Women Pastors

[naomi3]

I would also like to add there are MANY well know bible scholars who believe Priscilla to be the one who wrote Hebrews but never signed her name because she was a woman. If this is true.......wouldn't that make her an authority in all our lives. A teacher and pastor to us all? Just thought I would throw that out there.

First off, many scholars do not, only a few do. Many sue to however the writing style is extremely similar to Paul. So much so that many scholars believe that the Book of Hebrews might have been one of Paul's earlier works before he began writing other epistles. This also matches up logically in that Paul's ministry first started to the Jews and then moved onto the Gentiles. Almost all of his epistles are written to Gentiles, yet Romans is the only one written to the Jews. Thus, many scholars believe it is Paul. The reason he would not have assigned his name to it is due to the fact that early on he was a hunted man by the Christians and Christians would avoid him. Early Hebrew Christians would have been fearful that they recieved a letter from the infamous Saul. Again, just theory, but there is nothing to indicate that Priscila wrote the book of Hebrews. Likewise, the refrence to Timothy and the tone of fellowship also point to Paul as the author. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Priscila wrote Hebrews, it's nothing more than a though made out of a vivid imagination. Hebrews, according to the evidence and lingquistic studies, leads us to believe Paul wrote it. However, there is evidence that Peter might have written it as well, but that is off topic so I'll stop.

That doesn't make His word fallable, it would just mean those who would doubt it just because a woman wrote it would be judgemental.

Then who wrote, what man wouldn't sign his name? Someone obviously didn't sign for a reason. And this isn't my conclusion it is suspect to bible scholars who have studied this topic.

First and foremost, name one scholar you know of that is a major proponent of this belief.

Secondly, that's sexist to state that all men would write their names (as if though it were arrogant). Paul did later so everyone would recognize that the letter was written out of authority. However, as I explained earlier, Paul would have had his reasons not to ascribe his name to Hebrews.

Okay, so I think I covered it.

First off, for me to say that there are many scholars who believe Percilla wrote Hebrews is not wrong. Did any one even know of this before I brought it up? If not then that would make it many to them. If you recall I also said I neither believe nor disbelieve this. Only pointing out other beliefs. To bring them up is not wrong and not worthy of being attacked. And why do you defend that Paul did so harshly when you have no proof yourself, it is ALL here say. We don't know who wrote Hebrews, everyone has there opinion and it is right to say an opinion on a matter which has never been proved is wrong.

Please forgive me for using the word man. I was using this word generically and did not think it would offend. If I could retype it I would type person. Please accept my appoligy. But to call me sexist is wrong. You are the one who is defending Hebrews tooth and nail when you have no proof yourself. It is easier for you to believe that a man wrote it because he is a man. I honestly love Hebrews and it would not change for me if I knew Paul or Priscilla wrote it.

Blessing to you. :il:

[Guest koppen]

Isaiah 54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations, SPARE NOT, lengthen thy cords and strengthen thy stakes.

word for my mother when received her calling....

Woman of this last hour to strengthen your tent stakes, drive your stakes even deeper into Me, and SPARE NOT, SPARE NOT ANYTHING-spare nothing of yourselves, but lose yourself in My Spirit. ?For I have called thee as a Woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused?, but know that you, O Woman are called in this last hour. Did I not say, that ?the last shall be first and the first last?? I have made room for you, room enough to stretch your tent as far from the east as to the west.

Though you have been refused before, I have gathered thee for such a time as this. Think not little of the treasures I have hid in your heart. For now is the time of unveiling, do not hide what I have deposited in you! Come forth O Woman for no ?weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgement thou shalt condemn?. So raise up your tent even higher than before, come up with ME, raise your vision higher, for there is a place for you!

Woman are called in this last hour. Did I not say, that ?the last shall be first and the first last?? I have made room for you, room enough to stretch your tent as far from the east as to the west.

Though you have been refused before, I have gathered thee for such a time as this. Think not little of the treasures I have hid in your heart. For now is the time of unveiling, do not hide what I have deposited in you! Come forth O Woman for no ?weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgement thou shalt condemn?. So raise up your tent even higher than before, come up with ME, raise your vision higher, for there is a place for you!

The moment in the garden when you ate of the fruit, you chose not to believe My Word. Choose this hour to believe, to trust wholeheartedly in Me, believe in Me when I say, "YOU can cast out demons", believe in Me when I say, "YOU can heal the sick", believe in Me when I say, "YOU will do even great things!" Cast down the lies of the kingdom of darkness and step into the Kingdom of LIGHT, to which you are called, for on that day you will be accountable for the treasure I have laid inside you.

There have been those who have pulled back on their tent, afraid that the winds and the rain will blow your tent away, but keep your foundation in Me, on the Rock, and I assure you, your tent will be steadied by the hand of God! There are those who have ?packed up? their tent and put it away for a season due to becoming weary and tired. Now is the time to setup your tent once again, trust in Me, trust in Me. You say to yourself, "Surely I cannot setup this tent for I have no husband or I have no covering!" Did I not tell you that I am your Maker and Husband and in Me you will find everything you need that pertains to life and godliness!

