Tinky Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What is the 'sin that leads to death' in 1 John 5:16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Shalhevet~ Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 334 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 2,049 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 120 Days Won: 4 Joined: 08/13/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2012 All sins lead to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 What is the 'sin that leads to death' in 1 John 5:16? He does not have “kinds of sinning” in mind. Rather, it is degrees of habituality and stubborn persistence. It refers to the person who has become so irrtreivably wicked. that the “Esau” factor comes in from Hebrews 12: 16-17 where Esau sinned against God’s benefits so relentlessly that finally God said, “It’s over.” The sin that leads to death is stubborn, continued unrepentance that eventually crosses the line where God no longer strives with a person. They have crossed that line where God is done calling them, done dealing with them. As it is written, "Remember your creator in the days of your youth," because if you pursue sin, you may think you are going to repent one day, but you will discover that you are unable to repent. For many, they will be just like Esau who sought repentance with tears, the Bible says, but couldn’t find it. It is a frightening thing to think that one could have lived their whole life thinking that after sowing their wild oats that he or she will then seek repentance in the end, but find themselves powerless to repent because there is sin unto death and you don’t know when you crossed that line wherein God is done with you and He isn’t going to reel you in again. Beware because if one puts off repentance and keep putting off repentance he or she will become so in love with their sin, he or she won't be able to repent. Remember Jesus' trial? He spoke to the High Priest, He spoke to Pilate; but He did not speak to Herod. That should tell us something about Herod. If you get to the point that God will not speak to you, you have crossed the line and are irretrievably wicked. Herod is a good example of someone I think had crossed over into the sin that leads to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 What is the 'sin that leads to death' in 1 John 5:16? He does not have “kinds of sinning” in mind. Rather, it is degrees of rootedness, and degrees of habituality and degrees of persistence. So that the “Esau” factor comes in from Hebrews 12: 16-17 where Esau sinned against God’s benefits so relentlessly that finally God said, “It’s over.” The sin that leads to death is stubborn, continued unrepentance that eventually crosses the line where God no longer strives with a person. They have crossed that line where God is done calling them, done dealing with them. As it is written, "Remember your creator in the days of your youth," because if you pursue sin, you may think you are going to repent one day, but you will discover that you are unable to repent. For many, they will be just like Esau who sought repentance with tears, the Bible says, but couldn’t find it. It is a frightening thing to think that one could have lived their whole life thinking that after sowing their wild oats that he or she will then seek repentance in the end, but find themselves powerless to repent because there is sin unto death and you don’t know when you crossed that line wherein God is done with you and He isn’t going to reel you in again. Beware because if one puts off repentance and keep putting off repentance he or she will become so in love with their sin, he or she won't be able to repent. Remember Jesus' trial? He spoke to the High Priest, He spoke to Pilate; but He did not speak to Herod. That should tell us something about Herod. If you get to the point that God will not speak to you, you have crossed the line and are irretrievably wicked. Herod is a good example of someone I think had crossed over into the sin that leads to death. I swear, you never cease to amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) 1 John 5:16-17 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. i agree that the type of sin is mostly irrelevant to the thrust of these passages, as we can see in the following verse 17. the wages of sin is death.. sin is sin.. let us not worry the reasons why a brother/sister is sinning, simply pray and give it to God. He was already handling it anyway.. there are times to rebuke and correct, and other times to get on our knees and plead that God engage them. on the other hand, a sin unto death is committed by the sinner who loves sin..to their death, physically and/or spiritually. to love unrighteousness, is to rebel against everything righteousness stands for.. it is hatred towards a Holy God. repeated, motivated sin while knowing it is wrong within our hearts, will continually harden the heart to the point that sin becomes our master.. i believe a fellow Christian can "backslide" into massive chains of bondage if willfully done so. can God forgive a sinner such as this? yes of course, but the unrighteous cannot be saved. a sinner without guilt is a sinner who cannot repent. regardless the Holy Spirit intercedes for us in all our prayers.. ultimately we are all sinners until the day we are glorified with Him, so we will continue to sin until that day. and so we can infer here that although we continue to struggle with sin, we do not necessarily lose our inheritance in the Kingdom to come.. love to you, and God bless. Edited December 11, 2012 by BlessedByTheBest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ...It refers to the person who has become so irrtreivably wicked. that the “Esau” factor comes in from Hebrews 12: 16-17 where Esau sinned against God’s benefits so relentlessly that finally God said, “It’s over.” The sin that leads to death is stubborn, continued unrepentance that eventually crosses the line where God no longer strives with a person. They have crossed that line where God is done calling them, done dealing with them.... Interesting perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ninhao Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I have heard the sin unto death likened to apostasy as per Hebrews 6. Heb 6:4-6 NIV It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, (5) who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age (6) and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 My first thought was this: "The sin that leads to death?" Rejecting Christ in life and dying in that lost state. Some interesting thoughts posted here, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I have heard the sin unto death likened to apostasy as per Hebrews 6. Heb 6:4-6 NIV It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, (5) who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age (6) and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. That passage is not talking about apostasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ninhao Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I have heard the sin unto death likened to apostasy as per Hebrews 6. Heb 6:4-6 NIV It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, (5) who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age (6) and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. That passage is not talking about apostasy. Ah OSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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