The ultimate proof of Biblical creation and God

[slowpoke55]

Does this mean that you concede that we can make decisions in our lives without consulting an "ultimate authority of everything"

God has given man freewill to choose to do right or choose to do wrong—be careful how you choose. Eternal separation from God is a long time...

There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

Now, what do you mean by "law unto yourself"?

Self-explanatory.

Good to know that you agree that people don't need to consult an "ultimate authority on everything" to make decisions in our everyday life.

As noted – God gives us freewill and the truism remains… There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

I'm asking for clarification because "law unto yourself" is too general. Please explain what you mean and put it in a context.

‘one who ignores laws or rules; one who sets one's own standards of behavior’

Oh, ok.

I sometimes break laws and in certain cases I ignore rules. Examples, I often drive faster than the speed limit but I try to do it safely and keep plenty of space around me, Also, I may not stop completely at at a stop sign. I often ignore accepted photography rules when I'm taking photos with my point and shoot camera. I like my photos under exposed. One of my favorite artists is Picasso, who broke a lot of rules but is considered a genius for it. I can also appreciate another rule breaker, the notorious Marcel Duchamp.

I set my own standards of behavior. I find most people around me (even Christians, if you can believe that) a little to soft and willing to fudge the truth too much.

[slowpoke55]

Oh, ok.

I sometimes break laws and in certain cases I ignore rules. Examples, I often drive faster than the speed limit but I try to do it safely and keep plenty of space around me, Also, I may not stop completely at at a stop sign.

Have you broken God's law? Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot broke many of God's laws and the results are well known. Being a law unto yourself does not excuse you from the penalty of breaking God’s law. That’s reality.

Wow! How did we get from traffic laws to God's laws to 3 dictators (at least one of them was a Christian)?

Is that the depth of your defense for establishing God's law - simply assert that it exists and that it's reality. If you say it enough times, does it become true? Should I simply accept such unsupported assertions? Also, please don't threaten me with an eternal life in hell simply because I'm a non-believer. Fear may work on children but it doesn't work on me. Plus it really makes your version of God appear to be a very shallow soul. I would hope other Christians here would call you out on the carpet about this.

No Partner--you just adhere to standards of behavior that were established and followed by many who came before you.

Our general standards of behavior are influenced by society but they evolve as society evolves. For example, attitudes on slavery and divorced women have changed greatly since biblical times. As individuals we operate within that general framework but are free to accept or reject these. On individual terms we set our own standards.

[slowpoke55]

What do you consider God's law. The Ten Commandments, Leviticus?

A couple of quotes from Hitler.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

And how do you establish as a fact that there is an afterlife or a hell?

[slowpoke55]

A couple of quotes from Hitler.

LOL - naive atheists always resort to silly acts of desperation. Hitler was no more a Christian than you are a Christian. Try to keep up.

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. ~ Adolf Hitler

And how do you establish as a fact that there is an afterlife or a hell?

God has told me via His word--God always tells the truth no matter how bitter--where does that leave you?

That Hitler claimed to be a Christian is a fact, That he hated Marxism was another fact.

I never claimed to be a Christian and see that as probable as getting a sex change.

So, when you say reality and fact, you don't mean a physical reality or material fact, you just mean words or concepts. That's a compelling argument for hell you have.

[slowpoke55]

Hitler claimed to be from the government and he wanted to help people--he lied.

Ah, the not a True Christian fallacy..

Have you started painting your nails?

Not yet. I see that you're already thinking about the transformation though.

I meant reality as it is--the state of things as they actually exist.

So who has been to hell and back or even heaven and back with something that we can actually hold?

[Guest HisG]

I meant reality as it is--the state of things as they actually exist.

Have you seen God for yourself?

Dumb question - you wanna know why?

you disbelieve in God and anything to do with Him. You enjoy mocking Him..

You say you were a Christian once? Like Viole was as well, now you both attack Him with fervor....

Why do you have so much hate?

[Guest HisG]

I meant reality as it is--the state of things as they actually exist.

Have you seen God for yourself?

Dumb question - you wanna know why?

you disbelieve in God and anything to do with Him. You enjoy mocking Him..

You say you were a Christian once? Like Viole was as well, now you both attack Him with fervor....

Why do you have so much hate?

I love the hypocrisy believers carry with them. Why do you judge? There's not a single reason for me to be "angry" at something I don't believe in. Would it seem rational for you to attack leprechauns?

Would you be discussing leprechauns with me if I believed in them?

[Guest HisG]

John 14 v 8-9:

Philip said to Him (Jesus), "Lord, show us the Father (God), and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, " have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father?"

What say you to this Fallen?

[Guest HisG]

Would you be discussing leprechauns with me if I believed in them?

If the world believed in the trivial concept of leprechauns like they do God, then yes, probably.

I know people who believe in unicorns and fairies...but I don't bother with it because I don't believe in them...

Why discuss "trivial concepts" in the first place Fallen? Are you trying to show me the light?

[Guest HisG]

It's good that you are here talking with Christians...have you ever been back to the church you once belonged to and spoke with them about your concerns with Christianity Fallen.