Fez Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Invest in gold and guns people. The time is coming when the last "crash" will look like a speed hump. The next one will all but destroy us for 10 - 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,924 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted April 21, 2011 This is why Corporations and the rich should pay their fair share in taxes. The country needs revenue and the middle class is declining and can not sustain the load. The belief that low taxes for corps increases investment and broadens their tax base is false. When tax rates are low, corps keep their profits. When rates are higher, corps invest their profits in order to obtain write offs. Reagan understood this, which is why he raised taxes on the rich and corps..... which brought us out of a recession. How soon we forget. I suppose I could point out that any taxes imposed on corporations would simply be looked at as a cost of doing business, and passed on to consumers. So a tax on a corporation is simply a tax on us. I suppose I could point out that if all the wealth of the rich was simply confiscated it wouldn't even begin to address the debt crisis. I suppose I could do all that, but I won't. Instead, I'll just point out that you should beware of politicians who promote class warfare. Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Why does The Grapes of Wrath come to mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,924 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted April 21, 2011 This is why Corporations and the rich should pay their fair share in taxes. The country needs revenue and the middle class is declining and can not sustain the load. The belief that low taxes for corps increases investment and broadens their tax base is false. When tax rates are low, corps keep their profits. When rates are higher, corps invest their profits in order to obtain write offs. Reagan understood this, which is why he raised taxes on the rich and corps..... which brought us out of a recession. How soon we forget. I suppose I could point out that any taxes imposed on corporations would simply be looked at as a cost of doing business, and passed on to consumers. So a tax on a corporation is simply a tax on us. I suppose I could point out that if all the wealth of the rich was simply confiscated it wouldn't even begin to address the debt crisis. I suppose I could do all that, but I won't. Instead, I'll just point out that you should beware of politicians who promote class warfare. Blessings! -Ed Corporations have not been paying ther fair share for a long time. Bush made sure of that. That huge surplus we had when he took office is gone due to his tax cuts, expansion of govt and wars. The truth is our county's recent history has shown that when corps pay their fair share we are better off and when they don't we are worse off. What is your solution? Allow the Corps to pay no taxes and allow the middle class to carry the whole load? That is pretty close to where we are now.....it's not working out too well. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Not making corps pay their fair share is insanity. **sigh** On a side note, I have a sister who I love very much - but her politics is 180 out of phase of mine. So, we just talk about other things. I'll just say this (a point you did not address, BTW). Whatever YOU determine a corporation's "fair share" of a tax to be, said corporation is just going to pass that cost on its customers - i.e. you and me. Obviously I do not know you, and I'm relatively new on this board, so I have not read a lot of your posts. But just from the one here, I would guess that you are a person who buys into the dems/Obama "good" and reps/Bush "evil" paradigm. Please - do not fall for that tired tripe. You're probably more intelligent than that. Class warfare IS NOT what built this country - nor did it make it great. But CLASS WARFARE is going to be a major contributor to its downfall. Please do not just dismiss this out of hand. Please consider it may have some merit. Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 21, 2011 Meanwhile, Obama has given hundreds of Corporations an escape from Obamacare ( the ones that support his agenda) and has all but exempted GE from taxation. So much for looking out for the little man. Obama is out to crash this economy and re-order our society. He just called, today, those who sneak across the Rio Grande citizens in the great tradition of America. Tax the Corporations all you want. The only thing that will save this Nation now is a full on revival and a repentance and turning from our way to God's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted April 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 21, 2011 P.S. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalam. We are about to cross a line that will enrage God and make Him act on His Covenant. Zec 2:8 For thus says the LORD of hosts; After his glory has he sent me unto the nations which plundered you: for he that touches you touches the apple of his eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 22, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Author Share Posted April 22, 2011 Invest in gold and guns people. How about guns made of gold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted April 22, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 910 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,667 Content Per Day: 2.01 Reputation: 5,844 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2011 Jesus said as in the times of Noah people will be marrying and being given in marriage up to the very hour... Do you think it stops at just getting married