signatures of God

[lifesharer]

I have a good grasp of the discoveries of Ivan Pannin ( biblical numerics) and the ELS bible codes (Grant Jeffreys : The Handwriting of God), In my online witnessing I have run across both extremes of pro and con for these evidences. BUT , MY knowledge of and understanding of these subjects leaves me even MORE convinced of the divine inspiriation ( signature of God ) with in these "proofs". when trying to explain this to others both saved and unsaved i find only certian so called arguments against them and cannot understand why people do not see the errors of thier positions.

The simplest basic facts of mathimatics and logic reveal a profound significance in these two proofs to both a clear minded christians and an honest intellectual searcher.

Many of the con (against) arguments seem to be based on a errant understanding of the codes significance and on the intent or meanings, if any, to be derived from them.

For example many confuse Ivan Panins: Numerics; with a occult numerology like the jewsih kabbalaistic methods. the comparison being in no way relative. others decry the attempts by some men ( Michael Drosinin to be precise) to use the ELS codes as prophetic divination tools like the ouija board. as proof that its not from God, when in fact its actualy impossible to use it in that manner.

Both proofs are simply mathimatical anomalies which give evidence of design and purpose in thier being there, in the text. And both defy the axiomatic LAW of probabilities and its logical deductions, revealing that the intentional placement of them there, being unduplicatable by man, is then a legaly acceptable evidence (beyond reasonable doubt) and scientificaly (beyond mere chance) evidence that a greater being must have had a firm control of the creation of the Bible in total! The biblical Numerics evidence is purely mathimatical with NO revelatory or doctrinal meanings whatsoever. And the ELS "codes" show clearly; when studied as evidence for scriptures, a wonderouse design in every letter of the inspired text, while revealing absolutly NO new doctrines or prophecies either ( Drosinin not withstanding).

I welcome any questions or comments on this subject. As a fellow christian i hope i can clarify these discoveries to you so you can see them as the valuable evidence for the christian faith that they actualy are, when properly understood . Let me take you through each step of the discovery and its relevance, step by step.

Sincerely,

Lifesharer

PS I encourage you to read Grant Jeffreys two books on this subject.

[Guest shiloh357]

I am sorry but the bible codes have been pretty much debunked. The same ELS "codes" have been done in "War and Peace" and "Moby Dick" which goes against the claim of supporters of the Bible Codes that this phenomenon is unique to the Bible, and in particular the Hebrew Old Testament. There is really no merit to the Bible Codes.

We would be better off spending our time studying the plain truths of the Word of God and learning to be better servants of the Lord, and not chasing after codes.

Bible Codes Debunked in Moby Dick

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I have a good grasp of the discoveries of Ivan Pannin ( biblical numerics) and the ELS bible codes (Grant Jeffreys : The Handwriting of God), In my online witnessing I have run across both extremes of pro and con for these evidences. BUT , MY knowledge of and understanding of these subjects leaves me even MORE convinced of the divine inspiriation ( signature of God ) with in these "proofs". when trying to explain this to others both saved and unsaved i find only certian so called arguments against them and cannot understand why people do not see the errors of thier positions.

  The simplest basic facts of mathimatics and logic reveal a profound significance in these two  proofs to both a clear minded christians and an honest intellectual searcher.

Many of the con (against) arguments seem to be based on a errant understanding of the codes significance and on the intent or meanings, if any, to be derived from them.

For example many confuse Ivan Panins: Numerics; with a occult numerology like the jewsih kabbalaistic methods. the comparison being in no way relative. others decry the attempts by some men ( Michael Drosinin to be precise) to use the ELS codes as prophetic divination tools like the ouija board. as proof that its not from God, when in fact its actualy impossible to use it in that manner.

Both proofs are simply mathimatical anomalies which give evidence of design and purpose in thier being there, in the text. And both defy the axiomatic LAW of probabilities and its logical deductions, revealing that the intentional placement of them there, being unduplicatable by man, is then a legaly acceptable evidence (beyond reasonable doubt) and scientificaly (beyond mere chance) evidence that a greater being must have had a firm control of the creation of the Bible in total!  The biblical Numerics evidence is purely mathimatical with NO revelatory or doctrinal meanings whatsoever. And the ELS "codes"  show clearly; when studied as evidence for scriptures, a wonderouse design in every letter of the inspired text, while revealing absolutly NO new doctrines or prophecies either ( Drosinin not withstanding).

I welcome any questions or comments on this subject. As a fellow christian i hope i can clarify these discoveries to you so you can see them as the valuable evidence for the christian faith that they actualy are, when properly understood . Let me take you through each step of the discovery and its relevance, step by step.

Sincerely,

Lifesharer

PS I encourage you to read Grant Jeffreys two books on this subject.

The "Signature of God" is an Awesome book. I refer to it often it has a lot of valuable informaton in it even. Grant Jeffery does a lot of good research and I find his stuff very informative yet I do disagree with his escatology.

God bless,

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings,

Matthew 12:39-40 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There is ONLY ONE IRREFUTABLE PROOF of the existence of God and that is the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. I personally find MANY "proofs" in the Bible for the existence of God and His Son, but I AM A BELIEVER. A NONBELIEVER OTOH cannot grasp ANY of the "spiritual things of God", because they do not have the "Spirit" by which to understand them. So even IF the "numerics of the Bible" are valid, THEY will still NOT believe.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie