~candice~ Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 Alan, to be honest, scripture is silent on how the mark prevents a person from buying and selling. You must admit that? I do not believe you have interpreted that passage correctly. It also doesn't say refuse, it says "no one may" which doesn't necessarily imply there is a physical barrier. Need I also mention that taking a symbolic passage literally is also an error in interpretation? Literalising the symoblic is just as bad as making spiritual the literal. I do not agree with you here brother . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 Grace to you, If you want to do commerce in or with this beast you have to have the mark. If you cannot prove you are marked, an authorized member of this one, you are not allowed to speak. If you do manage to speak, and it is anything contrary to what is perceived as Truth you will soon be out of there. This sounds like an impramatur by you to not have to be reproved by the Word or the Orthodox Body. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 $10 Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 Alan, to be honest, scripture is silent on how the mark prevents a person from buying and selling. You must admit that? I do not believe you have interpreted that passage correctly. It also doesn't say refuse, it says "no one may" which doesn't necessarily imply there is a physical barrier. Need I also mention that taking a symbolic passage literally is also an error in interpretation? Literalising the symoblic is just as bad as making spiritual the literal. I do not agree with you here brother . Andy, if I was to tell you that you may not ride in my car, am I not refusing you a ride? Think about the simplicity of scripture. Trying to seek a deeper meaning for what is simply stated is not right. You may feel that I have a wrong interpretation, as I believe you do. Yet, time will show us which is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 Alan, to be honest, scripture is silent on how the mark prevents a person from buying and selling. You must admit that? I do not believe you have interpreted that passage correctly. It also doesn't say refuse, it says "no one may" which doesn't necessarily imply there is a physical barrier. Need I also mention that taking a symbolic passage literally is also an error in interpretation? Literalising the symoblic is just as bad as making spiritual the literal. I do not agree with you here brother . Andy, if I was to tell you that you may not ride in my car, am I not refusing you a ride? Think about the simplicity of scripture. Trying to seek a deeper meaning for what is simply stated is not right. You may feel that I have a wrong interpretation, as I believe you do. Yet, time will show us which is correct. Alan, even your own example doesn't make sense to me. But, we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2011 $10 Dave Do you take cash or credit? I was preaching in Washington D.C. today and I said out loud and on the microphone, "You are made in the image of God, fearfully created, therefore you have an "Intrinsic Quality!" So that's a big ole fat $20.00 I officially owe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I believe there will be a way because scripture tells us there will be. How, not sure, but there will be one day. The idea that this is literal is far easier to believe then the idea of everyone having mental telepathy. I guess if "mental telepathy" were my only option, I would go with physical mark too. But it's not. Physically marking every individual would mean that every person would have to be accounted for and then they would need to come when summoned. Even if that were possible, can you imagine the time and expense involved in such an undertaking? Romans 16 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. I think we can all agree that Paul isn't telling us to physically mark these people...............right? So if we are capable of marking these people without touching them, why isn't God capable of doing the same thing? 2 Thessalonians 2 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. What's God doing there? He's marking them. He's separating them from the true believers. The beast doesn't need to have these people marked because they all believe in him. They openly worship him, he knows who they are. Their actions indicate whos side they're on. This war we're fighting, though it has physical ramifications, is spiritual. The devil doesn't require your physical presence in order to capture your soul. All he needs is your loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted January 9, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 $10 Dave Do you take cash or credit? I was preaching in Washington D.C. today and I said out loud and on the microphone, "You are made in the image of God, fearfully created, therefore you have an "Intinsic Quality!" So that's a big ole fat $20.00 I officially owe. When I was led of the Lord to this web site I read and observed for a few days and believed that it may be good to participate. But, low and behold, in order to do so I had to "sign up," that is become a member in order to "do commerce," that is buy and sell here. Strange huh? Is it not the little foxes that spoil the vine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted January 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2011 $10 Dave Do you take cash or credit? I was preaching in Washington D.C. today and I said out loud and on the microphone, "You are made in the image of God, fearfully created, therefore you have an "Intinsic Quality!" So that's a big ole fat $20.00 I officially owe. When I was led of the Lord to this web site I read and observed for a few days and believed that it may be good to participate. But, low and behold, in order to do so I had to "sign up," that is become a member in order to "do commerce," that is buy and sell here. Strange huh? Is it not the little foxes that spoil the vine? This website is totally free. What we are doing here is conversing, not commerce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted January 10, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted January 10, 2011 I believe there will be a way because scripture tells us there will be. How, not sure, but there will be one day. The idea that this is literal is far easier to believe then the idea of everyone having mental telepathy. I guess if "mental telepathy" were my only option, I would go with physical mark too. But it's not. Physically marking every individual would mean that every person would have to be accounted for and then they would need to come when summoned. Even if that were possible, can you imagine the time and expense involved in such an undertaking? Romans 16 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. I think we can all agree that Paul isn't telling us to physically mark these people...............right? So if we are capable of marking these people without touching them, why isn't God capable of doing the same thing? Again, look at the meaning of the word as I had shown you before. 2 Thessalonians 2 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. What's God doing there? He's marking them. He's separating them from the true believers. The beast doesn't need to have these people marked because they all believe in him. They openly worship him, he knows who they are. Their actions indicate whos side they're on. This war we're fighting, though it has physical ramifications, is spiritual. The devil doesn't require your physical presence in order to capture your soul. All he needs is your loyalty. God is not marking them at all, but allowing them to believe a lie. The physical mark of the best does not deny the spiritual warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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