LukeWarm, Laodacean Type Christianity

[2Joyful]

and while i agree it is not our place to judge others salvation it is still our place to inspect their fruits and to tell them if they behave unGodly.

Jesus never said don't take the speck from your brothers eye, just to simply take out your own beam first.

Actually, he said exactly that:

First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother

[jsca777]

Looking over this scripture at the start in of this thread, I get what Onelight is saying and it's true.

But at the same time a pastor could take the part on lukewarm in that scripture and make a sermon that could wake

up a lot of folks that is just that. I don't see where jsca's post was judging, I just see

her sharing an example about how some Christians are living below what God has created them to be, and thinking they

are getting by, and if they don't wake up....just like the other scripture Onelight provided they will be casted out....jot

I'm glad you realize that there wa snothign judgemental in this thread. Indeed many need to wake up and get right with God. Some will call that being judgemental when you bodly stand up against sin. Jesus stood up for righteousness and so did the apostles. They did not compromise with sin.

btw, I am a he, not a her.

[Guest HIS girl]

'jsca777'

btw, I am a he, not a her.

Are you sure now?! Joke..LOL

[exrockstar]

The water the Laodeceans had to use was good for nothing - not hot enough for healing purposes, not cool enough for drinking. So the water analogy was perfect for the city because they could understand the analogy from their own daily living - Jesus compared them to the nasty water they had to deal with day in and day out.

why even bring up parasites? People back then believed in spontaneous generation? The microscope hasn't been invented yet.

They didn't have to know anything about parasites - all they knew was that the water made them sick! And they knew that it had to be treated in a certain way in order for it to make them not-sick.

the water isn't the issue. the talk of parasites is the problem i have.

"Spewing" just shows rejection. it doesn;t have anything to do with parasites.

[Sir Gareth]

and while i agree it is not our place to judge others salvation it is still our place to inspect their fruits and to tell them if they behave unGodly.

Jesus never said don't take the speck from your brothers eye, just to simply take out your own beam first.

Actually, he said exactly that:

First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother

[CAP73]

What's with the links?

Oops, I have no idea where they came from. Took 'em out though.

[CAP73]

and while i agree it is not our place to judge others salvation it is still our place to inspect their fruits and to tell them if they behave unGodly.

Jesus never said don't take the speck from your brothers eye, just to simply take out your own beam first.

Actually, he said exactly that:

First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Matthew 7:5

and my post says exactly what your trying to say.

Jesus never tells us we are not to remove the speck from our brothers eye, but before we can begin to help others fix their problems we are to look at ourselves and ensure we do not have the same problem.

My bad Sir. I was tired yesterday and must have read it wrong. Apologies.

Edited December 18, 2009 by melasthanatos

[Guest shiloh357]

why would Jesus want to drink water in the first place? and why would that analogy fit a story about a church that preaches "prosperity doctrine?"

my study bible talks about the "bacteria and water" analogy but i dont buy it. doesnt fit.

It does fit. Laodecia did not have its own water supply but had water that was piped in from Colosse, and another city. By the time the water reached Laodecia it was full of parasites. Parasites and bacteria grow in lukewarm water. So the water had to be treated before drinking.

Jesus used the lukewarm water as a metaphor for the worldliness of the Laodecians who thought their thin Chrisitan veneer was sufficient and they could live worldly lives.

So, the metaphor does fit when you take into consideration that lukewarm water was something very pertinent to the Laodecians, and was something for which they had a very person frame of reference.

but christ says "i wish you were hot or cold...."

well, if it was hot he'd burn His mouth but be bacteria-free.

If it was cold then bacteria would still grow on it.

parasites can survive in water from cold to warm but yet He wishes it was cold?

why even bring up parasites? People back then believed in spontaneous generation? The microscope hasn't been invented yet.

anyways, i don't want to make it seem like you may be incorrect. the parasite conclusion seems off but the idea involving water is not.

It is just a metaphor./ The metaphor was relevant to the Laodiceans because of the dangers they faced from their water supply. It really is very simple. Jesus wished they were either hot or cold. Cold water and hot water have valuable uses for us. They heal and refresh. But lukewarm water was useless and even more than that, it was sickening. Just like their worldiness was "sickening" in a manner of speaking, to Jesus.

[Guest shiloh357]

The water the Laodeceans had to use was good for nothing - not hot enough for healing purposes, not cool enough for drinking. So the water analogy was perfect for the city because they could understand the analogy from their own daily living - Jesus compared them to the nasty water they had to deal with day in and day out.

why even bring up parasites? People back then believed in spontaneous generation? The microscope hasn't been invented yet.

They didn't have to know anything about parasites - all they knew was that the water made them sick! And they knew that it had to be treated in a certain way in order for it to make them not-sick.

the water isn't the issue. the talk of parasites is the problem i have.

"Spewing" just shows rejection. it doesn;t have anything to do with parasites.

Yeah, it does, historically. The church at Laodecia was a worldly church. The city was known for it textile industry particularly for its manufacture of expensive purple fabric and for a popular medicinal eye salve. It was a rich city due to it high-end customers and demands for both its eye salve and it expensive clothing and textile industry.

Jesus took advantage of that and told them that despite how they saw themselves, They were poor, blind and naked, hitting on all three things that the Laodiceans prided in themselves. He goes on to tie that worldiless to another facet of their lives, their water supply. He told this worldly church that they were a lukewarm and as such, he was vomiting them from his mouth.

They did not need a microscope to know that the water supply had to be treated before drinking it. Just a sip from the tainted water supply before boiling it was all it would take.

[2Joyful]

Looking over this scripture at the start in of this thread, I get what Onelight is saying and it's true.

But at the same time a pastor could take the part on lukewarm in that scripture and make a sermon that could wake

up a lot of folks that is just that. I don't see where jsca's post was judging, I just see

her sharing an example about how some Christians are living below what God has created them to be, and thinking they

are getting by, and if they don't wake up....just like the other scripture Onelight provided they will be casted out....jot

I'm glad you realize that there wa snothign judgemental in this thread. Indeed many need to wake up and get right with God. Some will call that being judgemental when you bodly stand up against sin. Jesus stood up for righteousness and so did the apostles. They did not compromise with sin.

btw, I am a he, not a her.

Sorry