Texas; "Secession Fever", Bumper-Stickers Everywhere

[Matthitjah]

This isn't the first time Texas has proposed such a measure.

Though I think it's rather naive and simply reactionary politics making a threat much like the child in the sandbox who promises to take his toys home if others don't play nice.

What would be required for a State or a collection of States to secede successfully is beyond the promise stickers propose.

The northern part of South Carolina has a group that's promised to secede for almost a decade now if not longer. (Project Exodus) And thus far all it's profited is talk, angst and donations for the cause.

The thing about Obama is people are upset he got a second term. However, Romney during the campaign didn't prove he'd be a better man for the job. He presented himself as a self-admitted liar. His chief adviser on the campaign admitted he was a liar during the first debate when Romney claimed preexisting conditions would be covered under his 'superior' national health care plan that would replace Obama's if he was elected into office.

What people seemed to miss about his promise in that regard was that a Republican was promising he would be responsible for pushing forth a socialist health care plan to replace the socialist national health care plan that was already in the works. But was seemingly untenable because it was a dread Democrats national socialist health care plan.

Meanwhile Romeny's socialist health care plan was signed into law when he was Governor of Massachusetts in 2006. And it puts a tax burden on that State's citizens that exceeds what Obama's national coverage proposes. And has for six years in the practice.

I think we have to stop carving out this nation by dividing ourselves as a people and holding more loyalty to party and partisan politics than we do to for our collective future.

The politicians, as Romeny clearly demonstrated, are self-serving and will say anything in order to garner the trust of the American voter when and where they need it. Otherwise they act in the best interest of whomever pays them to do the job we trusted them to do on behalf of the 99% of us who don't have the kind of money to buy influence.

Instead of cheering States leaving the union and fracturing this nation due to bad politics, we should unite to change the bad politicians so we can return this country to the promise it was founded upon. The government works for us. Not as now when we work for the government. And that is a condition that is the responsibility of both parties. Particularly the Republican when Bush43 took office after running as a Republican and once in the office acted like a ultra-left wing Democrat until the day he left it 8 years later.

WE the people of the UNITED States of America.... 99% has a right to have a say. We don't cut and run because 1% acts like it's their country and we just work here.

Amen?

I do think Texas is large enough to actually survive on it's own, and that this threat is real. I also believe many states would follow them. Many of us would be willing to relocate to Texas to get our freedom back. That being said, I am proposing a Constitutional Amendment as an alternative.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DECLARE ANY LEGISLATION PASSED AT THE STATE LEVEL UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO TELL ANY STATE WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO WITH LAND OR RESOURCES WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THAT STATE. THE POWERS OF THE STATE ARE SUPERIOR TO THOSE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THE STAtES MAY REJECT ANY LAWS PASSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND MAY REJECT ANY EXECUTIVE ORDERS. THE STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEIR OWN BORDERS, AND MAY REJECT ANY TREATY PASSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION ONLY APPLY TO LIMITATIONS ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO LIMIT THE STATES FROM PASSING ANY LEGISLATION THEY WISH. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO FORCE ANY CITIZEN TO ENGAGE IN COMMERCE OR FACE A PENALTY OR TAX FOR FAILING TO DO SO.

This would have the same effect as creating 50 states, but it would still be one nation. The federal government would just lose most of it's control over the actions of the state. In addition to that, with all that power gone to lord over the states, most of the government agencies would cease to have any value, and with them dismantled, it will immediately allow the government to balance the budget, and even start paying down the debt. They spend a great deal of resources on enforcing regulations on the states.

I will go along with secession, if states like Texas decide to pull out, but I do think this alternative plan will work, and could catch on.

Not sure why we need that when it is already evident in the document that the Federal Government has limited powers after the States.

Because activist judges find ways around the 10Th Amendment. This would make things so clear, they couldn't get around it.

I understand that but what makes you think that they will just not ignore this like they have the other. I don't think Obama and the boys have any desire whatsoever to follow the Constitution. They've been violating it from day one and no one has stopped them yet.

[sheya joie]

I've been seeing SECEDE Texas flag bumper stickers down here for years. It's not exactly a new thing.

[LOVE SONGS]

I really don't think that any of the states will secede.

But, I don't like what Obama did last week. He visited Myanmar and said that he would give them $ 170 million in aid. That is using our tax dollars .

This is bazaar !

We need jobs and our money to stay in the U.S.

How so ...when our economy is in a crisis.

He wants to put more taxing on us ?

NOTE : My wrong I had put that Obama visited China.. but it was Myanmar.

Thank you RunningGator for noticing my mistake.

[MorningGlory]

I really don't think that any of the states will secede.

But, I don't like what Obama did last week. He visited China and said that he would give them $ 170 million in aid. That is using our tax dollars .

This is bazaar !

We need jobs and our money to stay in the U.S.

How so ...when our economy is in a crisis.

He wants to put more taxing on us ?

BTW.. everything is made in China. China can take care of its own nation.

Obama went to Myanmar (or Burma if you wish) he did not go to China.

Gonna get a headache doing that......

[MorningGlory]

I've been seeing SECEDE Texas flag bumper stickers down here for years. It's not exactly a new thing.

I've seen them occasionally too, S.J., but none lately. I was all up and down I-45 this week and never saw even one.

[JustinM]

If the states are serious about secession, then they should begin by first financially seceeding from the Union, by rejecting all federal funding, and put their money where their mouth is.

[JustinM]

I really don't think that any of the states will secede.

But, I don't like what Obama did last week. He visited China and said that he would give them $ 170 million in aid. That is using our tax dollars .

This is bazaar !

We need jobs and our money to stay in the U.S.

How so ...when our economy is in a crisis.

He wants to put more taxing on us ?

BTW.. everything is made in China. China can take care of its own nation.

Obama went to Myanmar (or Burma if you wish) he did not go to China.

No need to be rude RG.

[JustinM]

Ok, thanks. This is a public forum, sometimes people may get things wrong, if they are unintentionally wrong, they should be corrected in love. But, if people are being intentionally dishonest, that should be addressed too. But, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the former.

Still, I wonder if that would be possible to turn down all federal funding, exude sovereignty in the most peaceful way possible. Once the states are no longer dependent on the federal government for money, then they have more credibility and can assert with authority their independence.

[Guest]

Ok, thanks. This is a public forum, sometimes people may get things wrong, if they are unintentionally wrong, they should be corrected in love. But, if people are being intentionally dishonest, that should be addressed too. But, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the former.

Still, I wonder if that would be possible to turn down all federal funding, exude sovereignty in the most peaceful way possible. Once the states are no longer dependent on the federal government for money, then they have more credibility and can assert with authority their independence.

I think you have a great point, but I see one problem. Greece has shown us of late what happens when that government hand out gets shut off, and that could happen if a state turned down all federal funding. It would virtually shut down food stamp and welfare checks, etc. I'm not certain how exactly all that is funded, but much of the money for it comes from the Feds where I live. That alone would make secession more difficult, I think. Not impossible -- just harder. The Feds have been very successful in weaving their threads of dependence over the years until now they are like cables.

I think if two or more states stood up and said "no more" it would send a powerful message though.

[JustinM]

Yeah, the drug pushers definitely have the states hooked, it will take tremendous discipline and intervention on an unprecedented scale to kick the habit. Going cold turkey would definitely cause an uproar, but something has to be done.