~candice~ Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 Correct! But when you legislate something, it is no longer a right but an obligation. If you want to maintain the right to not help those in need, when it comes to blood, or to your time, or your companionship etc, then to be consistent you also need to maintain the right not to give organs. Works both ways . The biblical answer of course is to give from the heart, willingly, and not under compulsion. We don't compel anyone to spend time with the lonely, we don't compel anyone to give blood, we don't (well ) compel anyone to give money to the poor, and we don't compel anyone to give their organs. Our motivation to give comes not from compulsion or legislation but because the Lord has blessed us, and because one day we will give an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 Taylor do you routinely donate blood? If not, why not? Not blood, but I do donate plasma. And I do that because it pays $25 each time I do it. As so many on this thread have stated, it is our RIGHT to refuse to do good, even though God says to refuse to do good or exercise that "right" is a sin. People on this thread may not judge those who refuse to do right, but God WILL. Taylor, will God judge you for not spending time with the lonely people of your community? Will God judge you for not giving your $25 plasma money to the poor of your community? Just a side note, if you are giving plasma in exchange for money, you have received your reward already on this earth (money). I'm just trying to get those fingers pointed in the right direction. We need to give people the freedom to obey the compulsion God puts in their hearts, not the obligations man puts on their head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark2005 Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 720 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/13/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/27/1966 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Taylor, You can't legislate stuff like organ donation. Organs are part of the human body, for heaven's sake. If one wants to donate, great, I applaud them. But it can't be coerced. When you think about it, very few things in life can be coerced. We can't even enforce traffic laws, how would you possibly do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor30 Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 382 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 96 Days Won: 3 Joined: 12/31/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Correct! But when you legislate something, it is no longer a right but an obligation. If you want to maintain the right to not help those in need, when it comes to blood, or to your time, or your companionship etc, then to be consistent you also need to maintain the right not to give organs. Works both ways . The biblical answer of course is to give from the heart, willingly, and not under compulsion. We don't compel anyone to spend time with the lonely, we don't compel anyone to give blood, we don't (well ) compel anyone to give money to the poor, and we don't compel anyone to give their organs. Our motivation to give comes not from compulsion or legislation but because the Lord has blessed us, and because one day we will give an account. I agree with you but that doesn't solve the problem. We must have forgotten that GOD did legislate morality. Anything that wasn't right was sin I am 100% certain that if the Israelites had the technology back then to do it, God certainly would have had something to say on this issue. Murder is a serious sin that deprives someone of life. Organ donation also CAN be a type of murder ( if someone could have used your heart and you refused to give it ). Allow me to use another illustration to get my point across. If I see a child drowning in a pool, I have a RIGHT to simply walk away. There is no law that requires me to help and I would have the RIGHT to do it. I view organ donation as the same thing. To refuse to save a life ( if someone is waiting for a heart or lung) is morally WRONG and I must admit my surprise st hearing Christians defend the RIGHT to do something morally WRONG and sin. I DON'T think God would defend this "supposed" right. DO YOU? If God wouldn't, why are we, AND how does it make God feel that we would defend something he wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,711 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,528 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted May 3, 2012 other then medical reasons I dont see any valid reasons not to (seeing as christianity is the only valid religion and theres nothing against organ donation there) But, I dont think it should be mandatory, it should be ones right to decide to donate or not-even if its false belief in another religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 Correct! But when you legislate something, it is no longer a right but an obligation. If you want to maintain the right to not help those in need, when it comes to blood, or to your time, or your companionship etc, then to be consistent you also need to maintain the right not to give organs. Works both ways . The biblical answer of course is to give from the heart, willingly, and not under compulsion. We don't compel anyone to spend time with the lonely, we don't compel anyone to give blood, we don't (well ) compel anyone to give money to the poor, and we don't compel anyone to give their organs. Our motivation to give comes not from compulsion or legislation but because the Lord has blessed us, and because one day we will give an account. I agree with you but that doesn't solve the problem. We must have forgotten that GOD did legislate morality. Anything that wasn't right was sin I am 100% certain that if the Israelites had the technology back then to do it, God certainly would have had something to say on this issue. Murder is a serious sin that deprives someone of life. Organ donation also CAN be a type of murder ( if someone could have used your heart and you refused to give it ). Allow me to use another illustration to get my point across. If I see a child drowning in a pool, I have a RIGHT to simply walk away. There is no law that requires me to help and I would have the RIGHT to do it. I view organ donation as the same thing. To refuse to save a life ( if someone is waiting for a heart or lung) is morally WRONG and I must admit my surprise st hearing Christians defend the RIGHT to do something morally WRONG and sin. I DON'T think God would defend this "supposed" right. DO YOU? If God wouldn't, why are we, AND how does it make God feel that we would defend something he wouldn't. Taylor, equating murder with not donating your organs is really below the belt. You basically are calling anyone who doesn't plan on doing this, a murderer. It is really not that simple. Actually, you do not have a RIGHT to walk away if you see a child drowning, you have a duty of care to do what is in your ability to save the child. What we oppose is legislating something that should be a free will matter. Again, point that finger in the right direction. It is RIGHT to visit the sick, orphans, elderly etc, but you don't. When the finger is pointed at you, you have all kinds of excuses. But here you are freely pointing the finger at others. This condemnation has to stop. Organ donation is a matter of the heart from which we volunteer to do if we are so compelled. We are not obliged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,796 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 Taylor do you routinely donate blood? If not, why not? Not blood, but I do donate plasma. And I do that because it pays $25 each time I do it. As so many on this thread have stated, it is our RIGHT to refuse to do good, even though God says to refuse to do good or exercise that "right" is a sin. People on this thread may not judge those who refuse to do right, but God WILL. Plasma donation is used for things like cosmetics. That is why it pays. Donating blood is used to save lives. Given how your original post insists that folks be forced to do good, you should set the example with blood donation, not plasma donation for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,796 Content Per Day: 6.20 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 Correct! But when you legislate something, it is no longer a right but an obligation. If you want to maintain the right to not help those in need, when it comes to blood, or to your time, or your companionship etc, then to be consistent you also need to maintain the right not to give organs. Works both ways . The biblical answer of course is to give from the heart, willingly, and not under compulsion. We don't compel anyone to spend time with the lonely, we don't compel anyone to give blood, we don't (well ) compel anyone to give money to the poor, and we don't compel anyone to give their organs. Our motivation to give comes not from compulsion or legislation but because the Lord has blessed us, and because one day we will give an account. I agree with you but that doesn't solve the problem. We must have forgotten that GOD did legislate morality. Anything that wasn't right was sin I am 100% certain that if the Israelites had the technology back then to do it, God certainly would have had something to say on this issue. Murder is a serious sin that deprives someone of life. Organ donation also CAN be a type of murder ( if someone could have used your heart and you refused to give it ). Allow me to use another illustration to get my point across. If I see a child drowning in a pool, I have a RIGHT to simply walk away. There is no law that requires me to help and I would have the RIGHT to do it. I view organ donation as the same thing. To refuse to save a life ( if someone is waiting for a heart or lung) is morally WRONG and I must admit my surprise st hearing Christians defend the RIGHT to do something morally WRONG and sin. I DON'T think God would defend this "supposed" right. DO YOU? If God wouldn't, why are we, AND how does it make God feel that we would defend something he wouldn't. Then you are wrong for donating plasma instead of blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 3, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2012 This thread is closed for review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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