Why It’s Time for the Tea Party

[Assured]

You can spin it however you want but its still a cut Assured. And it is affecting the care people are getting. Nursing homes have been underfunded for years and to cut that even more makes them even worse places for elderly people to be. Not to mention that in this economy it is also costing jobs. Nursing used to be a good proffession to get into but with all the cuts there are no jobs and the people that do keep their jobs are having to take paycuts.

Sure it's a cut, and it's not good. We need revenue.

[sue244]

The problem is they are going after the wrong people. Oh Obama has spun a nice web about how evil insurance companies are but I have yet to hear anyone talk about pharmacutical company and that is where the overspending and gross profit margins really are. But I have a feeling if you looked at the donar list for Obama or the DNC that pharmacuticals are high up on the list. The Democrats show time and time again how easily they can be bought off. Another reason why we need the Tea Party, keep both parties in check, so that they arn't being bought off.

[coelacanth]

I heard that the Republican party got started that way as well - an unorganized grass movement of sorts.

The Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party. It is currently heavily influenced and funded by the Koch Brothers and their PAC's, such as Americans for Prosperity. These same people also have involvement in the lobbying organization ALEC, which stands for the American Legislative Exchange Council, which definitely would be a worthwhile Google search if you're not familiar with it.

It is very much the right wing of the Republican Party - they do not ever caucus with Democrats in Congress! In no way could this ever be considered to be a 3rd party.

You are incorrect as disgruntled Democrats were instrumental in founding of the TEA party. What you are putting forth here is left wing propaganda designed to undermine the truth and validity of the TEA party. Looks like you bought the leftist line. There are still democrats that belong to the TEA party as well and republican members, and they are far from all being the "far right wing" of anything. You are misinformed to say the least.

On another note a commentator yesterday said of the "demonstrators" that are currently lost and clueless, that they are blood suckers, mindless, and irritating, welcome to the flea party. I thought that was an accurate summation and worth sharing.

Huh? For your information (sue244 knows this - hi sue!) I voted Republican from Reagan to "W." "W" was the last Republican I have voted for, however, so I am a disgruntled Republican. IMO the Republicans were moderate until Newt Gingrich pulled his stunts in the House. I am a moderate and view the rightward shift of the Republican Party with alarm. And I call them "the far right wing" precisely because they do not caucus with Democrats -- that's not a "leftist line" -- that is a fact that you have just admitted yourself.

This country is a republic, not a democracy, perhaps you missed that. Those that founded this nation would be "far right wing" individuals according to you. They had no use for democrats either and when they called someone a democrat it was akin to cussing them out. There is nothing wrong with doing away with the insanity that has been fostered by the leftists of this country. No you are absolutely wrong in your assessment and apparently you are not aware of the reality of the history of this country either. The truth is if we wander too far away from our roots this nation will die. This is easily evidenced by our runaway government, the lack of real education in all of academia here in the USA, the overall degradation of society via entitlements and hand outs from this government which have been stolen from the productive members of this society, etc. No you are dead wrong and your anger come forth in your post as well as your ignorance.

[sue244]

I heard that the Republican party got started that way as well - an unorganized grass movement of sorts.

The Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party. It is currently heavily influenced and funded by the Koch Brothers and their PAC's, such as Americans for Prosperity. These same people also have involvement in the lobbying organization ALEC, which stands for the American Legislative Exchange Council, which definitely would be a worthwhile Google search if you're not familiar with it.

It is very much the right wing of the Republican Party - they do not ever caucus with Democrats in Congress! In no way could this ever be considered to be a 3rd party.

You are incorrect as disgruntled Democrats were instrumental in founding of the TEA party. What you are putting forth here is left wing propaganda designed to undermine the truth and validity of the TEA party. Looks like you bought the leftist line. There are still democrats that belong to the TEA party as well and republican members, and they are far from all being the "far right wing" of anything. You are misinformed to say the least.

On another note a commentator yesterday said of the "demonstrators" that are currently lost and clueless, that they are blood suckers, mindless, and irritating, welcome to the flea party. I thought that was an accurate summation and worth sharing.

Huh? For your information (sue244 knows this - hi sue!) I voted Republican from Reagan to "W." "W" was the last Republican I have voted for, however, so I am a disgruntled Republican. IMO the Republicans were moderate until Newt Gingrich pulled his stunts in the House. I am a moderate and view the rightward shift of the Republican Party with alarm. And I call them "the far right wing" precisely because they do not caucus with Democrats -- that's not a "leftist line" -- that is a fact that you have just admitted yourself.

This country is a republic, not a democracy, perhaps you missed that. Those that founded this nation would be "far right wing" individuals according to you. They had no use for democrats either and when they called someone a democrat it was akin to cussing them out. There is nothing wrong with doing away with the insanity that has been fostered by the leftists of this country. No you are absolutely wrong in your assessment and apparently you are not aware of the reality of the history of this country either. The truth is if we wander too far away from our roots this nation will die. This is easily evidenced by our runaway government, the lack of real education in all of academia here in the USA, the overall degradation of society via entitlements and hand outs from this government which have been stolen from the productive members of this society, etc. No you are dead wrong and your anger come forth in your post as well as your ignorance.

I have lost track of the number of times I have told Assuered that the US is a Repbulic. She never even responds to that and just keeps right on going with the assumpion that we are a Democracy never mind that fact tyhat Democracys ALWAY ALWAY self disturct.

[Assured]

The problem is they are going after the wrong people. Oh Obama has spun a nice web about how evil insurance companies are but I have yet to hear anyone talk about pharmacutical company and that is where the overspending and gross profit margins really are. But I have a feeling if you looked at the donar list for Obama or the DNC that pharmacuticals are high up on the list. The Democrats show time and time again how easily they can be bought off. Another reason why we need the Tea Party, keep both parties in check, so that they arn't being bought off.

Sure Obama has spoken of pharmaceutical companies. He wants to cut their Medicare reimbursements, because "W" neglected to negotiate special Medicare rates with the pharmaceutical companies when he set up Medicare Part D.

[Assured]

Koch Brothers Bullying Link

Why would it violate the TOS?

But also, is your claim that these things are the creators of the Tea Party, or simply that they jumped on Board with financial support after it got started?

That would be a matter of opinion. Arguably it may have started out as a grass roots movement, but the important thing is that it isn't ending up that way. What is good for Mr. Koch won't necessarily be good for people of more modest means. I'm sure he would love to get rid of Social Security, for example, because he doesn't need it. So as a voter I would be extremely cautious.

You are making it sound as if this man has taken over the Tea Party? That seems highly unlikely. He is just one of many who have put their weight into the field.

And frankly, I think you should be more concerned about the Occupy Wallstreet and who is in charge of the money for that right now. (Not to divert the topic, but to give a perspective comparison.)

Hi again Nebula. I found a link regarding what the Koch brothers have been up to lately - intimidating a lefty pundit, who is only saying what everyone else has been saying about him, but he picks on her because she is an unmarried Lesbian woman. That upsets me - I hate bullies. The link is above the quotes in this post.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Assured

[sue244]

The problem is they are going after the wrong people. Oh Obama has spun a nice web about how evil insurance companies are but I have yet to hear anyone talk about pharmacutical company and that is where the overspending and gross profit margins really are. But I have a feeling if you looked at the donar list for Obama or the DNC that pharmacuticals are high up on the list. The Democrats show time and time again how easily they can be bought off. Another reason why we need the Tea Party, keep both parties in check, so that they arn't being bought off.

Sure Obama has spoken of pharmaceutical companies. He wants to cut their Medicare reimbursements, because "W" neglected to negotiate special Medicare rates with the pharmaceutical companies when he set up Medicare Part D.

Oh yeah I just googled and nothing he has said or done actually does anything for dealing with the problems within the pharmacutacal industry. He has done a good job making Insurance companies the bad guy making an "evil profit" at 3-4% margins. But I cannot find anything about how "evil" it is for the pharmacutical companies to make a profit of 10-12% margin.

When Millions of dollars of perfectly good, sealed drugs, are destroyed every month in just my state (little known fact that only those with in the industry would realize) that is a problem that could easily be solved. But no one talks about that. So you admit that he has cut medicare and yet you are ok with him since he is a Democrat. Got it. At least you are consistent in towing the party line.

Oh BTW if you hate bullies you should look at how the Obama adminstration treats any press that dares to speak against him. But that would be going aginst party lines wouldn't it. Another double standard I guess.

[Assured]

The problem is they are going after the wrong people. Oh Obama has spun a nice web about how evil insurance companies are but I have yet to hear anyone talk about pharmacutical company and that is where the overspending and gross profit margins really are. But I have a feeling if you looked at the donar list for Obama or the DNC that pharmacuticals are high up on the list. The Democrats show time and time again how easily they can be bought off. Another reason why we need the Tea Party, keep both parties in check, so that they arn't being bought off.

Sure Obama has spoken of pharmaceutical companies. He wants to cut their Medicare reimbursements, because "W" neglected to negotiate special Medicare rates with the pharmaceutical companies when he set up Medicare Part D.

Oh yeah I just googled and nothing he has said or done actually does anything for dealing with the problems within the pharmacutacal industry. He has done a good job making Insurance companies the bad guy making an "evil profit" at 3-4% margins. But I cannot find anything about how "evil" it is for the pharmacutical companies to make a profit of 10-12% margin.

When Millions of dollars of perfectly good, sealed drugs, are destroyed every month in just my state (little known fact that only those with in the industry would realize) that is a problem that could easily be solved. But no one talks about that. So you admit that he has cut medicare and yet you are ok with him since he is a Democrat. Got it. At least you are consistent in towing the party line.

Oh BTW if you hate bullies you should look at how the Obama adminstration treats any press that dares to speak against him. But that would be going aginst party lines wouldn't it. Another double standard I guess.

Look Sue, I am NOT trying to make Republican voters wrong here. This is about a big money interest being caught trying to rig the system. I don't see this happening on the Democratic side, or if it is happening, it isn't to the same extent. Maybe the White House might take someone aside and say, "We don't appreciate your saying that." I don't know, but I suppose that could happen. But the Koch brothers aren't the White House, OK? They shouldn't go there. It might be questionable even for the White House, so definitely the Koch brothers shouldn't be doing it. I am sure that you see this.

[coelacanth]

I heard that the Republican party got started that way as well - an unorganized grass movement of sorts.

The Tea Party is the far right wing of the Republican Party. It is currently heavily influenced and funded by the Koch Brothers and their PAC's, such as Americans for Prosperity. These same people also have involvement in the lobbying organization ALEC, which stands for the American Legislative Exchange Council, which definitely would be a worthwhile Google search if you're not familiar with it.

It is very much the right wing of the Republican Party - they do not ever caucus with Democrats in Congress! In no way could this ever be considered to be a 3rd party.

You are incorrect as disgruntled Democrats were instrumental in founding of the TEA party. What you are putting forth here is left wing propaganda designed to undermine the truth and validity of the TEA party. Looks like you bought the leftist line. There are still democrats that belong to the TEA party as well and republican members, and they are far from all being the "far right wing" of anything. You are misinformed to say the least.

On another note a commentator yesterday said of the "demonstrators" that are currently lost and clueless, that they are blood suckers, mindless, and irritating, welcome to the flea party. I thought that was an accurate summation and worth sharing.

Huh? For your information (sue244 knows this - hi sue!) I voted Republican from Reagan to "W." "W" was the last Republican I have voted for, however, so I am a disgruntled Republican. IMO the Republicans were moderate until Newt Gingrich pulled his stunts in the House. I am a moderate and view the rightward shift of the Republican Party with alarm. And I call them "the far right wing" precisely because they do not caucus with Democrats -- that's not a "leftist line" -- that is a fact that you have just admitted yourself.

This country is a republic, not a democracy, perhaps you missed that. Those that founded this nation would be "far right wing" individuals according to you. They had no use for democrats either and when they called someone a democrat it was akin to cussing them out. There is nothing wrong with doing away with the insanity that has been fostered by the leftists of this country. No you are absolutely wrong in your assessment and apparently you are not aware of the reality of the history of this country either. The truth is if we wander too far away from our roots this nation will die. This is easily evidenced by our runaway government, the lack of real education in all of academia here in the USA, the overall degradation of society via entitlements and hand outs from this government which have been stolen from the productive members of this society, etc. No you are dead wrong and your anger come forth in your post as well as your ignorance.

I have lost track of the number of times I have told Assuered that the US is a Repbulic. She never even responds to that and just keeps right on going with the assumpion that we are a Democracy never mind that fact tyhat Democracys ALWAY ALWAY self disturct.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Aside from the mob rule aspect this is a large part of the reason that the founders and most people of the new Republic despised democrats and used that name as a curse on people when they were called such. Having seen what is going on over my short life span I can understand the wisdom of their point of view and as time goes on I would concur with their great wisdom in this matter.

[nebula]

This is about a big money interest being caught trying to rig the system.

Name one politician that isn't influenced by big money interest.