Some of you have rips and abrasions in your tent, will I not mend these? Can I not take the foolishness of this world to confound the wise? ?Behold I have created the smith who blows on the fire of coals and who produces a weapon for its purpose.? For you O Woman are called by name, pre-destined and chosen before the foundations of the world, destined for the purpose of My will!

His resurrection POWER dwells within you!

1st John 2:6? ?He who says he abides in Him ought himself/herself also to walk just as He walked.

1st John 4:17 ??because as HE IS, so ARE we in this world!!!

God is sending and raising up godly men in this last hour, to come along side the women! Glory! We are all a part of the body of Christ and we must work together.

Just as Peter said, Arise, Tabitha (Dorcus)?

Then he gave her his hand and lifted her up; and when he had called the saints and widows, he presented her alive. Acts 9:40-41

God is sending godly men, who have a pure heart after Him and have heard His voice, are stepping out in obedience, to raise up women in this last hour.? They are coming to equip, under-gird, support and nurture the anointing God has given you.? These men see the gift God has placed upon you.? These men are coming in the power of the Holy Ghost, to say ?Arise, women!? and they will present women ALIVE!? It will be a quick work.? And there will be healing between the genders, from the men who are called to step into this position.

Jeremiah 30:17 For I will restore health to you and heal you of your wounds, says the Lord, because they called you an outcast saying;This is Zion; no one seeks her.

[Guest koppen]

Kelli,

Do you then believe that the Bible is wrong in some respects, and that God is free to contradict His own word?

God man..No i do not...I said MAN is wrong not the word of God..eEvery thing that I have psosted concerning women ministers hasbenn ignored..as well as scripture...The Lord calls whom he sees fit to call ..Not man!

*bangs head on desk*

Okay, what the poop? I made a huge long post, you don't respond, and you say that it hasn't been responded to?

I did not see your responce Super Jew..I thought you where speaking to God Man...Forgive me..Don't get so freaked out...Chill!

[apothanein kerdos]

woo hoo, a reply!

First off, for me to say that there are many scholars who believe Percilla wrote Hebrews is not wrong. Did any one even know of this before I brought it up?

I knew about it, it's just like the people who say it was Barnabas that wrote it. It's all imagination with no fact.

If you recall I also said I neither believe nor disbelieve this. Only pointing out other beliefs. To bring them up is not wrong and not worthy of being attacked.

Where exactly did I attack you? If you could please point this out I'd appreciate it.

I was however attacking the belief. It was thrown out there and I took the liberty to show why it doesn't work. Unless you and the belief are one, I cannot see how I was attacking you.

And why do you defend that Paul did so harshly when you have no proof yourself, it is ALL here say. We don't know who wrote Hebrews, everyone has there opinion and it is right to say an opinion on a matter which has never been proved is wrong.

Um, I brought forth evidence for why many do believe Paul was the writer. However there is some evidence to suggest Peter might have been (seeing as how his main ministry was to the Hebrews). Yet for anyone to say that Priscila or Barnabas wrote Hebrews is really hard pressed for evidence. I never said that Hebrews was written by Paul, I simply said that the evidence pointed that way.

Please forgive me for using the word man. I was using this word generically and did not think it would offend. If I could retype it I would type person. Please accept my appoligy

Apology accepted. I obviously read it wrong.

[Guest koppen]

I understood what you wrote. But I am asking you if you believe the Bible to be the absolute and inerrant word of God. That is, every word of the Bible.

Yes I do!

[Ovedya]

You must be baptist!  I can't say much I am too!  You have an interesting perspective...I pretty much grew up on it. I just feel like God calls alot of women to be leaders who give instruction to men so maybe that's where my questioning comes in.

Oh and I did mean besides your mom. Wasn't really clear on that I guess.

I was a Baptist for only the first year and a half of my Christian life (11 years). I'm non-denom. We don't emphasize this like the Baptists do, but we do maintain the proper order in the church according to God's word. it's honestly never posed a problem for us like it has the Baptists.

I think that we part ways with God's word a lot of times when we "feel" like God is doing something. I respect any person who honestly believes that God is calling them to do something. However, when that feeling contradicts God's word then I have to (respectfully) question whether it was God's call or just a person's feelings. A lot of times our zealotry towards God causes us to do things which God has clearly not provided us to do in His word.

[Ovedya]

I understood what you wrote.

[apothanein kerdos]

I also want to clear up the misconception that all baptist believe this way. The Baptist university that taught me a lot of what I know also taught differently than what I believe on the female pastorate issue.

[Guest koppen]

I am now feeling I never should have enteredinto this dscussion because I have very STRONG beliefs concering this issue...Legalistic belief drive me insane!...I am getting too emotionally wrapped up already...LOL..I said what I had to say now I am done...Not anything said here will change anyones belief...A complete waste of time and energy.

[naomi3]

[Where exactly did I attack you? If you could please point this out I'd appreciate it.

I was however attacking the belief. It was thrown out there and I took the liberty to show why it doesn't work. Unless you and the belief are one, I cannot see how I was attacking you.

You are right. I guess I just felt attacked. Feeling and being are two diferent things. Please forgive my accusation.

Naomi :hug: