joi Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 506 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 1,922 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 173 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/12/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews WASHINGTON – A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday. The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 Isn't this a state's rights issue. States are already free to enter into agreements with other states regarding concealed carry permits, why should the federal government get involved and dictate this to all the states? It's not like a drivers license in that state's recognizing the validity of other state's driver's licenses is necessarily for interstate commerce, and thus mandating that is under the purview of the federal government. In this case, the federal government would be saying to a state like Missouri that it has to recognize a conceal and carry permit from say Texas, even though Missouri may have more stringent requirements for obtaining that permit than another state would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Isn't this a state's rights issue. States are already free to enter into agreements with other states regarding concealed carry permits, why should the federal government get involved and dictate this to all the states? It's not like a drivers license in that state's recognizing the validity of other state's driver's licenses is necessarily for interstate commerce, and thus mandating that is under the purview of the federal government. In this case, the federal government would be saying to a state like Missouri that it has to recognize a conceal and carry permit from say Texas, even though Missouri may have more stringent requirements for obtaining that permit than another state would. Won't Be Long And You Won't Be Allowed To Share Your Canned Tomatoes With Your Neighbor The Death Of The Victory Garden And Of Neighbor Loving Neighbor The Price Of Freedom Is Ever Present Vigilance Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:34-36 And True Freedom Only Comes From Trusting In The Blood Of The Lamb Of God In God We Trust ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajunluvie Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 221 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . Errr . . . Add school lunches to the mix. Pizza is a vegetable? Congress says yes http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/#.TsV5YbKx5Cy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . thank you for not boring us with that whole list Neb..... It's almost endless. I'm sure before you finished they would have added more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 they are calling the pizza a veggie because of the tomato paste..... and actually the tomato is a fruit..... even though we often call it a veggie... Actually Pizza is a really ballanced meal. It has bread and milk products..... meats of one sort or another and we usually get all the veggies with it. Some people like onions and the tomato is a fruit. Completely ballanced.... and if it's from Mazzio's its' good...... v e r r Y v e r y good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . The right to bear arms of course is a 2nd Amendment Federal Issue. However, the supreme court has also ruled that states and municipalities can place reasonable qualifications on that. For example, most states do not allow convicted felons to own firearms. By the same type of logic of this legislation, if one state does not allow a convicted felon to carry a concealed gun, but another does, then that state has to accept that other states permit. Let me ask you this. Freedom of expression is a constitutional right as well. Now lets say Arkansas has some strong restrictions on the distribution of pornography, but California has much less strong restrictions. What if the federal government said that since freedom of expression is a constitutional right, and that since pornography falls under the purview of freedom of expression, if a smutt peddler is licensed in one state, all other states have to accept that license? My point is, this is not a clear black and white issue, there are a lot of gray areas here. When the federal government states mandating that one state must accept another states permit, then you are opening up a huge can of worms. Now, that all said, of course the federal government should step in, specifically the federal judiciary, when a state tries to deny an individual their constitutional rights. So while mandating that one state must accept another state's conceal carry permit is a very gray area constitutionally, it would be a black and white issue if a state tried to just out and out deny its citizens the right to bear arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgedrw81 Posted November 17, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,823 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/10/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2011 Protecting the 2nd Amendment is a Federal issue. Unlike a bunch of other regulations the Federal gov't mandates . . . like education, or the arts, or the internet, or social welfare, or . . . . The right to bear arms of course is a 2nd Amendment Federal Issue. However, the supreme court has also ruled that states and municipalities can place reasonable qualifications on that. For example, most states do not allow convicted felons to own firearms. By the same type of logic of this legislation, if one state does not allow a convicted felon to carry a concealed gun, but another does, then that state has to accept that other states permit. Let me ask you this. Freedom of expression is a constitutional right as well. Now lets say Arkansas has some strong restrictions on the distribution of pornography, but California has much less strong restrictions. What if the federal government said that since freedom of expression is a constitutional right, and that since pornography falls under the purview of freedom of expression, if a smutt peddler is licensed in one state, all other states have to accept that license? My point is, this is not a clear black and white issue, there are a lot of gray areas here. When the federal government states mandating that one state must accept another states permit, then you are opening up a huge can of worms. Now, that all said, of course the federal government should step in, specifically the federal judiciary, when a state tries to deny an individual their constitutional rights. So while mandating that one state must accept another state's conceal carry permit is a very gray area constitutionally, it would be a black and white issue if a state tried to just out and out deny its citizens the right to bear arms. By making it federally permitable today takes away certain state rights on this issue. However, this federal permit can also be withdrawn and forced on all states. It also makes it as precedent for other rights/issues, such as ponography or health plan. Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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