Resurrection of MILLENNIAL Saints?

[WISDOM]

Here's a thought I'd like to throw out here to all.....The Word in no passage clearly predicts the resurrection of the millennial saints.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Wisdom,

Here's a thought I'd like to throw out here to all.....The Word in no passage clearly predicts the resurrection of the millennial saints.  Some people have concluded that saints who enter the Millennium will never die.

It is interesting that you bring this up at this time because I am currently on another forum discussing this very thing.

You are correct that no passage clearly predicts the resurrection of the millennial saints. What we DO see though are TWO resurrections, one for the just and one for the unjust and TWO judgments, one for the just and one for the unjust and the two are separated by 1,000 years:

Luke 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Here is the first resurrection/judgment:

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is the 2nd resurrection/judgment:

Rev 20:13-15 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Along with this Scripture is silent about a "rapture" of living saints at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.  The presumption is that some saints who survive the Tribulation period will be already advanced in age, and I'm aware of Isaiah 65:20.  However, in any case it is doubtful whether anyone will survive for the entire thousand-year reign.  Of course I'm speculating, but what do you think?

There is only ONE resurrection/judgement of the "just" and it occurs immediately following the tribulation period. This resurrection will also include those "raptured" who are few in number. Thes. says it thusly: "those who are alive and remain."

As for ANYONE living for most if not all the 1,000 years, I believe that many of those doomed to the Lake of Fire will live for a very long time, even as in the early days of Genesis. They will initially be in small numbers, but over 1,000 years they will propagate to a very large number. Then at the end, Satan will be loosed for a short time and gather ALL the nations against the camp of the saints for the final battle which the Lord shall destroy with His Word.

If they die, then will they be resurrected?  Or do you think this won't be disclosed to us until after our LORD's return to set up HIS earthly kingdom out of Jerusalem??  Keep in mind that this doctrine is not built upon explicit Scripture.

Are you speaking from an Amil perspective? That particular doctrine is easily refuted by examining the validity of the 1,000 year reign.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[WISDOM]

Hello DE and kinnear:

I've found that there really is no clear cut answer to my question.

No, I'm not one who stands on the amillennialist viewpoint.

[Adstar]

Luke 17: 34-36

34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

Sounds like a rapture type event to me?

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[WISDOM]

Greetings Wisdom, you wrote

Scripture is silent about a "rapture" of living saints at the end of the Millennial Kingdom

Yes, you are right. But more than that, Scripture is silent about a rapture at any time.

Check out Is This the Only Day of Salvation?

Sadly, churchianity leads many astray on this matter.

All the best,

Kinnear

kinnear:

Is your belief based on Herbert W. Armstrong and British-Israelism teaching?

[Guest kinnear]

Hi Adstar, you wrote

Luke 17: 34-36

34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

Sounds like a rapture type event to me?

The rapture theory postulates that folk will be taken to heaven. (The heaven of God's throne:just to clarify which of the three Biblical heavens we are talking about). The scripture you quoted does not say they will be raptured to that heaven. But that's what people insist on reading into it.

Wisdom,

I have found that people on these boards always ask that type of question of people. It's easier to pigeon-hole, isn't it? I always decline to answer the question. Please study the whole of the booklet, prayerfully, checking everything in your Bible.

Anybody,

Here's a question which I have asked before and it's never been answered on these boards; not even by the protagonists on the "rapture" soap box debate.

John 14: 1 -3 is often used as proof of Christians being raptured to heaven. Please show from scripture where the term "my Father's house" or even the term "the house of God" is ever used in scripture (OT or NT) to signify heaven. In every case you will find it refers to the place on earth where God makes His abode/places his presence.

Regards, Kinnear

[WISDOM]

Hi Adstar, you wrote

Luke 17: 34-36

34I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."

Sounds like a rapture type event to me?

The rapture theory postulates that folk will be taken to heaven. (The heaven of God's throne:just to clarify which of the three Biblical heavens we are talking about). The scripture you quoted does not say they will be raptured to that heaven. But that's what people insist on reading into it.

Wisdom,

I have found that people on these boards always ask that type of question of people. It's easier to pigeon-hole, isn't it? I always decline to answer the question. Please study the whole of the booklet, prayerfully, checking everything in your Bible.

Anybody,

Here's a question which I have asked before and it's never been answered on these boards; not even by the protagonists on the "rapture" soap box debate.

John 14: 1 -3 is often used as proof of Christians being raptured to heaven. Please show from scripture where the term "my Father's house" or even the term "the house of God" is ever used in scripture (OT or NT) to signify heaven. In every case you will find it refers to the place on earth where God makes His abode/places his presence.

Regards, Kinnear

Kinnear:

I'll ask once again....are you a follower of Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, and British-Israelism?  I read the info on the website you posted to me on this thread.  I read it in it's entirety, so now I'm asking the question.  I think you know why I'm asking, don't you?

[Guest kinnear]

Hi Wisdom,

you wrote

I'll ask once again....are you a follower of Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, and British-Israelism?

Just to satisfy your need to pigeon-hole: "No, I am not a follower of Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, and British-Israelism"

Mind you, isn't Herbert Armstrong the man that "Christianity Today" (a respected and conservative magazine) nominated as having had a greater influence on Christianity in the 20th century than any other person?

[WISDOM]

Hi Wisdom,

you wrote

I'll ask once again....are you a follower of Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, and British-Israelism?

Just to satisfy your need to pigeon-hole: "No, I am not a follower of Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, and British-Israelism"

Mind you, isn't Herbert Armstrong the man that "Christianity Today" (a respected and conservative magazine) nominated as having had a greater influence on Christianity in the 20th century than any other person?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Wisdom,

My question centers around an actual Millennium Kingdom.  The evidence remains that there will probably be Saints who die in the Millennium and that they will be raised at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.  I said earlier I won't make this "doctrine" (only speculation), but it's probably the best explanation.  Could it be possible that at the same time Millennial Saints are raised, living ones will be taken from the earth without dying in preparation for the destruction of the present earth and heavens?

Please cite the "evidence that there will be Saints who die in the Millennium. I cannot refute this unless you show me the scriptures I am refuting.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie