurisdiction over marriage at all? Only in protecting the participants from and preventing physical, emotional and mental abuse. The state has no say in marriage or divorce (except to record the events). God join husband and wife together (Matt 19:6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted December 7, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman. It is neither 'Christian' or non-Christian. It is familial in nature. A man asks a woman's FATHER for his permission to covenant with his daughter in marriage. If the woman is of age (an adult), and on her own, it is not even necessary to obtain permission from her father; she has set up household on her own. Still, to establish good familial relations, asking the blessing of an adult woman's father is still something I believe that should be done. Furthermore, a man does not need to obtain the permission of the state in order to marry. That is what a license is: getting permission. Marriage does not fall under the authority of the state. The Church acts as the agent of God in the world in Christian marriages only. A pastor performs a blessing ceremony, not a marriage. The Church does not have the authority to prohibit marriage except in the case where fornication or adultery is known and provable and only with the evidence of 2 or 3 witnesses. The covenant of marriage is sealed with the sexual act. Marriage is not a 'sacrament'. Fornication occurs when a man or woman jumps from partner to partner with no heart-commitment. Adultery occurs when a man or woman has sexual relations with someone who is outside the covenant of the marriage. If a man takes another wife, he must bring her into the household. There should be no separate households; that would be fornication. There is no Biblical prohibition against a man having more than one wife, except that he cannot be in ministry. In the event of a polygamous marriage, the covenant is between the man and EACH individual woman, there is ABSOLUTELY no covenant between the women AT ALL. (That would be lesbianism, forbidden in Scripture.) The women are not to share the bed at the same time. Is it wise and prudent for a man to have more than one wife? Not in my opinion, nor in that of Scripture, but it is NOT sin. Obviously societal custom comes into play also, especially when determining the age at which a woman can be married. A woman who has not fully developed physically so as to bear children can't be married. Does the state have ANY jurisdiction over marriage at all? Only in protecting the participants from and preventing physical, emotional and mental abuse. The state has no say in marriage or divorce (except to record the events). God join husband and wife together (Matt 19:6) Amen. All the pastor does is perform a ceremony of blessing for the benefit of the other Believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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