enoob57 Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,353 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,544 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Whether or not you accept it is between you and God. It doesn't matter to me. Actually, if it did not matter to you, you would not continue on defending yourself. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOuch lol, are we in elementary school? It is hard to tell from posts like this. I know this one has been banned but I thought of expressing the joy that in my heart it is not an insult to seem small and of no regard to the elevated and mature ... it really is a perfect freedom to be of the accepted in God and the matter ends there... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allofgrace Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 158 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/30/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 23, 2012 Rev 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. This passage here tells us that the first resurrection of the bodies of the saints is after the tribulation and going into the 1000 years reign of Christ on earth. Paul explains the resurrection of the bodies of the saints in 1 Cor 15:42-49 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. And that was Paul's hope and joy to attain like resurrection with the Lord, Phil 3:10-11 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Paul told Timothy about two that were proclaiming that the resurrection had already past, and its important to note that there is only one resurrection of the saints ever mentioned and that is the resurrection of the bodies of the saints to be transformed into the new incorruptible and immortal one like the Lord's body. 2 Tim 2:17-19 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” The resurrection is mentioned here in Hebrews as an elementary principle, one that has clearly been defined and is necessary for babes in the faith, Heb 6:1-3 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. And this is the hope of all believers in Christ, we are looking forward to this experience, 1 Pet 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. These are the passages and verses that speak of the(definitive article the only one) resurrection of the bodies of the saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,353 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,544 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 23, 2012 click on picture to enlarge and then click on surroundings to return.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderJ Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1993 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Ambassador Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 295 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 60 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1932 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Rev 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. This passage here tells us that the first resurrection of the bodies of the saints is after the tribulation and going into the 1000 years reign of Christ on earth. Paul explains the resurrection of the bodies of the saints in 1 Cor 15:42-49 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. And that was Paul's hope and joy to attain like resurrection with the Lord, Phil 3:10-11 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Paul told Timothy about two that were proclaiming that the resurrection had already past, and its important to note that there is only one resurrection of the saints ever mentioned and that is the resurrection of the bodies of the saints to be transformed into the new incorruptible and immortal one like the Lord's body. 2 Tim 2:17-19 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” The resurrection is mentioned here in Hebrews as an elementary principle, one that has clearly been defined and is necessary for babes in the faith, Heb 6:1-3 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. And this is the hope of all believers in Christ, we are looking forward to this experience, 1 Pet 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. These are the passages and verses that speak of the(definitive article the only one) resurrection of the bodies of the saints. Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldShep Posted November 23, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 6 Joined: 07/20/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/12/1950 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I have provided the same Scriptural support the members of the rapture cult have provided - none. Because the order of events and time for the "rapture" is not found in Scripture. The "where" of "The dead in Christ will rise....." is not found in Scripture. Many have posted here as if I personally attacked their entire belief system. All I have done is share what God has shown me about where the resurrection of the dead took place. If that shakes your entire belief system then you'd better re-check what you believe. If one does not agree with your views, are they really a member of a cult? I do not feel like you attacked my belief, for man has no power over that which Jesus has promised to me. God has shown me things to, some were meant to be told to others and a few were meant to raise my Faith and Trust in Him. Your heart told you what would happen, yet, you insult people with the above statement of being a member of a cult, because they did. Who is behind this division...? Why do men, who have a different view from his neighbour, cry out such words...is it not to get their own way? ....Subject is now closed on my end...May the peace of the Lord be with you all the days of your life. ICL~~~Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allofgrace Posted November 24, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 158 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/30/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 24, 2012 Rev 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. This passage here tells us that the first resurrection of the bodies of the saints is after the tribulation and going into the 1000 years reign of Christ on earth. Paul explains the resurrection of the bodies of the saints in 1 Cor 15:42-49 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. And that was Paul's hope and joy to attain like resurrection with the Lord, Phil 3:10-11 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Paul told Timothy about two that were proclaiming that the resurrection had already past, and its important to note that there is only one resurrection of the saints ever mentioned and that is the resurrection of the bodies of the saints to be transformed into the new incorruptible and immortal one like the Lord's body. 2 Tim 2:17-19 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” The resurrection is mentioned here in Hebrews as an elementary principle, one that has clearly been defined and is necessary for babes in the faith, Heb 6:1-3 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. And this is the hope of all believers in Christ, we are looking forward to this experience, 1 Pet 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. These are the passages and verses that speak of the(definitive article the only one) resurrection of the bodies of the saints. Your point? Your original statement included this: The resurrection of the dead (usually called the "first resurrection") has already occurred in the spiritual realm. The point is that this statement is not scriptural. The first resurrection is not in the spiritual realm as you stated and furthermore I have never read in scripture of a spiritual resurrection. Where is it mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderJ Posted November 24, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1993 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 I have never read in scripture of a spiritual resurrection. Good point. Spirits are immortal - why on earth would they need to be ressurected? It is the body that must be ressurected and glorified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 24, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 24, 2012 Nothing I've said contradicts Scripture only what your teachers have added to it. I have been a Believer since 1949 and have developed a deeper relationship with God then I ever thought possible. Don't suppose to be more Spiritually mature than me. When you say "Nothing I've said contradicts Scripture only what your teachers have added to it" you say it without having provided the Scriptural support that you claim that your "revelation" has. I will present my view and support it with Scripture, and it is my hope that you will do likewise. Every believer has died with Christ and has been raised up with him to walk in newness of life. This process of resurrection is not instantaneous and is called Sanctification - the process by which we are made (while still on this earth) more and more like unto Christ: Romans 6:3-11 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life... Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: This process will not be completed while we are yet on this earth because of the sin principle in us: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Romans 7:23 After we die, however, the sin principle will be destroyed, and we will be raised with incorruptible bodies at the final resurrection: 1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. However, before this corporeal resurrection, I would suggest that the spirits of the believers await this ultimate resurrection in Paradise. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:43 Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. I have provided the same Scriptural support the members of the rapture cult have provided - none. Because the order of events and time for the "rapture" is not found in Scripture. The "where" of "The dead in Christ will rise....." is not found in Scripture. Many have posted here as if I personally attacked their entire belief system. All I have done is share what God has shown me about where the resurrection of the dead took place. If that shakes your entire belief system then you'd better re-check what you believe. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. Perhaps you should look at more then just your bible, into the Greek also. It is there and if your version of the bible excludes it, what good is your version if it excludes His words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 24, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 24, 2012 Keep in mind that this is a discussion forum, not an information board where people come in to post their revelations and refuse to discuss what they post. Usually, people have their own site to post their revelations that disallow others to comment. Please consider this when posting. In ages past when God spoke to people and they shared it they were not told to "prove" what they were saying. If you'll notice I have carried on a discussion. I think your problem (and the problem of many Christians) is that what I've shared is different from what you have been taught. Frankly, you can't "prove" what you've been taught. All you can do is say "this is what X number of Biblical teacher have said it means." I'm not disallowing anyone to comment. I just haven't been called to prove it or argue about it. You are very presumptuous. You assume that I have been reading your posts. I have not. I did, however, through scanning the threads, came across where you refused to explain what you mean or back it with scripture. This is what I speak to. Again, this is a discussion forum where people discuss thoughts and ideas. I do not need to explain what I mean. It's right there in plain English. It can be backed with the same Scripture the rapture cult uses for their rapture theory. Why come to a discussion forum when you don't want to discuss? Are you here to reveal your mysteries to us and then leave us hanging? Is this the brotherly love Jesus taught you? Are you kidding? I have discussed. If you're "hanging" talk to God about it. Don't you hear from Him? God I have complete confidence in. Your claims to have special revelations is what I am having trouble with. Check the underlined words in bold above. Yes, I talk with God and He has not mentioned you at all ... Talk to Him about what He has revealed to me not about ME. I am not important. I am just a poor sinner saved by grace and His humble servant. I have been talking to him for many years. Yet, the point is, when I come forth with something He has pointed out, I include an explanation to what He has shown me, and this is what I was suggesting you do. Why do you find it so hard to share what you believe about you revelations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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