and having kids, or does the "as in the days of Noah" carry out to the rest of the things that were going on just before the flood??? My guess is that most here are quite young. By my standards, anyway. There was a time when people could not cuss on the air. When prayer and Bible reading were allowed in public schools. When banks were not allowed to be in business across State lines. When tariffs were levied on imports across our borders. When corporations were criminally prosecuted for treason and disloyalty to the nation in which they did business (let alone made their billions). Yes there were social ills. Prejudice being the worst. Repression of women. And sadly the Church was too busy playing Church to take the leadership against these things. Which is why perversion headed up the women's movement and the likes of Jessie Jackson who Clarence Mason Weaver calls a plantation foreman headed up the civil rights movement. "This review is from: It's OK to Leave the Plantation : The New Underground Railroad (Paperback) This book is an inspiration to people of all races. I happen to be a melanin challenged male. I found great inspiration because this book can help anyone overcome dysfunctional thinking if they have the guts to believe the truth. It also shows that the real sellouts, and Uncle Toms are not Mr. Weaver, Dr. Keyes, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell and Star Parker. The real sellouts are Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee. They're the ones who want to "keep the slaves on the plantation". Why else would they be so vitriolic against the aforementioned people as well as Clarence Thomas and J. C. Watts? For the few scraps of meat the white massas of the Democratic party throw them Waters, Lee and the rest are willing to sell out their brehtren just so they can keep themselves in power. This is a great book and it shows people of all cultures and walks of life that they can make the American Dream work for them. And, when you do make it, you'll know because the let's pretend spoiled brats of the lewd left will be screaming the loudest. Way to go Mason." So, you youngsters who wouldn't know how to use a phonograph, don't have a memory of how the world was a different place... a responsible place... a working place... a place where bully individualism was not hindered with the scarcity of employment and the out of control cost of living and credit indebtedness... where people tried a bit harder to make a marriage work (and for the sake of the children was good enough reason)... I saw it. I was there. It existed. And then came the transition of the next 40 years to today. If you can get hold of an old out of print series the Reverend JR Church did based on Eustace Mullins Secrets of the Federal Reserve... you will be in for an eye opener. If you can forgive Church for predicting rainbow money by 1989 and the tendency for Mullins to blame the Jews for the ills of the world (sure Jews are involved in the greed and the globalist agenda... so is most every other race)... which can easily be used to obfuscate the good and factual points both put on the table... then you will have insight as to what is going on and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 22, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Author Share Posted April 22, 2011 To those that want to make the big corporations pay the most taxes... Those corporations are the ones that create jobs. The less taxes they pay the more they can afford to expand their businesses. With expansion comes the need for more manpower, hence, more jobs. When government hammers these corporations with higher and higher taxes, they simply lay people off, pass the cost on to the consumer, or take their business elsewhere (i.e., overseas or south of the border). When government tries to "punish" the rich, they are actually slamming the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 22, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Author Share Posted April 22, 2011 To those that want to make the big corporations pay the most taxes... Those corporations are the ones that create jobs. The less taxes they pay the more they can afford to expand their businesses. With expansion comes the need for more manpower, hence, more jobs. When government hammers these corporations with higher and higher taxes, they simply lay people off, pass the cost on to the consumer, or take their business elsewhere (i.e., overseas or south of the border). When government tries to "punish" the rich, they are actually slamming the poor. They are creating a record number of jobs every year in China, Mexico, Taiwan etc. Their tax cuts have not benefited American workers. All they have done is load more debt on us. We need to have them pay their fair share of taxes in the U.S. We also should make them pay a tariff for any goods they produce overseas at such a level that making their goods here is more profitable. In conjunction with this we should not pay high prices for low quality goods produced overseas. If we stop buying it, they will stop charging so much for it. We have brought all this on ourselves by giving the Corps everything they want (including paying little or no taxes) while not taking care of our own people. The reasons they are in those other countries is because of the high taxes and the burden of union entitlements here. May I ask you a few questions? How much is their "fair share" of taxes in your opinion? Are you one of those that think being rich is evil? Do you agree with the Obama administration when they seek to punish success? Are you a socialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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