LOVE SONGS Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2012 http://now.msn.com/t...-2012-petitions Texans going wild with 'secession fever,' bumper stickers everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVE SONGS Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 I hope Louisiana is next . If they don't I will be moving also. I see no hope with the economy the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted November 25, 2012 are you guys going to exile the 3 and 1/2 million folks that voted for Obama in Texas? I would imagine after the Obama freebies ended, they'd move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted November 25, 2012 how will you replace the jobs for the 300,000 federal employees in Texas? After all the crushing federal taxes and regulations are ended, they'll be plenty of new businesses for those people to work for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,924 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted November 25, 2012 While I don't see anything coming from a secessionist movement in Texas or any other state (sorry, but the FEDGOV has most of the things like tanks and nukes and things that go boom); I do think all this talk reveals an undercurrent that could prove - shall we say - interesting - in the next year or so. The term is dis-enfranchisment. I've experienced it here for years - living as I do in the "People's Republik of NY". Now - for the first time in my adult life - I'm feeling it on the national level, as well. If the feeling I have is widespread, what might it mean? In my own case, nothing. But what about others? How do people respond when they perceive the government is out of control - and elections just make things worse, not better? How to people respond when they are taxed to the hilt to pay for more and more "freeloaders"? And the only response is - you don't pay your "fair share"? How do people respond to what they might perceive as hopelessness? Perhaps we shall find out - coming to a country near you, real soon. Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,924 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted November 25, 2012 While I don't see anything coming from a secessionist movement in Texas or any other state (sorry, but the FEDGOV has most of the things like tanks and nukes and things that go boom); I do think all this talk reveals an undercurrent that could prove - shall we say - interesting - in the next year or so. The term is dis-enfranchisment. I've experienced it here for years - living as I do in the "People's Republik of NY". Now - for the first time in my adult life - I'm feeling it on the national level, as well. If the feeling I have is widespread, what might it mean? In my own case, nothing. But what about others? How do people respond when they perceive the government is out of control - and elections just make things worse, not better? How to people respond when they are taxed to the hilt to pay for more and more "freeloaders"? And the only response is - you don't pay your "fair share"? How do people respond to what they might perceive as hopelessness? Perhaps we shall find out - coming to a country near you, real soon. Blessings! -Ed are we really taxed that much? I read a study not long ago that said our % of income going to taxes is at it lowest since the 1950's. (this includes state and local taxes which have risen faster than Fed taxes) Hmmm . . . of all the provocative statements in that post, you chose that one to comment on? Oh well. Short answer - YES! Considering all the waste and fraud on the spending side - YES! (I wish I could be more emphatic, but I'd have to resort to my former sailor language) Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2012 This isn't the first time Texas has proposed such a measure. Though I think it's rather naive and simply reactionary politics making a threat much like the child in the sandbox who promises to take his toys home if others don't play nice. What would be required for a State or a collection of States to secede successfully is beyond the promise stickers propose. The northern part of South Carolina has a group that's promised to secede for almost a decade now if not longer. (Project Exodus) And thus far all it's profited is talk, angst and donations for the cause. The thing about Obama is people are upset he got a second term. However, Romney during the campaign didn't prove he'd be a better man for the job. He presented himself as a self-admitted liar. His chief adviser on the campaign admitted he was a liar during the first debate when Romney claimed preexisting conditions would be covered under his 'superior' national health care plan that would replace Obama's if he was elected into office. What people seemed to miss about his promise in that regard was that a Republican was promising he would be responsible for pushing forth a socialist health care plan to replace the socialist national health care plan that was already in the works. But was seemingly untenable because it was a dread Democrats national socialist health care plan. Meanwhile Romeny's socialist health care plan was signed into law when he was Governor of Massachusetts in 2006. And it puts a tax burden on that State's citizens that exceeds what Obama's national coverage proposes. And has for six years in the practice. I think we have to stop carving out this nation by dividing ourselves as a people and holding more loyalty to party and partisan politics than we do to for our collective future. The politicians, as Romeny clearly demonstrated, are self-serving and will say anything in order to garner the trust of the American voter when and where they need it. Otherwise they act in the best interest of whomever pays them to do the job we trusted them to do on behalf of the 99% of us who don't have the kind of money to buy influence. Instead of cheering States leaving the union and fracturing this nation due to bad politics, we should unite to change the bad politicians so we can return this country to the promise it was founded upon. The government works for us. Not as now when we work for the government. And that is a condition that is the responsibility of both parties. Particularly the Republican when Bush43 took office after running as a Republican and once in the office acted like a ultra-left wing Democrat until the day he left it 8 years later. WE the people of the UNITED States of America.... 99% has a right to have a say. We don't cut and run because 1% acts like it's their country and we just work here. Amen? I do think Texas is large enough to actually survive on it's own, and that this threat is real. I also believe many states would follow them. Many of us would be willing to relocate to Texas to get our freedom back. That being said, I am proposing a Constitutional Amendment as an alternative. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DECLARE ANY LEGISLATION PASSED AT THE STATE LEVEL UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO TELL ANY STATE WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO WITH LAND OR RESOURCES WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THAT STATE. THE POWERS OF THE STATE ARE SUPERIOR TO THOSE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THE STAtES MAY REJECT ANY LAWS PASSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND MAY REJECT ANY EXECUTIVE ORDERS. THE STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEIR OWN BORDERS, AND MAY REJECT ANY TREATY PASSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION ONLY APPLY TO LIMITATIONS ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO LIMIT THE STATES FROM PASSING ANY LEGISLATION THEY WISH. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO FORCE ANY CITIZEN TO ENGAGE IN COMMERCE OR FACE A PENALTY OR TAX FOR FAILING TO DO SO. This would have the same effect as creating 50 states, but it would still be one nation. The federal government would just lose most of it's control over the actions of the state. In addition to that, with all that power gone to lord over the states, most of the government agencies would cease to have any value, and with them dismantled, it will immediately allow the government to balance the budget, and even start paying down the debt. They spend a great deal of resources on enforcing regulations on the states. I will go along with secession, if states like Texas decide to pull out, but I do think this alternative plan will work, and could catch on. Not sure why we need that when it is already evident in the document that the Federal Government has limited powers after the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Found amongst the list of the works of the flesh which are manifest is sedition. One must be careful to properly understand and interpret the laws of the land as understood by God. If they do not do so, they might find themselves fighting for a cause that actually goes against God and all such causes are futile as God will not support them. If God be for us, nobody can be against us for sure but if God is not on our side then, as Zedekiah found out, it will be painful and we will not succeed. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2012 I quite like this improbable fantasy of the USA following in the footsteps of the USSR. Presumably in this scenario Texas would become the Western hemispheres answer to Khazkstan; florida the New ukraine, Louisiana the Cajun Azerbijan. Presumably the former Soviet Georgia would have to have a war with the former US Georgia over which had the right to use the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 25, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2012 how would this be different than what happened in 1776 and why should the US response be any different than that of England? This is a strange question to ask when you had already asked if we are being taxed too much. Our rebellion against England was based on them ruling us, where one way to extract money from us was through taxes. Consider the Boston Tea Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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