eandkandf Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/09/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2011 So here in Matthew 5:27-30 it basically goes 1. Do not look(with your eye site I like to think) on women with lustful intent or you have committed adultery 2. If you can't control your eyes from looking upon a woman like that pluck it out or your hand should be chopped off if you can't stop sinning with it. 3. then it's better to enter life maimed than to be cast into hell. I ask presumptuously why would Jesus talk about sinning with your eyes and then suggest plucking them out in order to save oneself from hell? Also it is told somewhere in the epistles that we get a new spiritual body fit for eternity anyways. What do you think? p.s. I really think it would be good to do a blind man experiment like a band over the eyes if you have lustful gazing problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 So here in Matthew 5:27-30 it basically goes 1. Do not look(with your eye site I like to think) on women with lustful intent or you have committed adultery 2. If you can't control your eyes from looking upon a woman like that pluck it out or your hand should be chopped off if you can't stop sinning with it. 3. then it's better to enter life maimed than to be cast into hell. I ask presumptuously why would Jesus talk about sinning with your eyes and then suggest plucking them out in order to save oneself from hell? Also it is told somewhere in the epistles that we get a new spiritual body fit for eternity anyways. What do you think? p.s. I really think it would be good to do a blind man experiment like a band over the eyes if you have lustful gazing problems... Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body be cast into hell. (Mat 5:27-29) Jesus' point is self-mastery. He is thankfully not enjoining self-mutilation. Jesus is talking about living a self-disciplined life. We are "cut off" those associations and remove from our lives all things that cause us to be snared into committing sin. The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Not only are we to avoid committing the act, there should be nothing in our lives or in our hearts to prompt us to sin in the first place. Our entire lives need to be built around and encourage us toward holy living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He giveth more grace Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,049 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 267 Days Won: 9 Joined: 10/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2011 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye causeth thee to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body be cast into hell. (Mat 5:27-29) Jesus' point is self-mastery. He is thankfully not enjoining self-mutilation. Jesus is talking about living a self-disciplined life. We are "cut off" those associations and remove from our lives all things that cause us to be snared into committing sin. The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Not only are we to avoid committing the act, there should be nothing in our lives or in our hearts to prompt us to sin in the first place. Our entire lives need to be built around and encourage us toward holy living. Excellent, 'shiloh357'. Self-mutilation is an abomination to God and profit nothing. Once one pucks out his eye is he any more holier, has he be sanctified, does he have any more of God's love for women that would cause him not to lust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 12, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riley2112 Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1957 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? The idea is to cut off those things from our lives that lead us into temptation. For instance, f you have friends who are a bad influence and you cannot withstand the peer pressure to engage in sin, it is necessary for you to cut off that relationship. Whatever triggers the temptation to engage in sin should be removed from your life. It is easier to keep sin out of your life if you don't let it in to begin with. We should be building our lives around what is holy and pleasing to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riley2112 Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1957 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? The idea is to cut off those things from our lives that lead us into temptation. For instance, f you have friends who are a bad influence and you cannot withstand the peer pressure to engage in sin, it is necessary for you to cut off that relationship. Whatever triggers the temptation to engage in sin should be removed from your life. It is easier to keep sin out of your life if you don't let it in to begin with. We should be building our lives around what is holy and pleasing to God. That sounds like good advise. But how can you truely tell what is pleasing to God? One verse says this, one verse says that. plus there are so many different churches that say they are the true church, so you must worship their way or you are in sin.. I truely believe that God exists. But how can I truely know how to worship him the way he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? The idea is to cut off those things from our lives that lead us into temptation. For instance, f you have friends who are a bad influence and you cannot withstand the peer pressure to engage in sin, it is necessary for you to cut off that relationship. Whatever triggers the temptation to engage in sin should be removed from your life. It is easier to keep sin out of your life if you don't let it in to begin with. We should be building our lives around what is holy and pleasing to God. That sounds like good advise. But how can you truely tell what is pleasing to God? One verse says this, one verse says that. plus there are so many different churches that say they are the true church, so you must worship their way or you are in sin.. I truely believe that God exists. But how can I truely know how to worship him the way he wants. Learn to listen to His very quiet, soft voice within you. He speaks through His Spirit. How do you know it is Him? See if what He tells you agrees with scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He giveth more grace Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,049 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 267 Days Won: 9 Joined: 10/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2011 So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? We are commanded in the Bible to walk circumspectly, and flee from every appearance of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riley2112 Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/29/1957 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The image of "right hand" and "right eye" is a common reference in the ancient near east for what is most precious to us. Good to know. Thanks! So , are you saying that we should remove all , and reframe from being around any and all things that may cause us to sin? The idea is to cut off those things from our lives that lead us into temptation. For instance, f you have friends who are a bad influence and you cannot withstand the peer pressure to engage in sin, it is necessary for you to cut off that relationship. Whatever triggers the temptation to engage in sin should be removed from your life. It is easier to keep sin out of your life if you don't let it in to begin with. We should be building our lives around what is holy and pleasing to God. That sounds like good advise. But how can you truely tell what is pleasing to God? One verse says this, one verse says that. plus there are so many different churches that say they are the true church, so you must worship their way or you are in sin.. I truely believe that God exists. But how can I truely know how to worship him the way he wants. Learn to listen to His very quiet, soft voice within you. He speaks through His Spirit. How do you know it is Him? See if what He tells you agrees with scripture. OneLight : You will never know how much I need to hear that. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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