(The Pope,)

[Guest bumpas100]

just a short two or three years or so ago the pope while making a sabaticle to Mexico decreed that heaven,hell and the lake of fire as humanity understand them do not exsist.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

http://www.heal-all.com/krabac/heavenandhell.html

http://www.a-voice.org/discern/popehell.htm

Edited August 24, 2004 by bumpas100

[GoodSamaritan]

You think you understand the fullness of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory? What he's saying is that we nor he understand the fullness of these states of being. Is this reasonable or are we, in our imperfect human state, able to grasp this? Not even righteous St. John had any inkling in the story of Revelations. He sees a 'mere' angel and falls on his face and starts worshipping him! I think the Pope has a point here--we have NO inkling what Hell, Heaven, and Purgatory look, taste, smell, sound, or feel like. Still, being eternally absent of God should scare us more than anything imaginable (or UN-imaginable).

The Pope does not deny a physical location of Hell but says its' properties go beyond a simple locale. How can you deny that WE choose Hell? God does not choose it for us but rather, we end life in communion with Him or we reject Him totally--both OUR choice, not God's. Should we willingly turn away from Him, Hell is what we merit. Granted, the ultimate judgement is God's but His job is easy, as we have already made His judgement so. Why do I see a 'Pope denies that Hell exists!' diatribe being posted here?

The Catechism is really clear about Hell. Don't forget to read the 'note' at the bottom of the ewtn article--it clears up a lot:

*[Note: The original Italian says, "(Pi

Edited August 24, 2004 by GoodSamaritan

[irishcowboy]

dont matter what the pope says......

the fact that the Bible tells us about it is enough for me....

The Bible does speak about it, and is specific enough that I believe that both exist and that we are heading for one or the other.... which one is our choice, and we have to make that choice while on earth..... not after we have passed on, it has to be a conscience decission we make on our own, we can not be prayed into heaven, and we can not petition the Lord after we die either.... it has to be done now.....

mike

[Guest bumpas100]

And yet we know that the Vatacan has the most extensive library on the life and times of jesus the Christ and the bible in the world.

lest we forget that the people of that time still believed that the earth was flat and if thay were to venture to far into the sea thay would fall of of a mythical waterfall into infinity.

(Credebility problem???)

[BobTriez]

Moved to Doctrinal Questions Forum....carry on.....

Your's in Christ,

Bob

[BobTriez]

You think you understand the fullness of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory? What he's saying is that we nor he understand the fullness of these states of being. Is this reasonable or are we, in our imperfect human state, able to grasp this? Not even righteous St. John had any inkling in the story of Revelations. He sees a 'mere' angel and falls on his face and starts worshipping him! I think the Pope has a point here--we have NO inkling what Hell, Heaven, and Purgatory look, taste, smell, sound, or feel like. Still, being eternally absent of God should scare us more than anything imaginable (or UN-imaginable).

The Pope does not deny a physical location of Hell but says its' properties go beyond a simple locale. How can you deny that WE choose Hell? God does not choose it for us but rather, we end life in communion with Him or we reject Him totally--both OUR choice, not God's. Should we willingly turn away from Him, Hell is what we merit. Granted, the ultimate judgement is God's but His job is easy, as we have already made His judgement so. Why do I see a 'Pope denies that Hell exists!' diatribe being posted here?

The Catechism is really clear about Hell. Don't forget to read the 'note' at the bottom of the ewtn article--it clears up a lot:

*[Note: The original Italian says, "(Pi

[ServingHim]

You think you understand the fullness of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory? What he's saying is that we nor he understand the fullness of these states of being. Is this reasonable or are we, in our imperfect human state, able to grasp this? Not even righteous St. John had any inkling in the story of Revelations. He sees a 'mere' angel and falls on his face and starts worshipping him! I think the Pope has a point here--we have NO inkling what Hell, Heaven, and Purgatory look, taste, smell, sound, or feel like. Still, being eternally absent of God should scare us more than anything imaginable (or UN-imaginable).

The Pope does not deny a physical location of Hell but says its' properties go beyond a simple locale. How can you deny that WE choose Hell? God does not choose it for us but rather, we end life in communion with Him or we reject Him totally--both OUR choice, not God's. Should we willingly turn away from Him, Hell is what we merit. Granted, the ultimate judgement is God's but His job is easy, as we have already made His judgement so. Why do I see a 'Pope denies that Hell exists!' diatribe being posted here?

The Catechism is really clear about Hell. Don't forget to read the 'note' at the bottom of the ewtn article--it clears up a lot:

*[Note: The original Italian says, "(Pi

[Guest Called]

You think you understand the fullness of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory? What he's saying is that we nor he understand the fullness of these states of being. Is this reasonable or are we, in our imperfect human state, able to grasp this? Not even righteous St. John had any inkling in the story of Revelations. He sees a 'mere' angel and falls on his face and starts worshipping him! I think the Pope has a point here--we have NO inkling what Hell, Heaven, and Purgatory look, taste, smell, sound, or feel like. Still, being eternally absent of God should scare us more than anything imaginable (or UN-imaginable).

The Pope does not deny a physical location of Hell but says its' properties go beyond a simple locale. How can you deny that WE choose Hell? God does not choose it for us but rather, we end life in communion with Him or we reject Him totally--both OUR choice, not God's. Should we willingly turn away from Him, Hell is what we merit. Granted, the ultimate judgement is God's but His job is easy, as we have already made His judgement so. Why do I see a 'Pope denies that Hell exists!' diatribe being posted here?

The Catechism is really clear about Hell. Don't forget to read the 'note' at the bottom of the ewtn article--it clears up a lot:

*[Note: The original Italian says, "(Pi

[stevehut]

And yet we know that the Vatacan has the most extensive library on the life and times of jesus the Christ

There's a biography of Jesus apart from the Bible? How many books do you need?

[irishcowboy]

Where did the word Bible come from anyway? And who in the heck came up with Trinity?! BTW, I believe FIRMLY in BOTH because the Church has TOLD ME SO! And I believe The Church Because I believe in Christ and Christ LEADING HIS Church.

BIBLE = BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH....

the Bible speaks about the Trinity.... as in baptizing in the name of the Father, the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit....... ( hmmmm funny, it dont mention that we are to be baptized in the name of mary.....wonder why )

the concept of the Trinity is there..... just as the concept of the Rapture is there.....

the Bible does not have those peticular words listed, but the concept is there, just like the word Grandfather or Grandmother.... those words are not in the Bible either.... but we all know that Grandfathers and Grandmothers do infact exist....

do you believe in the Trinity because the church told you so? or because you found the concept of it in the Bible its self?

speaking of baptism, since when can a christening of an infant give that infant any favor? it can not..... the only thing that a Christening is for is to let the congregation know that a person is saying they will raise up this child in the way of the traditions of the church.....

Baptism has to be a free will thing, it has to be a conscience thing a person does, I can not decide for anyone else to have them baptised, and do it for them and have any favor thru it.... all it will be good for is knocking a bit of road dust from their cloths..... for them to be baptised, it has to be of their own free will and accord in accordance with the Bible...... they have to choose to be baptised, just as a person has to consciencely decide whether to take Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, that has to be their choice.... I can not pray them into heaven after they die, I can not pra y them into heaven if they are in a coma and then die.... they have to make a conscience choice of their own free will and accord.....

baby baptism is nothing more then a dedication...... and serves no other purpose.

I was Christened at 8 days..... to follow "tradition" as well as the older laws....

my parents raised me in the catholic church until I broke off, seeing things that were not quite as they seemed..... I was baptised into a protestant church for a piece of paper..... and again when I switched denominations..... for that piece of paper.... all that was for was paper, something to hang on the wall..... later, the Lord got hold of me and told me I needed to be baptised..... not for paper, not for tradition, but because He wanted me..... all of me to be for Him...... so, oct of 2000 I gave my life totally over to God IAW Gods message...... and I have been growing stronger in Him, not in the church but in the Lord God ever since.....

Tradition is good, but dont worship tradition..... tradition is fine, but we need to make sure we keep our focus on THE ONE TRUE GOD..... not any others.....

it is funny... how people think that the building they attend services in is the only one that is going to get to go to heaven..... unforturnatly, that is totally wrong, that is not what the Word of God says.....

mike