Dad Ernie Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,802 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/01/1945 Share Posted September 14, 2004 NEWS STORIES TENS OF THOUSANDS PROTEST DISENGAGEMENT Sharon warns Cabinet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 "Jews should not think so lightly about transferring other Jewish people from their homes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahsway Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1959 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Im with ya on that Shiloh, I wish BB was back in running the country again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,244 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 63 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 I just can't wait till its a Theocracy again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Im with ya on that Shiloh, I wish BB was back in running the country again. Of all the Prime Ministers, BB was my favorite. They need him back as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I just can't wait till its a Theocracy again Hopefully sooner rather than later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 14, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,268 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,001 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2004 I just can't wait till its a Theocracy again Hope Jesus comes back first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I just can't wait till its a Theocracy again Hope Jesus comes back first. :LOL: good point! I don't think it will happen. I don't believe that God will let it. I'm looking for some event to put a stop to it....like Oslo stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 This from an Orthodox jew who owns a store in the jewish quarter of Jerusalem...written yesterday 9.13.04 ================================ Sunday evening began with a mass prayer gathering at the Western Wall . The evergrowing segment of Israel's population that would not succumb to the pressures of a generally hostile world view or to the fatigue of unending battle were gathering together for strength. Thousands arrived at the Western wall heeding the calls of former chief rabbis, Rav Avraham Shapira and Rav Mordechai Eliyahu. Several hundreds decided to take their prayers to the now monthly march around the gates. There was a sense of gathering in order to recieve strength and spirit for the struggle yet to come. Those that speak about a possible civil war do not know these people. These people will not raise an arm against a brother . Yigal Amir is the perfect proof. The fact that over these long years of struggle and threats he remaimns an anomaly is a very vocal testimony . An exception that proves the rule ! These people were not preparing to act violently . They were girding for a struggle that would be principled and based on faith and belief. They are getting ready to stand at every street corner and petition every contact. They are preparing to cling to their hom,es and their families. They were getting ready to welcome the many thousands who will join them in Gush Katif , should the need arise. As I stood at the prayer gathering and read the psalms and heard the shofars and the silver trumpets cry out their painful sound, I found myself being uplifted and torn between feelings of sadness and destiny. Sadness over the fact that we are still doing these things to ourselves or letting others do it to us. The sense of destiny related to the fact that after thousands of years I was standing in my state praying at the closest spot to the Temple mount declaring my allegiance to my people's destiny and future and to my commitment and faith. I was standing there for the many millions before me that could not. Around me stood many groups of people soldiers , yeshiva students and many fathers and their young children. All of them seemed to be wracked with the same emotions I was experiencing . Their cries to the Holy One Blessed Be He pierced the darkening sky. I left the wall. though, with a sense of not having achieved completion . I wasn't sure what was missing but I sensed a feeling of something unfulfilled. We walked quickly to Zion square to join the mass demonstration that had already begun.Tens of thousands of protestors opposed to the expulsion of Jews from Gaza and northern Shomron had arrived in downtown Jerusalem and were calling upon Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to either back down from his plan or to hold new elections. There was an electric feeling in the air. This was not a demonstration of despair or hopelesssness. It was a declaration of resolute faith . That spirit shot through the massed crowds and people began to smile at each other . That place in my soul that had previously felt empty was quickly filled by the sheer magnitude of the gathering . Noam Namir, a young girl from the threatened community of N'vei Dekalim, spoke for everyone there when she addressed Prime Minister Sharon, "How could you threaten to throw me out of my home in Israel, after my grandmother was expelled from her home in Poland, my grandfather was thrown out of Spain, and my father was exiled from the Sinai town of Yamit? I don't know how any Jewish soldier or police officer could bring themselves to throw my family and me out of our house! How will they be able to listen to such an order? " I began to understand more clearly an old segment of Rosh Hashana Torah I had once learnt and had heard again most recently from Rabbi Sholom Gold . Whenever the Biblical text uses the word "HaYom , The Day" ,it either refers to or insinuates the day of Rosh Hashanh,the day of judgement. The most obvious usage is in the Torah portion we read just prior to Rosh Hashanah , Parshat Nitzavim; Deuteronomy 29:9 "You are standing this day ( HAYOM )all of you before HaShem your G-d: your heads, your tribes, your elders, and your officers, even all the men of Israel, " We see it again in one of the more obscure references in Kings II chapter 4:11-13 ; And it fell on the day ( HAYOM ), that he ( the prophet Elisha) came thither, and he turned into the upper chamber and lay there. And he said to Gehazi his servant: 'Call this Shunammite.' And when he had called her, she stood before him. And he said unto him: 'Say now unto her: Behold, thou hast been careful for us with all this care; what is to be done for thee? wouldest thou be spoken for to the king, or to the captain of the host?' And she answered: 'I dwell among mine own people.' Beyond the plain meaning of the text our sages learnt an important lesson from this encounter. Elisha turns to this woman on Rosh Hashana day and asks her if he should intercede on her behalf with the King. In this case we are referring to the King of Kings,to HaShem. She answered that it would be unecasery as as she declares , 'I dwell among mine own people.' That is I stand before my King from amidst my people. It is from that position I draw strength. The greatest strength an Individual has as he turns in prayer before his Heavenly King , is when he does so with and on behalf of his people. The gathering at Zion square reinforced that sense. We stood before the world. We stood before the rest of Israel. We stood before our Creator united , for the sake of one another. Each of us amidst our people , for our people . That truth is invincible. It is with that truth we will enter into this year's Day of Judgement. moshe kempinski ( http://www.shorashim.net ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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