What is more important

[Isaiah 6:8]

I have seen many people claim they have facts supporting there theory's, especially when it comes to the evolution vs creation debate.

How ever, I have yet to see on either side any facts that stand as evidence in and of themselves.

Every time someone has posted a fact as evidence it is usually explained in a way that supports one theory or another.

The facts are bent to match the theory.

I have seen both sides do this.

I have yet to see a piece of evidence that speaks for itself, with out being told what it means.

So it would seem that I am glad that most people who argue both evolution and creationism are not C.S.I. Detectives.

You see a true C.S.I. will find the facts and let them speak for themselves. The ones that win the case are the ones that cannot be explained away from the other sides expert.

So with this in mind. both sides I would like to see some facts that speak for themselves.

Last time I asked this type of question, people posted facts, then went on to explain what these facts meant. But both sides disagreed on the meaning of such facts.

So is there any facts that can stand on there own, with out any interpretation needed.

So if you want to post a fact that proves your point. post the fact only. Do not explain what it means. Doing so invalidates your argument, as I have yet to see either side do a true scientific method on that. In other words they are trying to reach a predetermined result, throwing aside other possible outcomes that do not line up with what they want to happen.

[Guest]

No

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:11-12

Gap

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. Genesis 1:20-22

Seen

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24-25

Except

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

Within The Theater Of The Mind

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Isaiah 45:9

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So if you want to post a fact that proves your point. post the fact only. Do not explain what it means. Doing so invalidates your argument, as I have yet to see either side do a true scientific method on that. In other words they are trying to reach a predetermined result, throwing aside other possible outcomes that do not line up with what they want to happen.

Facts

And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Genesis 7:17-20

Are Observed

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2 Peter 3:5-6

And The Truth Is A Gift

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Corinthians 2:6-8

Given To Whomsoever Will

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

And My Arguments

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 1 Corinthians 3:18

Mean Nothing

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 1 Corinthians 3:19-21

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Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Numbers 6:24-26

Be Very Blessed

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:27

Love, Joe

[imoss]

I love the way you post Joe! The word of God dominates the word of Joe and the point is made clearer than ever! You bless me.

[Fez]

Izzy, I can't answer the second two questions...

If one choses facts, (and I believe there should only be facts) then theory goes out the window. Well that's my theory anyway