Guest Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I'm a-lookin' for verses that prove that the words Jesus and the Son of God existed PRIOR TO the Incarnation.... God With Us Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Father And Son I will be his father, and he shall be my son. 1 Chronicles 17:13 LORD Jesus Is He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. Psalm 89:26-27 The Only One I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalm 2:7 Savior For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. Psalm 22:16-17 Servant Surely he hath borne our griefs. and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions. he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him: and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6 Risen For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Job 19:25-27 One For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7 Be Blessed Beloved Love, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted May 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2012 Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. We are made in the Image of Christ who is God. Nothing was made that was made without Him and He was the Life of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoGrateful Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 81 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 (edited) I'm a-lookin' for verses that prove that the words Jesus and the Son of God existed PRIOR TO the Incarnation Sorry, still lookin'. Prophecies about future births, etc. etc. just don't cut it. Some forum threads should be given the warning label: CCC … which stands for: Concentrate – closely on what you are reading Comprehend – the meaning of what you are reading Consider – openly what you have just read Edited May 26, 2012 by SoGrateful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.19 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'm a-lookin' for verses that prove that the words Jesus and the Son of God existed PRIOR TO the Incarnation Sorry, still lookin'. Prophecies about future births, etc. etc. just don't cut it. Some forum threads should be given the warning label: CCC … which stands for: Concentrate – closely on what you are reading Comprehend – the meaning of what you are reading Consider – openly what you have just read Done ... but remember, that goes both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,884 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 21,861 Days Won: 77 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I think it’s time to put this topic to rest … as I see it as an unimportant technicality. I hope this last attempt will further clarify to some people what I’ve been saying. The Word (Logos) was God, and He was with Father God from the beginning … John 1:1. The Word (Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14. IMO, the Word (Logos) was the Second Person of the Trinity. Gabriel instructed: “that Holy One who is to be born” will be CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God" … Luke 1:31,35. So, from Jesus’ birth onwards … the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God The point is … Both of these NAMES: "Jesus" and "the Son of God" originated at the time of Jesus’ birth. These NAMES were never used before Jesus’ birth, i.e. no Scriptures prove that they were. But, it certainly IS Scriptural to say that Jesus, the Son of God, is in Heaven now. This is assumption based on our own possession! With God time is a communication function to us who have been born again we know this... so when in the Councils of our Lord They decided this name... could be as eternal as the Person Logos and not necessarily upon the Revelation of Himself in flesh... what ever 'IS' His pleasure so shall it be! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted May 26, 2012 The names/titles "Jesus" and "Son of God" originated at the time of the Incarnation. Actually, if you return the word "Jesus" back to Hebrew, you will discover this word being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'm a-lookin' for verses that prove that the words Jesus and the Son of God existed PRIOR TO the Incarnation Sorry, still lookin'. Prophecies about future births, etc. etc. just don't cut it. Some forum threads should be given the warning label: CCC … which stands for: Concentrate – closely on what you are reading Comprehend – the meaning of what you are reading Consider – openly what you have just read Yes "A Warning Label" He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered. Proverbs 28:26 And Do Know Dear One, Every Time You Read The Word "Salvation" In The First Testament Of Jesus (OT) You Are Reading The Name "Yeshua" Or In The Greek "Jesus" So CCC And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16:30-31 And There's Been A Lot Of That "Still Looking" Going Around Of sin, because they believe not on me; John 16:9 Since Our Grandparents First Rebelled Against The Words Of The LORD For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 ~ And To All Reading This Thread Who Do Not Know The Almighty God The LORD Jesus The Messiah (The Christ) Believe But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. Matthew 9:6 And Be Blessed For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Matthew 18:6 Be Very Very Blessed Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31 And Do Know I Wish And Pray You Will Have Complete And Utter Failure For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:15 In Your Rebellion Against God And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:5 Against The Lord Jesus Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28 The Christ Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:25 Love, Joe (In His Majesty's Service) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoGrateful Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 81 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Thinkest ye upon this, my friends ... The Word (the Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14 We all agree on the above, right? But, everyone insists that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ. Yes, Both were/are definitely "fully God". However, Jesus Christ was BOTH "fully God" AND "fully man". So, how can people say the Word (the Logos) and Jesus Christ are exactly the same? Stay thirsty, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.19 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2012 Thinkest ye upon this, my friends ... The Word (the Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14 We all agree on the above, right? But, everyone insists that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ. Yes, Both were/are definitely "fully God". However, Jesus Christ was BOTH "fully God" AND "fully man". So, how can people say the Word (the Logos) and Jesus Christ are exactly the same? Stay thirsty, my friends! You answered your own question. Why the circle games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted May 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Thinkest ye upon this, my friends ... The Word (the Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14 We all agree on the above, right? But, everyone insists that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ. Yes, Both were/are definitely "fully God". However, Jesus Christ was BOTH "fully God" AND "fully man". So, how can people say the Word (the Logos) and Jesus Christ are exactly the same? Stay thirsty, my friends! The Word became flesh and was given the name Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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